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pandr32

(11,848 posts)
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 11:22 PM Feb 2024

Navalny gave himself up to be killed.

To all the Christians here on DU and everywhere,

A man who was persecuted saw the bigger picture and gave himself over to his tormentors. He suffered and died, but believed his suffering and death would help deliver resolve to his followers/countrymen. It wasn't a protest because his audience was taken from him. The few words he was able to deliver were of hope for the future and resignation to the forces he hoped to unmask for all to see.

Navalny had much support around the world and from many within his own country. He had a loving family and had already suffered an assassination attempt because of the threat he posed. Instead of leaning on his relative celebrity for a brighter future for himself, he willingly submitted to injustice and mistreatment.

He did it to prove a point: that no matter how strong 'the devil'--our humanity can not be taken away. He urged others to believe in the cause of democracy, humanity, and equality; to believe in their own power, and the promise of a better tomorrow for future generations.

I don't believe in God or that Jesus was meant to deliver salvation. I do believe that a very real man, a human being with great understanding, allowed himself to suffer so that others could see the truth: a maniacal tyrant, with no saturation point for satisfaction, was and is still a threat to all of us, and that we had better do what we must to shut him down.
Our future depends on it.

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Navalny gave himself up to be killed. (Original Post) pandr32 Feb 2024 OP
;-( elleng Feb 2024 #1
He presented a calm strength. pandr32 Feb 2024 #16
What you've said here has, to me, the ring of truth. But I cannot be sure. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2024 #2
Navalny said, '"'My message in case I am killed: do not give up': Alexey Navalny predicted his own demise*" tblue37 Feb 2024 #4
He was going to be murdered whether he went back to Russia or stayed in the West generalbetrayus Feb 2024 #7
My source is Navalny. pandr32 Feb 2024 #17
Thanks for responding! I wasn't aware of these details, but now I am. Thank you so much! nt CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2024 #18
You are welcome. pandr32 Feb 2024 #21
Definitely in the Bad Ass top 10 underpants Feb 2024 #3
I remember reading that the monks that self immolated during the VietNam war were very instrumental Maraya1969 Feb 2024 #5
I was active with Clergy and Laity at the time, protesting the Vietnam War. The monk immolating himself was a CTyankee Feb 2024 #15
Just watched to CNN special about him and I'm heartsick but inspired by the determination he had for his country Deuxcents Feb 2024 #6
I watched as well. sheshe2 Feb 2024 #9
"it can happen here" speak easy Feb 2024 #10
Yes. I know. sheshe2 Feb 2024 #11
:( speak easy Feb 2024 #12
Watching it made me cry. sheshe2 Feb 2024 #13
Such an amazing person even to Obama oldmanlynn Feb 2024 #8
We must do as Navalny told us. pandr32 Feb 2024 #19
I had seen the CNN documentary before but watched it again tonight GoodRaisin Feb 2024 #14
We must honor his memory. pandr32 Feb 2024 #20

pandr32

(11,848 posts)
16. He presented a calm strength.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 12:51 PM
Feb 2024

The last few years left him very thin, but he still stood tall and always spoke of himself in a positive way, like "I'm happy" or "I'm well" and always thanked others for their interest. He expressed love and hope. At death he was 47 yo, and even though bony thin was still a very handsome man.

Not once did he whine.

CaliforniaPeggy

(150,739 posts)
2. What you've said here has, to me, the ring of truth. But I cannot be sure.
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 11:27 PM
Feb 2024

I will ask you, where does your confidence in your post come from?

Did you read something that Navalny had written? Or was your impetus your own gut feeling?

I do hope that you're right.

tblue37

(65,833 posts)
4. Navalny said, '"'My message in case I am killed: do not give up': Alexey Navalny predicted his own demise*"
Sat Feb 17, 2024, 11:55 PM
Feb 2024
https://globalvoices.org/2024/02/16/my-message-in-case-if-i-am-killed-do-not-give-up-alexey-navalny-predicted-his-own-demise/

He knew they would imprison him & kill him. They'd already tried to kill him with poison.

generalbetrayus

(528 posts)
7. He was going to be murdered whether he went back to Russia or stayed in the West
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 01:16 AM
Feb 2024

unless he was put in witness protection, and it is doubtful he could have been protected for long with Putin's thugs on the prowl.

pandr32

(11,848 posts)
17. My source is Navalny.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 01:06 PM
Feb 2024

His final message was broadcast after his death. Every other interview he gave spoke the same language of hope, resolve, and truth to power. His family and spokespeople all shared that his pursuit was not for himself, but for others. He urged everyone to never give up and that together we have power to overcome the present situation.
Putin feared him.

pandr32

(11,848 posts)
21. You are welcome.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 01:35 PM
Feb 2024

Now we have work to do to stand up to Putin and all his assets (emphasis on the ass part of the word), of which we have many working to help Putin.
We need to fund Ukraine. Vote the rest of the asses out.

Maraya1969

(22,826 posts)
5. I remember reading that the monks that self immolated during the VietNam war were very instrumental
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 12:08 AM
Feb 2024

in bringing an end to the war. I am not positive and I could be wrong but I know that is why they did it.

CTyankee

(64,190 posts)
15. I was active with Clergy and Laity at the time, protesting the Vietnam War. The monk immolating himself was a
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 05:03 AM
Feb 2024

memorable sacrificial moment, no doubt. But at the time I didn't sense that it was critical to ending the war. I don't think we'll ever know. It was part of a much bigger movement...

Deuxcents

(17,482 posts)
6. Just watched to CNN special about him and I'm heartsick but inspired by the determination he had for his country
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 12:08 AM
Feb 2024

For their dreams of democracy. The people in this country who are supporting Putin and deliberately working for our demise need to be called out and voted out. There are people around the world giving up their lives for what we have.we cannot take it for granted that it’ll all work out for the best..we have to make sure it does. RIP brave Alexei Navalny 🌺

sheshe2

(85,158 posts)
9. I watched as well.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 02:22 AM
Feb 2024

I agree with everything you said. What a beautiful brave man. His wife, kids and team worked tirelessly by his side. He was for everything we believe in for our countries. He was murdered, yes murdered by Putin and it can happen here.

speak easy

(9,531 posts)
10. "it can happen here"
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 02:40 AM
Feb 2024

It WILL happen here as soon as MAGA can get away with it, and perhaps before then.

sheshe2

(85,158 posts)
13. Watching it made me cry.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 02:50 AM
Feb 2024

For all the good things we have to offer. We have those that want to take that away. No words.

oldmanlynn

(199 posts)
8. Such an amazing person even to Obama
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 02:04 AM
Feb 2024

Last edited Sun Feb 18, 2024, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

He gave his life for democracy

The least we can do is stand up VOTE and let our voices be heard

pandr32

(11,848 posts)
19. We must do as Navalny told us.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 01:21 PM
Feb 2024

We have more power than we realize, so let us use it. We will stand up to the fake Christian hypocrites, to fascists and bigots, to the corporations who prey on us all to enrich themselves, to dictators who strip away our rights, to propaganda and those who spread it, to those who sell-out our values and democracy, and to those who take everything for granted.
Big Blue Wave.
We will show up!

GoodRaisin

(9,137 posts)
14. I had seen the CNN documentary before but watched it again tonight
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 04:36 AM
Feb 2024

and it was much sadder watching it this time, knowing that Putin had finally murdered him.

I hope it will serve as a lesson as what can happen here if Trump gets back in the White House.

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