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diva77

(7,880 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 10:15 PM Jun 2024

A $600 Billion Swindle: Study Makes Case to 'Abolish' Medicare Advantage

https://www.commondreams.org/news/medicare-advantage-cost

"The time has come to declare MA a failed experiment," write the authors of a new paper.
Jake Johnson Jun 10, 2024

A new academic analysis published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine details the enormous sums that privatized Medicare Advantage plans have cost U.S. taxpayers in recent years and calls for the abolition of the program, which has been massively profitable for the insurance giants that dominate it.

Citing the nonpartisan Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, the paper notes that Medicare Advantage (MA) plans have overcharged the federal government to the tune of $612 billion since 2007—and $82 billion last year alone.

MA plans—now used by more than half of the eligible Medicare population—utilize a range of tactics to reap larger payments from the federal government, which provides insurers a lump sum for each Medicare Advantage patient. The size of the payment depends on the enrollee's health, which MA plans are notorious for portraying as worse than it is in order to receive heftier government payments.

"Paradoxically, despite those overpayments, MA plans spend 9% less on medical services than [fee-for-service] Medicare spends for comparable enrollees," reads the new study. "If MA plans pay for less care, where do the overpayments go? Some pay for supplementary benefits, although plans do not disclose how much they spend on them, and MA enrollees do not get significantly more dental care or incur lower out-of-pocket dental costs than those in FFS Medicare. Instead, overhead and profit eats up the lion's share."

The study's authors estimate that MA plans' overhead from 2007 to 2024 was $592 billion, which is "equivalent to 97% of taxpayers' $612 billion overpayments to them during that period."

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Medicare Advantage, aka PRIVATE insurance needs to be GONE!!! We need our social safety net and Medicare Advantage yanks away that net.





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A $600 Billion Swindle: Study Makes Case to 'Abolish' Medicare Advantage (Original Post) diva77 Jun 2024 OP
The authors of the analysis linked to in OP concluded the following: diva77 Jun 2024 #1
Great name for it: "Good Deal" live love laugh Jun 2024 #16
DURec leftstreet Jun 2024 #2
I've been bombarded with MA ads through the mail Wednesdays Jun 2024 #3
Same. But I'm also getting emails and phone calls, too. littlemissmartypants Jun 2024 #8
it shocks me they are allowed to get away with this shit Skittles Jun 2024 #4
There's a reason the insurance companies push Advantage plans so hard dflprincess Jun 2024 #7
Medicare for all. Bluethroughu Jun 2024 #5
I is called capitalism and it is a failure except for the capitalist Stargazer99 Jun 2024 #6
The parasites run all those advertisements to suck in as much as they can before it's stopped. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #9
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2024 #10
Kick GoodRaisin Jun 2024 #11
morning kik diva77 Jun 2024 #12
I have a UHC MA plan and I'm completely happy with it. I pay nothing, zero, and they have paid for everything. elocs Jun 2024 #13
Have you had a serious health issue that required expensive treatment? Did they gladly cover it, no questions asked? diva77 Jun 2024 #14
I have. The first week in February of this year Trailrider1951 Jun 2024 #15
I am retired and have dual care coverage. What Medicare MA doesn't pay, my state Medicaid does. elocs Jun 2024 #18
Rather than abolishing it regulate it. LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #17
There are several reasons to remain on regular medicare. I'm not touching those plans. lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #19
Yes. Wendell Potter went after this some time ago. Passages Jun 2024 #20

diva77

(7,880 posts)
1. The authors of the analysis linked to in OP concluded the following:
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 10:49 PM
Jun 2024
A smarter, thriftier way to expand benefits and lower out-of-pocket costs is possible for all Medicare beneficiaries, but first, we must eliminate MA and double down on traditional Medicare, covering all enrollees in an expanded and improved Medicare program. That would be a good deal for patients and taxpayers.


Spread the message far and wide!!

Wednesdays

(20,577 posts)
3. I've been bombarded with MA ads through the mail
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 11:27 PM
Jun 2024

I turn 65 in a few months, and every day I get some kind of ad trying to lure me into a Medicare Advantage plan. Some are even offering free dinners at local restaurants in conjunction to an "information session" on an MA plan.

They wouldn't be offering to pay for my free dinner if they didn't think they would reap big profits off me!

littlemissmartypants

(28,436 posts)
8. Same. But I'm also getting emails and phone calls, too.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:20 AM
Jun 2024

Apparently, the banks and credit union I use have shared my info. I can't tell you how many numbers and emails I've blocked or how many fliers I've ripped up and thrown out. The volume is ridiculous and exceptionally intrusive.

The last time I got a call, I answered. Before the woman, who had left her name on a previous message, spoke, I addressed her by name, told her to stop calling me, and that I was blocking the number. Then I abruptly hung up on her.

Skittles

(166,043 posts)
4. it shocks me they are allowed to get away with this shit
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 11:29 PM
Jun 2024

KILL THAT CRAP and make regular Medicare more affordable and with extra benefits, like dental

dflprincess

(28,920 posts)
7. There's a reason the insurance companies push Advantage plans so hard
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:08 AM
Jun 2024

And it's not because they love us & care about our health.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
5. Medicare for all.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 11:38 PM
Jun 2024

I have what is a Cadillac plan and have watched the erosion of care for me. The insurance industry is filled with thieves and bandits ask Rick Scott.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
9. The parasites run all those advertisements to suck in as much as they can before it's stopped.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:20 AM
Jun 2024
 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
13. I have a UHC MA plan and I'm completely happy with it. I pay nothing, zero, and they have paid for everything.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jun 2024

It has never denied paying for any test or procedure, has paid for all of my dental care and eye care as well as a pair of glasses each year. They have also provided $174/month for healthy food which helps me eat and I have become fond of eating.
So I have nothing bad to say about my Medicare Advantage Plan.

diva77

(7,880 posts)
14. Have you had a serious health issue that required expensive treatment? Did they gladly cover it, no questions asked?
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:19 PM
Jun 2024

(you don't have to answer the questions, obviously). Just trying to point out that as long as you don't have a serious medical issue some of these plans sound great -- but the minute you need serious care, you may face being denied life-saving treatment.

Trailrider1951

(3,529 posts)
15. I have. The first week in February of this year
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jun 2024

I had to have emergency gall bladder surgery. The total hospital bill was $87,000. My co-pay, with my Kaiser-Permenente Medicare advantage (Washington State) was $825, and I got affordable payments for that. My last prescriptions cost $10 for 4 of them. When I had straight Medicare, I went to urgent care with the flu. In addition to what Medicare paid them, I still owed $205. I'll take my KP-MA care every time. YMMV.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
18. I am retired and have dual care coverage. What Medicare MA doesn't pay, my state Medicaid does.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 05:36 PM
Jun 2024

But my Medicare MA has been a lifesaver for me and has put much needed money in my pocket every month.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
17. Rather than abolishing it regulate it.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jun 2024

Especially plans individuals obtain on their own. That is plans offered on tv, in the mail, or by phone.

lindysalsagal

(22,717 posts)
19. There are several reasons to remain on regular medicare. I'm not touching those plans.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jun 2024

I might buy an extra one in addition, but not a replacement. Some states don't let you back in after you opt out, and some don't pay all of your bills. The details and limits are too much for most people to sift through. But the little extras: free dental coverage, doctor office rides, etc, don't make up for those risks.

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