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genxlib

(5,570 posts)
Tue May 7, 2024, 05:03 PM May 7

Missing the Point on Stormy

Amidst all of the lurid details and hopefulness that TFG will get his due, I fear that people are missing the significant underlying point.

Yes, he is a scumbag. We know that.

Yes, he manipulated the system to try and buy silence to effect an election. We know that.

But the underlying problem here is far more fundamental than that.

He had something to hide. Something that was worth a lot to hide. People with secrets are compromised and can be extorted .

She could have asked him for anything...state secrets, pardons, a high ranking position, green cards. She had him by the ballsack and could have demanded things a lot more damaging than money.

People who have secrets are dangerous because they will do unethical things to keep them a secret.

To be honest, I was pissed at Bill Clinton for this too. I didn't care that he was getting blown in the Oval Office. I cared that he was compromising himself in ways that made him vulnerable to extortion.

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Missing the Point on Stormy (Original Post) genxlib May 7 OP
Having gone through the clearance process myself, I know. And agree. unblock May 7 #1
And trump never had to go through the clearance process. This makes no sense to me. erronis May 7 #13
Unfortunately, from a constitutional perspective, it makes no sense. unblock May 7 #23
I even got contacted and gave Tree Lady May 7 #15
Agreed. As Peter Strzok said, he is compromised. nt Ilsa May 7 #2
She took the money because she was afraid they would kill her BWdem4life May 7 #3
Try again. H2O Man May 7 #8
It's what I read. BWdem4life May 8 #25
Politically more damaging: Calling a woman "horseface" Frasier Balzov May 7 #4
he called her that today???? johnnyfins May 7 #20
No, I guess not. Frasier Balzov May 7 #24
Post removed Post removed May 7 #5
Post removed Post removed May 7 #6
Russian intelligence service . . . AverageOldGuy May 7 #7
Truth is DENVERPOPS May 7 #9
Echo this. Perhaps someday we will learn a bit about putin's grasp on the venal US politicians. erronis May 7 #14
Epstein probably did that to all sorts of people IronLionZion May 7 #10
Yesterday I read Nauta had TSDs on his phone Captain Zero May 8 #29
Agree emphatically. 58Sunliner May 7 #11
I love Bill, but he kinda thinks with the johnnyfins May 7 #21
"She could have asked him for anything.". .Did she, in fact, initiate niyad May 7 #12
What I Heard Was that Karen McDougal Was Really in Love with Donnie... panfluteman May 7 #16
Agreed. Though this is actually a well documented concern with Trump. Caliman73 May 7 #17
K&R spanone May 7 #18
well the main point for me is: what type of SICK FUCK proceeds to have sex ecstatic May 7 #19
someone who is only in it johnnyfins May 7 #22
Rape isn't about sex - it's about power/control. nt TBF May 8 #30
the general dishonesty. elleng May 8 #26
Unfortunately the jury can't convict Trump for being dangerous... Silent3 May 8 #27
Right, but 'the particulars of the case' are significant enough to cross the line to elleng May 8 #28

unblock

(53,106 posts)
1. Having gone through the clearance process myself, I know. And agree.
Tue May 7, 2024, 05:11 PM
May 7

This is *exactly* the kind of red flag they look for in deciding who can be trusted with classified information and who can't. Donnie cares intensely about his image *and* constantly puts himself in situations that would damage his image if they were made public.

This makes him easily manipulated (completely aside from the obvious ego-based manipulation) and readily extorted. You cannot trust someone like that with classified information, never mind the powers of the presidency.

erronis

(15,973 posts)
13. And trump never had to go through the clearance process. This makes no sense to me.
Tue May 7, 2024, 07:21 PM
May 7

Every candidate for president, vice-president, top administration officials, and congress should have to have at least a SECRET clearance.

That would quickly rid us of many of the qanon/repuglicons and some of the democrats who act more like the little greedy bastards.

unblock

(53,106 posts)
23. Unfortunately, from a constitutional perspective, it makes no sense.
Tue May 7, 2024, 09:10 PM
May 7

Can't have a few bureaucrats vetoing who can be president.

Now, candidates should be required to do things take certain tests, make certain disclosures, etc., and the results should be published widely.

But then, Donnie made it clear who he was by refusing to release his taxes, and the media just said wow what a bold norm-breaker now let's move on instead of saying hey, fraud alarm bells.... and shocker, now he's on trial for fraud.

Tree Lady

(11,744 posts)
15. I even got contacted and gave
Tue May 7, 2024, 07:29 PM
May 7

out info when my son n law was working at Pentagon.

I think we need to change qualifications for president that you must pass security for classified info and at least two years in some type of elected office so you know what its all about. Not rich or famous only.

Frasier Balzov

(3,004 posts)
24. No, I guess not.
Tue May 7, 2024, 09:17 PM
May 7

The prosecutor must've have made her read his earlier comment about her out loud on the stand.

Not a new incident.

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AverageOldGuy

(1,658 posts)
7. Russian intelligence service . . .
Tue May 7, 2024, 06:43 PM
May 7

. . . figured that out years ago. He is what the intell community calls an "unwitting asset" -- and they are the most dangerous.

DENVERPOPS

(9,254 posts)
9. Truth is
Tue May 7, 2024, 06:57 PM
May 7

that Putin was grooming and collecting Kompromat on Trump and Many other Republican Politicians for decades.

Truth is that the U.S. Government rejected (For major causes) Top Secret Clearances for Ivanka, Jared, etc etc etc and they got them anyway.....

The Intelligence community, even before Trump was out of office, no longer provided their daily intel briefings to Trump, nor his spawn.
Former Presidents customarily continue to get the intel for a year? after they leave office, and the Intel Community said NO WAY.....What do you think they knew, that the citizens of the U.S didn't know, about what was going on with the Intel by Trump and his spawn/??????

I would love to know what Putin has on Trump, (and also Lindsay Graham, as well as other top Republicans).......I will bet it is juicy and way way way way beyond despicable or deplorable............. Certainly something soooo sickening that it would turn off his 70 Million supporters.......

His supporters could care less about whore mongering, infidelity, homosexuality, so what does Putin have that they would be scared to death he might reveal.........Think about it.........

erronis

(15,973 posts)
14. Echo this. Perhaps someday we will learn a bit about putin's grasp on the venal US politicians.
Tue May 7, 2024, 07:23 PM
May 7

Obviously we are an easy mark. Perhaps because we no longer are required to study history.

IronLionZion

(45,992 posts)
10. Epstein probably did that to all sorts of people
Tue May 7, 2024, 06:59 PM
May 7

which is why they had to shut him up permanently.

Trump could easily have been extorted already by foreign adversaries. His administration was full of leaks, he would verbally spill classified info to Mar-A-Lago guests, keep classified documents unsecured, etc. The Trump years saw an unprecedented amount of cyberattacks successfully hit US government institutions and a effing insurrection at the Capitol. Let's not forget his first impeachment over Ukraine. And everyone in his orbit is apparently crooked and corrupt.

But yes, we can always trust the twice impeached porn star hush money dude with countless bankruptcies and indictments.

Captain Zero

(7,122 posts)
29. Yesterday I read Nauta had TSDs on his phone
Wed May 8, 2024, 07:11 AM
May 8

The only way he would get those would be from Trump and MaraLoco. Walt Nauta is a Russian Agent. Or a flunky waiting to grift. He is with Trump constantly.

niyad

(115,935 posts)
12. "She could have asked him for anything.". .Did she, in fact, initiate
Tue May 7, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 7

a demand for money? That is something I have never seen addressed. Did she ask for money, or did RAPIST-TRAITOR** voluntarily offer it to her to cover up his actions?

Same question about Karen McDougall.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
17. Agreed. Though this is actually a well documented concern with Trump.
Tue May 7, 2024, 07:43 PM
May 7

All politicians have "something to hide". One of the reasons I have been hesitant to run for office locally is concern for dirt that might be dredged up or made up. Not that I have tons of skeletons in my closet, but the intrusion into people's private lives is horrible.

Trump likes to think that he is unique, as in special and gifted. He isn't. The only thing that sets him apart in any positive way in his life, was that he was born to wealth. He is unique however, in that he is SO DAMAGED and SO NEEDY that he us uniquely susceptible to being compromised. It doesn't even really stem from all the horrible shit that he has done either. Most people know he is a scumbag and has likely done worse that what is being exposed. The problem is that to Trump, his IMAGE is his only concern. Trump doesn't require blackmail to give up state secrets, the only thing he would really need would be for something to benefit him in some big way. Putin was able to play him easily and the Chinese had him begging and trying to exhort the Congress to take one of the tech companies off the bad list because they (the Chinese) buttered him up and probably offered to spend bunches of money at Trump properties.

Like I said, people have secrets. What Trump lacks is what makes him unique. He lacks any integrity or ethics.

ecstatic

(33,168 posts)
19. well the main point for me is: what type of SICK FUCK proceeds to have sex
Tue May 7, 2024, 08:05 PM
May 7

with someone who reminds them of their child? That is really disgusting.

 

Silent3

(15,900 posts)
27. Unfortunately the jury can't convict Trump for being dangerous...
Wed May 8, 2024, 05:07 AM
May 8

…so they can only go by the particulars of the case as related to the charges at hand in the trial, for which Trump’s exposure to blackmail is irrelevant.

There’s plenty to pick from to when it comes to clear signals Trump should never be, and should never have been, in a position of great power.

elleng

(133,125 posts)
28. Right, but 'the particulars of the case' are significant enough to cross the line to
Wed May 8, 2024, 05:11 AM
May 8

GUILTY, imo.

The judge's instructions will be critical.

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