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Stinky The Clown

(68,504 posts)
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:30 PM Nov 2012

Over the cliff? Not over the cliff?

Which do you think is the better strategy?

Why?


13 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Over the cliff
11 (85%)
Not over the cliff
2 (15%)
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Over the cliff? Not over the cliff? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 OP
better congress with BETTER dems in it and less repubs. better outcome nt msongs Nov 2012 #1
Why? Because we'd be in a better bargaining position after sequestration. Lasher Nov 2012 #2
That second point is why I think we would be better off waiting DJ13 Nov 2012 #3
There is no fiscal cliff Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #4
I agree with you Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #6
Bingo. 99Forever Nov 2012 #7
Yep gollygee Nov 2012 #8
NOT. Simply because NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #5
Over. Tax rates need to be fair. The rich need to pay their fair share. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #9
I voted not over the cliff because of how it affects everybody. But if the agreement is not a good Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #10
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #11

Lasher

(28,612 posts)
2. Why? Because we'd be in a better bargaining position after sequestration.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:41 PM
Nov 2012

And also because I don't trust Obama as our chief capitulator. Do you?

Stinky The Clown

(68,504 posts)
6. I agree with you
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:12 PM
Nov 2012

It is a right wing talking point and, as usual, the Democrats go right the fuck along with it. Like oxen with rings in their noses.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
7. Bingo.
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:15 PM
Nov 2012

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who sees this for the steaming pile it is.


Thank you.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
5. NOT. Simply because
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:39 AM
Nov 2012

we need more stimulus. Granted, this is the best position that we have been in negotiation-wise, but we need to have more stimulus and frankly, the "deficit" is totally irrelevant.

If we increase the economy, the revenues will increase and the deficit will be a moot point. Although, I support increasing the tax rate on the 1% just to help normalize the increase of wealth between the upper 1% and the rest of the country. Should we increase the basic rate or close the loopholes? Both. And get rid of the cap on SS payroll taxes - that will take care of any issues.

Medicare? The problem with health insurance is health costs. Expand Medicare to be Medicare for All. This will affect private insurance companies which will affect the economy. But, these companies can become Medicare Supplemental companies.

But I digress. Although the "Fiscal Cliff" may be over-rated, it is still a real thing.

Filibuster Harry

(666 posts)
10. I voted not over the cliff because of how it affects everybody. But if the agreement is not a good
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:46 PM
Nov 2012

one then over the cliff we go together. But it is going to be interesting to see if/when/ an how the richies get mad as we get closer to Dec 31st and especially when congress is on vacation.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:51 PM
Nov 2012
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken
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