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yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:42 PM Jan 2012

Newt says "open marriage" story is false. That isn't going to fly with most Americans.

Why would his ex wife lie about that? Women in particular are going to resent the fact that he is calling the woman he cheated on (with a much younger woman) a liar. It may have gotten him a standing O with SC Republicans but most Americans will not be impressed.

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Newt says "open marriage" story is false. That isn't going to fly with most Americans. (Original Post) yellowcanine Jan 2012 OP
Will the people who would vote for Newt care? yardwork Jan 2012 #1
some women might Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #5
In all fairness, what are women going to do? Not vote for him again? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #2
His word against her, but the media has his back liberal N proud Jan 2012 #3
What the fuck was he practicing if not open marriage malaise Jan 2012 #4
Newt was having a clandestine affair. It was not an open marriage. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #24
Why would she lie? I mean to get out there for the whole world to see. I believe her. Even if southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #6
Because she herself cheated with Newt Gingrich and destroyed his FIRST marriage. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #7
But at this point Newt has more motivation to lie than she does. And the story yellowcanine Jan 2012 #11
I agree with you on these points, but especially in light of the crowd's reaction tonight, I don't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #13
This is a home cooked crowd for Newt. The reaction else where will not be nearly as kind. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #14
Most people know about the Gingrich peccadillos. The Marianne + Newt marriage is itself a product of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #22
Except that Marianne provides some new disturbing details. We will see. I think it is a net yellowcanine Jan 2012 #25
There is more to that. She said that he had already started his divorce before they started southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #12
If you question her credibility, the where does his stand. Thinkingabout Jan 2012 #18
Plus someone who would carry on a 6 year clandestine affair had no intention of seeking a divorce. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #9
I'll agree with you on that. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #15
If it's false guitar man Jan 2012 #8
Doesn't matter. It's entirely plausable krispos42 Jan 2012 #10
I hate Newt, but is there anything wrong with people having an open marriage? Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #16
When one party proposes it after a 6 year clandestine affair is revealed, yes. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #17
Alright, I have to be honest I haven't really paid that much attention to this story. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #20
It sure as hell is a problem dsc Jan 2012 #21
Well Newt has just made it more relevant by saying that it is untrue. So he is essentially calling yellowcanine Jan 2012 #23
It may have something to do with candidate Newt being guilty... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #26
they will love newt more...they just want the best Obama hater spanone Jan 2012 #19

yardwork

(61,533 posts)
1. Will the people who would vote for Newt care?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:43 PM
Jan 2012

I mean, think about everything we already know about Newt. Now imagine a set of people who would still support him. Are they going to let one more disgusting atrocious thing stop them?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
5. some women might
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:49 PM
Jan 2012

when they see the video of Marianne and then see Newt attacking her they may identify with her and turn against him

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
3. His word against her, but the media has his back
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jan 2012

Rush will proclaim him king and the ditto heads will fall in line.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
4. What the fuck was he practicing if not open marriage
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jan 2012

He had a woman on the side for years.

Fuck that lying scumbag ReTHUG

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
24. Newt was having a clandestine affair. It was not an open marriage.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jan 2012

Generally an open marriage is an agreement between both spouses that they can each have sex with other people. When one spouse is secretly screwing someone else, that is not an open marriage. It is also not clear that Newt was proposing an actual open marriage - just that he be allowed to continue to get his side nooky.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
6. Why would she lie? I mean to get out there for the whole world to see. I believe her. Even if
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:49 PM
Jan 2012

she was a scorned woman.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
7. Because she herself cheated with Newt Gingrich and destroyed his FIRST marriage.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jan 2012

I do question her credibility.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
11. But at this point Newt has more motivation to lie than she does. And the story
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:58 PM
Jan 2012

rings true, considering that Newt had carried on a 6 year clandestine affair. He had no intention of seeking a divorce until he got caught.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
13. I agree with you on these points, but especially in light of the crowd's reaction tonight, I don't
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jan 2012

think Marianne will get that much traction.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
14. This is a home cooked crowd for Newt. The reaction else where will not be nearly as kind.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:10 PM
Jan 2012

Particularly with women. You don't call the woman you cheated on for 6 years with a much younger woman a liar. You just don't. And Newt is already on thin ice with a lot of women. This just feeds right into their negative perceptions.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
22. Most people know about the Gingrich peccadillos. The Marianne + Newt marriage is itself a product of
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jan 2012

an affair.

Added to that, many women voted for John McCain who is married to Cindy, their marriage stemming from an adulterous affair.

The problem is this country's morals when it comes to Republicans. Republican moral transgressions are almost always forgiven and forgotten.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
25. Except that Marianne provides some new disturbing details. We will see. I think it is a net
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jan 2012

negative, though, particularly with a lot of women, who either were jilted themselves by a husband like Newt, or have a friend or relative who was.

And I could be wrong, but I believe Newt's affair with Marianne did not start until after he had started divorce proceedings with his first wife.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
12. There is more to that. She said that he had already started his divorce before they started
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jan 2012

dating. He lied to her. Again why would she go on national tv and speak if it wasn't true. She isn't a pure person but I think he plays with these women and they fall for it. Personally I don't know why.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. If you question her credibility, the where does his stand.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jan 2012

He backed up his with cheating on the first wife with cheating on the second one. Probably cheats on this one also. The present wants Newt to be president so she can be first lady but she is still third lady.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
9. Plus someone who would carry on a 6 year clandestine affair had no intention of seeking a divorce.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jan 2012

His wife discovered the affair and only then does he propose the open marriage bullcrap - probably to try and preserve his political viability. It rings true.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
10. Doesn't matter. It's entirely plausable
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jan 2012

Which is the real problem.


It make people realize "hey, THAT'S the kind of person he is".

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
17. When one party proposes it after a 6 year clandestine affair is revealed, yes.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:39 PM
Jan 2012

When both parties agree to it from the beginning or at least before one of them starts sleeping around, ok.

Puregonzo1188

(1,948 posts)
20. Alright, I have to be honest I haven't really paid that much attention to this story.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jan 2012

In spite of what Wolf Blitzer tells me, I highly doubt that Newt Gringrich's sex life counts as breaking news. If the issue is him cheating that's one thing (though still not really any of my business-though I do realize it makes Newt a tremendous hypocrite), though a lot of the outrage from what I could tell seemed to be at the idea of an open marriage. I've known some polyamorous people myself and I hardly see where anybody gets the right to judge them.

dsc

(52,147 posts)
21. It sure as hell is a problem
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 01:25 AM
Jan 2012

when you spend every waking hour telling folk like me that I am too immoral to get married.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
23. Well Newt has just made it more relevant by saying that it is untrue. So he is essentially calling
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jan 2012

his ex wife a liar - which to my mind is more of a problem than the actual open marriage business. Anyway, it is kind of sleazy to ask your wife for permission to keep screwing someone else when she finds out about a 6-year clandestine affair, don't you think? I think it is relevant because it goes to the character issue. Note that this whole "affair" was concurrent with Newt helping to lead the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about Monica. I think the open marriage proposal was an attempt on Newt's part to keep his dalliance with Callista hidden. If he divorces his wife at that time it would have raised questions. Clinton was impeached in late 1998 and tried by the Senate in early 1999. Newt's divorce was finalized in 2000. Everything his wife is saying squares with the known time lines.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. It may have something to do with candidate Newt being guilty...
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jan 2012

It may have something to do with candidate Newt being guilty of the very same transgressions he justified to remove Pres Clinton with.

spanone

(135,781 posts)
19. they will love newt more...they just want the best Obama hater
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:16 AM
Jan 2012

it's not about policy, it's not about the economy

it's about Barack Obama. period.

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