The polls remain a deeply disturbing and devastating indictment

[Bucky]

of Republican voters. How more clownish and idiotic can this buffoon get before he loses their votes? You'd think they'd at least start to jump to Bob Kennedy. He may be crazy and stubborn like Trump, but at least he's not a mewling moron completely bereft of self-awareness.

What are these people thinking?

[gab13by13]

1. Polls are used for propaganda.

I saw one poll that had Kamala beating the TSF in Pa by 2 points.
There was another Pa. poll that had TSF winning by 6 points.

Remember, TSF got caught paying for favorable polling.

[Faux pas]

2. They don't have

the ability to think, their "leader" is the only "brain" they have between them

[Bucky]

41. Insults are all well & good, but not accurate

Your average Trump voter actually isn't a mindless hate machine. They use critical thinking & apply social niceties in most of their fault situations. They're kind to neighbors, understanding of the life failures of the ones they love, don't harass or prayer co-workers if they're gay or Muslim or an immigrant. They're as likely as Biden voters to donate to ô

Case studies I've read and personal experience have shown me that they compartmentalize such that the toxic anti-social inclinations they show in politics don't carry over into the rest of their lives

[NoRethugFriends]

3. you see Bob Kennedy as having self-awareness?

I guess I missed that

[Bev54]

12. Yep that took me by surprise too

[dchill]

26. The dead brainworm has more self-awareness.

[Bucky]

42. It's relative, of course

But if you were in a burning building and Trump told you take the stairs on the left and froggy said take the stairs on the right... which advice would you follow?

[msongs]

4. they are thinking how great trump is about controlling the message today nt

[durablend]

5. Never going to happen

Some of you need to quit thinking these people are redeemable because this is what they are.

[Silent Type]

6. Years ago, I quit thinking trump's supporters would break decent. They really are deplorable.

[EYESORE 9001]

7. All polls except one are on my pay-no-mind list

And that’s the final tally of votes on Election Day.

[TwilightZone]

13. The only one that really matters is the tally of electoral votes.

[Deuxcents]

16. Yes. I'm getting tons of emails asking, even begging for my

Candidate and of course, money. My answer to all of them is “delete”

[chicoescuela]

8. The magats I know aren't stupid . They are mean and vindictive people who

think brown people are taking something from them.

[ColinC]

9. Give it just a little bit of time :)

[Sky Jewels]

10. A huge chunk of the people of this country

are any combination of stupid, gullible, greedy, racist, sexist, and/or cruel.

[dwayneb]

44. Sad but true - but remember it does not take a huge chunk

It just takes enough whackjobs living in the right locations to tilt the electoral college toward the maga fascists. Don't forget, 40%-50% of the American voting public didn't even cast a ballot in 2016 and 2020. Which means that even an insane and dangerous minority have the potential to destroy our democracy.

[blogslug]

11. They're thinking: "Finally! Somebody who'll listen to my weird shit!"

"I've driven away all my friends and family. I'll let loose on this underpaid polling contract employee!"

[calimary]

31. Aha! Maybe THAT explains it.

[myohmy2]

14. yes...

...I don't get it either...

...we've shared the same schools, neighborhoods, towns, families, even had birthday parties together...

...yet now they seem so fucked in the head blindly following and supporting this magat...

...he must have some evil spell over them...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. Try having a twin who is going to vote for Trump

My whole family - plus my brother, have always been Republican. My brothers identity is so tied up to being a Republican that despite initially being vehemently anti-Trump he’s voting for Trump.

[elleng]

15. NOT thinking.

[genxlib]

17. A generation of right wing media

Has conditioned the right that liberals are evil. '

Even if they think he is a buffoon, many won't consider another option because they have been trained to think that we are the worst possible thing that could happen.

[Cosmocat]

36. This

No matter how horrible a R is, ge or she is far better than a democRAT to people who have chosen to marinate their brains in right wing propaganda their entire adult lives.

[dwayneb]

46. Right wing media - and now Internet based right wing propaganda

This started in earnest back with Limbaugh in the 80's. But now with the Internet the fascist propaganda can spread with the speed of light.

[MrWowWow]

18. Ship of Fools

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-Voyage of the Damned.

[Sky Jewels]

21. Another Ship of Fools, written for the Reagan/Thatcher era

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RIP to the great Karl Wallinger

We’re setting sail to the place on the map
From which no one has ever returned
Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
By the light of the crosses that burned
Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
And the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need
You sail away from the light of the world on this trip, baby
You will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow
You will pay tomorrow
Oh, oh, oh
Save me, save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools, no, no
Oh, save me, save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools, no, no
I want to run and hide right now
Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
They will leave you drifting in the shallows
Or drowning in the oceans of history
Traveling the world, you're in search of no good
But I'm sure you'll build your Sodom like you knew you would
Using all the good people for your galley slaves
As you're little boat struggles through the warning waves, but you don't pay
You will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow, yeah
You're gonna pay tomorrow
Save me, save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools, no, no, no
Save me, save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools
Where's it comin' from?
Oh, where's it goin' to?
It's just a, it's just a ship of fools
All abord now

[dwayneb]

47. Had never heard that before - some truth telling there

[lees1975]

19. Polls are to support the media narrative and give the 24 hour news cycle something to jabber about.

They aren't accurate, and their defenders and apologists just cite propaganda, not facts.

[Carlitos Brigante]

20. Typical Puke voters are trash and basically turned their own party into a death cult. What worries the shit out of me is

the so called "normies", low information voters who flip back and forth. But somehow after seeing what you describe. Are still like "it's cool, nothing crazy going on, that I can see....". Like my fucking brother in law.

[pat_k]

22. Do not underestimate the number of people . . .

. . . who are going to get out there and vote for Trump.

They have all sorts of reasons.

Some just live in areas where "everyone" votes Republican, so that's what they are doing.

Some are stuck in the fox bubble.

Many are struggling. We cannot underestimate the toll being taken by inflation in rent and other monthly costs like auto insurance and health insurance. A lot of these folks are are voting for Trump because things suck and they think Trump will "shake things up." They want change for change sake.

Some are voting for Trump because they think those "blues" hate them, or hate their religious beliefs. They feel vilified and that feeling binds them together. And demonizing Trump and his voters only feeds those beliefs.

A whole lot of them don't actually pay much attention to the rallies or the speeches, or events like today's. They've got enough on their plates.

Kamala seems to have the right idea. Make short shrift of Trump -- talk about him as little as possible -- and focus on a message of hope for the future.

Check out groups like Braver Angels if you really want to understand what's up with the "Reds."

It's time to get over our obsession with Trump. Harping on today's idiocy (and there is some idiocy every day) isn't winning us any voters. It's all been said. Kamala got it right when she just wrote it off as "same old same old" and shifted to Inspiring hope for the future. That's what can win voters. Actually reaching across divides to unite. That's what we need to be doing.

[NJCher]

29. you covered all the bases

Excellent post.

[calimary]

32. "It's time to get over our obsession with Trump."

Boy, you can say THAT again!

It’s an absolute MUST. And as soon as possible PLEASE!!! For ALL our sakes!

[Martin Eden]

37. How many Trump voters can be persuaded to dump him and vote for Harris instead?

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If very few, then the task is to persuade undecided voters and of course to GOTV among likely Democratic voters.

Without a doubt, the Harris campaign has to offer popular policies and a positive vision for the future.

But the campaign should not shy away from pointing out the negative consequences of another Trump presidency -- not just Project 2025, but the threat he poses to democracy and his egregious character flaws.

[pat_k]

40. It's a matter of emphasis

Media, us here, speeches. Count the number of minutes/words talking about Trump, and then count the number talking about the values we share as Americans and the things we have accomplished in the past -- and the things we can accomplish in the future -- when choose those values. It's about 90% (or more) Trump or "them" and 10% (or less) hope/legislative change/bettter future/values.

Kamala is shifting the focus. She does a great job of dispensing with Trump quickly and focusing on drawing a picture of a better America.

And turning out the vote for Harris is the key because there are a lot of people -- good people -- people we need to be talking to, who will be voting for Trump for reasons that are very different than what you think.

[kcr]

38. It is wrong to call the fight against Trump an "obsession"

It is not an obsession. It is vital. It is pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking that we can win any MAGAT votes.

[pat_k]

39. Of course it is vital

But we spend waaaayyyy too much time focused on him and not focused on inspiring hope and action -- on building a picture of what a better future could look like for all Americans. Talking about REAL unity. What we can do as Americans if we remember the values we share. We have a lot more in common with a whole heck of a lot of "them" then you think.

[AZ8theist]

24. I disagree with your assessment of RFK....

Anybody is so anti-vax in this day and age is a moron.

[Skittles]

25. CULT

THEY.DO.NOT.THINK.

[sheshe2]

27. I ignore the polls.

Period.

[quakerboy]

28. that's silly And missing the point

The clownishness and idiocy are irrelevant to the majority of republican voters.

They want the hate. As long as the hate is there, the rest is irrelevant.

I'd love to think that people are all generally good, well meaning. And they may well be. On average. But averages mean there's a bunch above the line and a bunch below. 40% of the 50% who vote are below.

[Tweedy]

30. Watch Sinclair

Local news stations
Airing anywhere in the country and find part of your answer.

If Mr Trump’s mouth is open, he is lying.
If Sinclair’s news is running, the Sinclair anchors repeat trump lies like gospel. They also repeat his earworms and frames.

He dropped a couple today. Laugh at them. They are ridiculous.

Fox News viewers are consistently the most mis- informed Americans. If you know someone watching Fox News, turn it off somehow. Remember rural America is still dependent on cable and many cannot cut the cord.

Most are not with Mr. Trump. They are aligned with a lie. Error is difficult to admit for all of us and dang nigh impossible if you never hear how and why you are wrong from a source you trust.

We need to keep reaching out, listening and turning off Fox and Sinclair.

They are our neighbors, our families, our erstwhile friends and our fellow citizens.

Most of them are decent people caught up in trump’s enormous con. T
Remembering that and trying to laugh (even when the humor is brutal) helps me.

[bob4460]

33. I think they pulled the same 5,000 people over and over

I think they poll the same 5,000 people over and over. And Democrats don't answer the phone for weird numbers

[GaYellowDawg]

34. Not an excuse, but

They just live in a different world. Their authority sources are preachers, right wing "personalities," and Fox News. They have been programmed to hate and fear anything they don't understand for generations, and the political right has tuned into this with a chilling precision, an overwhelming network of radio, TV, and internet, and dump trucks full of money. Since the advent of Fox News and the rise of Rush Limbaugh in the early 90's, an almost-impenetrable ecosystem of disinformation has been established, and because they have tapped into religion, it will be sustained as long as the U.S. is a religious country. They have their worldview and will not budge from it, and facts don't matter when that happens.

[SamKnause]

35. The half of my family that support trump do not think.

They have lost the ability to think for themselves.

Some of them have even found 'god' while supporting trump.

One of my family members said they will never change their mind about trump.

They said 'god' wants trump and anything trump does is fine with them. (This person was not religious until they started following trump).

If you try to have a discussion with them, provide links, show them videos, or news clips they respond with all those sources are lies.

There is no way to reach them.

trump is their 'god' and he can do no wrong.

They don't believe in democracy and are proud to tell you this.

[D23MIURG23]

43. You aren't wrong, but I strongly suspect the polls are.

Any support for that fucker is too much, but they haven't passed the sniff test all year. To stable, too different from the electoral picture we've seen since 2020, and just... in defiance of common sense. I don't know a lot about polling methodology, but I've heard sampling is getting harder and harder. I think we are seeing some kind of systemic oversample of MAGA assholes.

[uponit7771]

45. Robert Kennedy took money from same person funding Vance iinm