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Funtatlaguy

(11,592 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:38 AM Aug 3

Trump: "She'll lose the Palestinian vote if she picks Shapiro".

* I’m only posting this as information. Not trying to stir up support or non support for Shapiro. I’ll happily support him if he’s our Veep choice.

On CNN this morning about 5:15am as part of a story about the selection process, they carried the Trump statement giving his opinion about Harris choosing Shapiro.
Who knows why he would say this. Reverse psychology?
Trump just being Trump and enjoying playing pundit?

No matter his motivation, I did find it interesting that he said this.
Just passing that along.
Once again, I’m not advocating for or against the choice of Shapiro.
I only want Harris to make the best choice to help her win.
As we all here do.

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Trump: "She'll lose the Palestinian vote if she picks Shapiro". (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Aug 3 OP
So the rightwing IS afraid of Shapiro, interesting. Think. Again. Aug 3 #1
Yes I think this is what Trump is saying. Irish_Dem Aug 3 #13
Actually... Grins Aug 3 #30
He did not say a thing about Michigan...Trump knows PA is a deal breaker for him if he loses it... Demsrule86 Aug 3 #63
Dearborn, Michigan DID! Explicitly. Grins Aug 3 #75
Harris get to pick her VP, not Trump. DiamondShark Aug 4 #95
Yes. He's afraid of Shapiro. Shapiro would steal much of Trump's pro-Israeli vote MaryMagdaline Aug 3 #36
Of course they are - it is so apparent. Gov Shapiro is getting bashed TBF Aug 3 #37
I haven't seen too much Shapiro-bashing here... Think. Again. Aug 3 #68
Perhaps you're focused on other things - it definitely catches my eye TBF Aug 3 #69
That's true, I'm certainly not the intended target for... Think. Again. Aug 3 #70
Reminds me of the Eric Hoffer quote Bok_Tukalo Aug 3 #2
Indeed Sugarcoated Aug 3 #5
Fuck him Sugarcoated Aug 3 #3
He wants to paint Harris as "not liking Jews" madaboutharry Aug 3 #4
But he's smart enough to know Sugarcoated Aug 3 #7
Hard for Kamala Harris to NOT like Jews when .... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 3 #18
I think that's what Trump is doing. He's just stirring shit. yardwork Aug 3 #20
And, of course,.. LAS14 Aug 3 #32
:sarcasm: (put it between colons in the Reply text) spooky3 Aug 3 #77
If she picks Shapiro he will say he isn't a real Jew JI7 Aug 3 #6
He's not wrong underpants Aug 3 #8
"could be seen as approval of or appeasement to Israel" Dorian Gray Aug 3 #11
I understand what you are saying but I also understand how this could very well be received underpants Aug 3 #12
I appreciate the response Dorian Gray Aug 3 #91
There is no mention of Shapiro being Jewish in underpants' post onandup Aug 3 #28
He said Dorian Gray Aug 3 #92
They all have the same opinion? onandup Aug 3 #94
They've all expressed generic pro-israel sentiments, yes. Dorian Gray Aug 4 #98
Agreed Lulu KC Aug 3 #31
Thank You for Calling That OUT! I don't want the Cha Aug 3 #74
Should she divorce her Jewish husband, then? MorbidButterflyTat Aug 3 #54
Tell that to Jamal Bowman who lost his primary in New York...and those Demsrule86 Aug 3 #64
Polling shows "the youth vote" doesn't care as much about I/P as you think they do. emulatorloo Aug 3 #80
I'm sure you know what you're talking about underpants Aug 3 #82
I just gave you a link. Loud Noises on twitter/X and tiktok do not equal "real life" youth voters. emulatorloo Aug 3 #84
Saw this earlier. Pay wall. Got around it. Reading now. underpants Aug 3 #85
Yes, I included a non-paywall link in my post, right under the official link. emulatorloo Aug 3 #86
My Gen Z kids do NOT want Shapiro. They feel strongly about it. Sky Jewels Aug 3 #83
Trump isn't going to be bestowing lavish praise no matter who it is DFW Aug 3 #9
I would hope all VP candidates are ready for the onsought that will bappen by the republicans jimfields33 Aug 3 #22
No that isn't true...Waltz is a good guy but can't deliver PA. Game over for Trump if we get PA. Demsrule86 Aug 3 #42
"If Harris picks Walz, MorbidButterflyTat Aug 3 #56
Didn't Gov. Shapiro North Shore Chicago Aug 3 #10
What???? AkFemDem Aug 3 #15
*clears throats North Shore Chicago Aug 3 #16
Ooooh gotcha and thank god lol AkFemDem Aug 3 #17
Actually no. He is and has been Jewish... Demsrule86 Aug 3 #43
LOL, the sarcasm tag is your friend RandomNumbers Aug 3 #47
Try this smilie next time :sarcasm: or :spray: maybe a :rofl: DiamondShark Aug 4 #96
I think all of her choices are good. I love Shapiro, but Pennsylvania needs him, too. Vinca Aug 3 #14
Excellent point - Mark Kelly would be a wonderful choice FakeNoose Aug 3 #19
My only hesitation is adding another Westerner to a ticket that's led by a Westerner.. calimary Aug 3 #57
Trump will bash each & every candidate up & down. That is what he does. TBF Aug 3 #39
If we lose PA, we lose the election...sure all our candidates are great but Shapiro can deliver PA. Demsrule86 Aug 3 #45
This from the guy who said VP choices don't matter re:JD Vance Maeve Aug 3 #21
Indeed. calimary Aug 3 #58
That may be right soandso Aug 3 #79
If he said that, she needs to pick Shapiro Thrill Aug 3 #23
It's a right wing talking point ColinC Aug 3 #24
That goes without saying. DiamondShark Aug 4 #97
Stay in your lane, Dumpy. You picked JD, now she can pick who she wants. yellowcanine Aug 3 #25
No wonder Trump casinos went bankrupt C_U_L8R Aug 3 #26
Didnt he just say vp picks dont mean a thing? Lol getagrip_already Aug 3 #27
This probably tipped Shapiro right over the edge to the VP pick!!! nt LAS14 Aug 3 #29
I'm pretty sure he wants us to pick Shapiro. I think he scared of Gov. Walz wit. Emile Aug 3 #33
No, nice try. But Trump knows if we win PA it is game over. Shapiro can deliver PA...Waltz is a Demsrule86 Aug 3 #48
Um, okay, I know what you were trying to say here, fella Lulu KC Aug 3 #34
He must be afraid of having Josh Shapiro on the Democratic ticket. lees1975 Aug 3 #35
Hasn't Shapiro also offered criticism of Netanyahu? XorXor Aug 3 #38
Yes he has...it is posted somewhere some don't want him because he is Jewish...has to be Demsrule86 Aug 3 #66
That's simply not true. Shapiro has been more outspoken on Israel/Gaza than the others. Sky Jewels Aug 3 #87
This is not convincing...I would hope the governor would have not support Hamas terrorists...and that is why I have no Demsrule86 Aug 3 #88
No he hasn't...that is just BS. He was a volunteer. I don't care what he did in college. God forbid some of my exploits Demsrule86 Aug 3 #89
I guess some agree with Trump. I make it a point to never agree with Trump. Demsrule86 Aug 3 #90
Jamal Bowman lost his primary in New York when he sided with protestors. It cuts both ways. Demsrule86 Aug 3 #50
Good Point about Bowman Losing and BEING A dsa Cha Aug 4 #104
The rightwing is afraid of Shapiro...he cleaned their clock in the Governor's race and is very popular. He Demsrule86 Aug 3 #40
It's all about PA. tfg knows PA is a must win jg10003 Aug 3 #41
And this is why she needs to pick Shapiro...there is no fucking way we should take a chance on losing because of Demsrule86 Aug 3 #51
100% and that is why we are seeing all the "not Shapiro" posts this week - TBF Aug 3 #67
This guy ? Beachnutt Aug 3 #44
+1 dalton99a Aug 3 #53
How refreshing! An entitled white male telling minorities and their supporters what they think! RandomNumbers Aug 3 #46
One cannot lose sarisataka Aug 3 #49
No, he won't claudette Aug 3 #52
Since when should a weirdo be listened to for anything? Srkdqltr Aug 3 #55
There is that. calimary Aug 3 #59
And Trump lost the cat owner votes by picking Vance. Who cares what he thinks? 33taw Aug 3 #60
Like he has them Traildogbob Aug 3 #61
Palestinian vote? osteopath6 Aug 3 #62
1. Trump spews feces each time he opens his anus mouth! 2. Kamala will make cornball 24 Aug 3 #65
Jared's plans to turn Gaza into vacationland can't be endearing TSF to "the Palestinian vote" Scrivener7 Aug 3 #71
I did a search on that and found a good article on Forbes - TBF Aug 3 #73
So that's Jared's plan to bring peace to the middle east.... Deport the Palestinians. keithbvadu2 Aug 4 #102
He specifically said "move the people out, and then clean it up" TBF Aug 5 #105
And TSF Will Get It.. That's the Way It Works.. Do the Math.. Cha Aug 3 #72
I think he's a great choice epreic01 Aug 3 #76
Typical Trump mischief karynnj Aug 3 #78
That statement is all about keeping PA in play, for Trump, is all GoodRaisin Aug 3 #81
He wants to divide us ecstatic Aug 3 #93
Harris is going to win PA with or without Shapiro. lees1975 Aug 4 #99
5% would be up around 350,000 from Biden's 211,000 in 2020? Sugarcoated Aug 4 #100
Shapiro is very popular in Pennsylvania. That is much more important applegrove Aug 4 #101
We give Trump too much credit Agent Orange Tabby Aug 4 #103

Think. Again.

(16,310 posts)
1. So the rightwing IS afraid of Shapiro, interesting.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:52 AM
Aug 3

Edit to add:

But honestly, trump would have something negative to say about whichever candidate people were most discussing, and stirring up division on the Left is a basic tactic of the right.

Grins

(7,775 posts)
30. Actually...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:53 AM
Aug 3

He’s saying: ‘Pick Shapiro and I will win Michigan.’

He wants Shapiro. Whether that pick would swing Michigan I don’t know. And don’t want to find out.

Maybe Shapiro will see that as a political flaw in his persona and work to change that impression, thus gaining new supporters.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
63. He did not say a thing about Michigan...Trump knows PA is a deal breaker for him if he loses it...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:54 PM
Aug 3

We must win PA. Thus Shapiro is the best choice.

Grins

(7,775 posts)
75. Dearborn, Michigan DID! Explicitly.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:48 PM
Aug 3

And Trump’s people sure saw that!

Pennsylvania isn't the only critical state.

And I don’t believe undecided Pennsylvania voters are suddenly going to think, “Oh! She picked my governor! I’ll vote for her!”

I’m only hoping she picks the best qualified.

MaryMagdaline

(7,611 posts)
36. Yes. He's afraid of Shapiro. Shapiro would steal much of Trump's pro-Israeli vote
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:01 AM
Aug 3

I live in a heavily Democratic county - Broward. Many Democrats are under pressure to switch to Trump because he is “pro-Israel.” Netanyahu clearly wants trump to win. I know, I know. The fact that 70 per cent of Israelis want Netanyahu gone does not negate the fact that Netanyahu has been the face of Israel since the Clinton years. Even Democrats who are in favor of two state solution are worried that the Democratic Party is turning away from Israel.
I am not sure that Josh’s pro-Israeli stance is not an asset to our chances of winning. He could solidify Jewish vote (solidly Democratic) and suburban vote (leans Democratic).
It might just be that in order to save Israel we need a strong push to create a two state solution coming from Democrats. A Democrat got the State of Israel; a Democrat got peace with Egypt; only democrats can get a peaceful solution. We offer something other than the Rapture.
Every time I think Shapiro will hurt us, I keep thinking of his absolute energy and strong moral compass. President Harris will need a bulldog - Bobby Kennedy type - in her administration.
I still lean Walz for labor vote and experience. Either way we are sooooo lucky.
And F Donald Trump. Shapiro is his worst nightmare. He knows Shapiro helps with white women voters. He will steal the Haley voters.

TBF

(33,493 posts)
37. Of course they are - it is so apparent. Gov Shapiro is getting bashed
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:05 AM
Aug 3

on this board now. That should not be happening to any democratic governor, but they are out in full force and arguing up and down that they don't like his "policies", while figuring out how to work his religion into the conversation.

I think the right wing is extremely nervous about Gov Shapiro for 2 reasons - he is moderate (school vouchers being the most obvious issue) and Pennsylvania has 19 electoral votes. Republicans had been very adept at using the electoral college & this has to be foremost on their mind.

Think. Again.

(16,310 posts)
68. I haven't seen too much Shapiro-bashing here...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 3

...but I have a disproportionate number of people here CLAIMING there is Shapiro-bashing.

It's weird.

TBF

(33,493 posts)
69. Perhaps you're focused on other things - it definitely catches my eye
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:26 PM
Aug 3

because I've been supporting him since his run for governor in Pennsylvania (I'm in Texas - there aren't too many other state level folks that catch my eye but he was one of them I've actually donated to).

Just because you haven't noticed it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,388 posts)
2. Reminds me of the Eric Hoffer quote
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:05 AM
Aug 3

“You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.”

Sugarcoated

(8,034 posts)
3. Fuck him
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:19 AM
Aug 3

Obviously he doesn't want her to pick Shapiro. The governor will kick them in the balls, hard and repeatedly, and crooked Donnie and his people know it

madaboutharry

(41,117 posts)
4. He wants to paint Harris as "not liking Jews"
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:19 AM
Aug 3

He is trying to divide the Jewish community. He has been saying “Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews.” Which, btw, is actually antisemitic.
Kamala choosing Shapiro would undercut that bullshit.

Trump is an idiot. The overwhelming majority of Jews hate Trump.

Sugarcoated

(8,034 posts)
7. But he's smart enough to know
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:29 AM
Aug 3

Or maybe his people are telling him that Shapiro would be bad news for them. He's a Philly boy from the City Line section of the city. Middle to upper middle class. Tough but smart tough

LAS14

(14,322 posts)
32. And, of course,..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 3

' He has been saying “Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews.” '

And, of course, the great majority of Jews in this country are listening carefully to what he is saying for guidance.

:SARCASM: (How do you make that yellow sarcasm script with the arrow like things?)

JI7

(90,175 posts)
6. If she picks Shapiro he will say he isn't a real Jew
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:21 AM
Aug 3

or a bad jew or whatever the fuck he has been saying.

underpants

(185,667 posts)
8. He's not wrong
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:36 AM
Aug 3

Shapiro could be see as an approval of or appeasement to Israel. The youth vote is vital and this could dampen donations enthusiasm and turn out. Not all of it but as close as it’s going to be we need every single vote.

Dorian Gray

(13,702 posts)
11. "could be seen as approval of or appeasement to Israel"
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:03 AM
Aug 3

is really something that seems to be a problem in our party. A man who doesn't support Netanyahu, who has spoken about Netanyahu more harshly than some of his non-Jewish VP candidates, is seen as appeasement to Israel. Why?

This is "JFK will be more loyal to the Pope than our country" discriminatory thinking.

There are reasons to debate whether Shapiro is the best candidate, but his being Jewish seems to be the prevailing "negative" in a lot of people's minds. And I think that's really shitty.

underpants

(185,667 posts)
12. I understand what you are saying but I also understand how this could very well be received
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:22 AM
Aug 3

and it might be racist but it’s also widely considered to be the case. I like Shapiro but a lot of people are short attention span.

Dorian Gray

(13,702 posts)
91. I appreciate the response
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:18 PM
Aug 3

and I understand the fear, but I think if they determine he's the best candidate and helps Harris win the Presidency (he's extraordinarily popular in purple state PA, and those electoral votes would go far), then we need to go all in and not allow the people who hold his jewish heritage against him lead the conversation. Now is the time for debate, and it may very well come to pass that his positions on Charter schools or world matters etc. may not coincide with the vision Harris has as the leader, but, I think when democrats say they don't want him bc of his Israel position (which is not really different than any other potential candidate), they should be challenged for that. Big time. Their issue is that they think he's a "zionist." But any of the candidates would fall into that descriptor if they want a two state solution. So why is his case different? Oh... he went to a Jewish school with Jake Tapper? (That was a big meme going around on Twitter today and it's discriminatory.)

Dorian Gray

(13,702 posts)
92. He said
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:20 PM
Aug 3

"Shapiro could be seen as approval and appeasement to Israel." The only difference between his opinion and the other candidates opinions... is that he is Jewish.

Dorian Gray

(13,702 posts)
98. They've all expressed generic pro-israel sentiments, yes.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:08 PM
Aug 4

And support for a 2 state solution. so, yes.

But if you think I am incorrect, I'd love for you to explain how Shapiro's views are more kowtowing to Israel than any of the others.

Lulu KC

(3,122 posts)
31. Agreed
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:53 AM
Aug 3

But I think what we are seeing all over the place (not just with Shapiro) is something that makes it very hard to differentiate between Israel and Bibi and between Palestinians and Hamas. I really wish I could figure out why there is so little room for nuanced understanding on this, broadly. I'm sure there's a name for this in academia. Conflation is the closest I can come.

Cha

(303,515 posts)
74. Thank You for Calling That OUT! I don't want the
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 3

Bigots to Call the Shots on who gets Chosen for Harris' VP. Pretty sure she wouldn't either.

Oh and TSF can FO.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
64. Tell that to Jamal Bowman who lost his primary in New York...and those
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:57 PM
Aug 3

leaders in the Palestinian protest thing... including Nina Turn...none will vote for us.

emulatorloo

(45,498 posts)
80. Polling shows "the youth vote" doesn't care as much about I/P as you think they do.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:49 PM
Aug 3


May 2: Gaza and the 2024 Presidential Election
by Ed Kilgore, May 2nd, 2024 5:50 PM EST

https://thedemocraticstrategist.org/2024/05/may-2-gaza-and-the-2024-presidential-election/

But is the Israel-Hamas war a voting issue — or a reason not to vote at all — for enough people to greatly affect the outcome of the November election? The available data on issue saliency doesn’t provide much evidence that it’s top of mind for that many voters.


A March 29 Gallup survey asked respondents to identify “the most important issue facing the country today.” “War in the Middle East” tied for 13th with just 2 percent.


Perhaps the most startling data comes from the very credible large-sample Harvard Youth Poll released on April 19:

“Poll results showed that two issues closely associated with under-30 voters — the Israel-Hamas war and student debt relief — may not be especially consequential ones when it comes to casting votes.


To be more specific, under-30 voters listed “Israel/Palestine” 15th among the 16 “major issues” they were asked to rank in importance. Pew’s March survey on the subject noted low interest and information levels on the Middle East in the same age cohort:

“Just 14% of those under 50 say they are following the war extremely or very closely, roughly half the share among those over 50 (30%). Consistent with their lower levels of attention, younger Americans are also less likely to know key facts about the ongoing war, based on their responses to three knowledge questions included on the survey.”




underpants

(185,667 posts)
82. I'm sure you know what you're talking about
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:52 PM
Aug 3

I just don’t think you stop a ball that’s helping you from running downhill

emulatorloo

(45,498 posts)
84. I just gave you a link. Loud Noises on twitter/X and tiktok do not equal "real life" youth voters.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:56 PM
Aug 3

Additionally Shapiro calls for an immediate 2 state solution and is very harsh on Netanyahu.

See this article. If you get a chance, it is short and worth reading in full:

See:

Who’s Afraid of Josh Shapiro?
The Pennsylvania governor called Benjamin Netanyahu “one of the worst leaders of all time.” But anti-Israel activists don’t want him on the Democratic ticket.

By Yair Rosenberg

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/josh-shapiro-netanyahu-jewish-vp/679300/
https://archive.is/XQXcM

“I personally believe Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the worst leaders of all time,” Shapiro told reporters in January, months before Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called for the Israeli leader to resign. At the time, Shapiro also pressed for an “immediate two-state solution,” something Netanyahu and his hard-right government stridently oppose. The anti-Shapiro campaign ignores these remarks but makes much of the governor’s comparison of campus Gaza protesters to “people dressed up in KKK outfits.” When he said that in an interview, however, Shapiro was distinguishing between bigoted extremists—such as the Columbia campus-protest leader who called for killing “Zionists”—and peaceful demonstrators, about whom the governor has said, “It’s right for young people to righteously protest and question.”


The whole article is great and punctures all the disinformation being spread by bad faith actors.

We can add Trump to the list of bad faith actors.

I have no horse in this race, I like them all. However Trump doesn’t get to pick.Harris does.



emulatorloo

(45,498 posts)
86. Yes, I included a non-paywall link in my post, right under the official link.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:42 PM
Aug 3

Article makes a good point that all the VP candidates are pro-Israel, yet anti-Israel activists are only targeting Shapiro.

Now Trump is adding his voice…probably because of Shapiro’s popularity in PA. From article:

A politician designed in a lab to help Democrats win pivotal Rust Belt swing states would probably look a lot like Josh Shapiro. In 2016, when Donald Trump won Pennsylvania by less than 1 percent of the vote, Shapiro was elected attorney general by nearly 3 percent. In 2020, when Joe Biden won the state by one point, Shapiro won reelection by more than four points. And in 2022, the Democrat took the governorship by a whopping 15 percent.

Today, Shapiro’s favorability in Pennsylvania stands at a commanding 61 percent, far outstripping Kamala Harris’s 49 percent in the state. Leaks from the Republican camp suggest that party strategists see the governor as one of their most formidable potential adversaries in a presidential campaign. There’s just one problem

DFW

(56,074 posts)
9. Trump isn't going to be bestowing lavish praise no matter who it is
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:50 AM
Aug 3

Does anyone here truly expect that Harris’ decision is going to cause Trump to say, “hey, I have to admit, that was a great choice!” Seriously? Who would that be?

If Harris picks Walz, Trump will say she has lost the foxtrot vote. So, let’s stop caring what Trump says about her VP pick. If she were to pick Cornell West, Trump would note that she had lost Tim Scott’s vote. So what? Did she ever have Tim Scott’s vote in the first place? We don’t crow that Trump picking Vance lost him the sane people’s vote, because he wasn’t going to get most of that group’s vote in any case.

By the way, if Trump thinks the Palestinian vote is so vital, let’s see how much time he spends specifically courting Palestinians during the campaign. How many joint campaign appearances will he hold with Rashida Tlaib? Anyone wish to hazard a guess?

jimfields33

(18,261 posts)
22. I would hope all VP candidates are ready for the onsought that will bappen by the republicans
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 09:02 AM
Aug 3

That’s typically what happens no matter what. We didn’t ignore trump’s pick. Why would they?

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
42. No that isn't true...Waltz is a good guy but can't deliver PA. Game over for Trump if we get PA.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:49 AM
Aug 3

And after all the negative things said about a popular PA governor...we might actually lose support in PA. He needs to be the VP pick.

AkFemDem

(2,025 posts)
15. What????
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:06 AM
Aug 3

One doesn’t “turn Jewish”, you’re either born that way or convert. Shapiro literally met his wife in Hebrew school so….

North Shore Chicago

(3,886 posts)
16. *clears throats
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:11 AM
Aug 3

This was mocking trump. Check out what he said at the conference with the black journalists in Atlanta, he argued that V.P. Harris had just "recently turned black."

Vinca

(50,801 posts)
14. I think all of her choices are good. I love Shapiro, but Pennsylvania needs him, too.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:38 AM
Aug 3

After hearing Mark Kelly, I think I'm leaning his way. It would be amusing to watch Trump try to bash a former astronaut/military guy whose wife was nearly killed by a bullet. Kelly brings Gabby Giffords, too, a powerful voice re the ongoing gun nightmare.

FakeNoose

(35,059 posts)
19. Excellent point - Mark Kelly would be a wonderful choice
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:50 AM
Aug 3

Gov Shapiro needs to stay here in Pennsylvania and make the Repukes walk the straight and narrow. It has been on his watch for the last 3 or 4 elections because he was our Attorney General before he was elected Governor 2 years ago. Gov. Josh was relentless keeping watch over the elections here so the Repukes couldn't steal it.

If he joins Kamala's campaign I'm afraid what will happen in Pennsylvania. The Repukes will definitely try to take advantage.

calimary

(83,622 posts)
57. My only hesitation is adding another Westerner to a ticket that's led by a Westerner..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:14 PM
Aug 3

I think she’ll need some geographical balance and a Pennsylvanian sounds like a really good idea.

TBF

(33,493 posts)
39. Trump will bash each & every candidate up & down. That is what he does.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:16 AM
Aug 3

If our goal is to please Trump with our VP pick, then we need to think about what we are doing.

soandso

(608 posts)
79. That may be right
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:30 PM
Aug 3

Is there a Harris voter who will not vote for her because of the VP pick? I don't think so. IMO, people vote party and president.

getagrip_already

(16,967 posts)
27. Didnt he just say vp picks dont mean a thing? Lol
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:46 AM
Aug 3

Really, the guy just went on and on saying vp picks dont mean a dsmn thing. That you are only voting for the top of the ticket and the vp is meaningless to the electorsl cslculus.

So which is it?

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
48. No, nice try. But Trump knows if we win PA it is game over. Shapiro can deliver PA...Waltz is a
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:55 AM
Aug 3

good guy but he can't deliver PA. After the all-out attacks on Shapiro I am not sure at this point... we can win PA without Shapiro.

Lulu KC

(3,122 posts)
34. Um, okay, I know what you were trying to say here, fella
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:56 AM
Aug 3

But "the Palestinian vote?" Does he not mean the "Arab-American vote" or the "Friends of Gaza" vote? It's like he can't tell the difference between "the Jewish vote" and "the Israeli vote."

I continue to scream into the abyss.

lees1975

(5,339 posts)
35. He must be afraid of having Josh Shapiro on the Democratic ticket.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:57 AM
Aug 3

Lose the "Palestinian vote" to whom? Him? They're not that naive or stupid.

Being Jewish doesn't automatically translate over to being wholly supportive of Netanyahu, not even in Israel.

XorXor

(678 posts)
38. Hasn't Shapiro also offered criticism of Netanyahu?
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:11 AM
Aug 3

I'm going to venture to guess that most of the people on the far-left who will not vote for a Kamala/Shapiro ticket probably wouldn't vote for a Kamala/Anyone ticket anyway. They are the people who use terms like genocide-Joe, who attacked/attack Harris for being a "cop", called Elizabeth Warren a "snake", and claimed Buttigieg was hatched in a cloning vat in a Langley basement. Anything short of bringing Castro, Mao, or Stalin back to life to govern the US isn't going to make those folks happy.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
66. Yes he has...it is posted somewhere some don't want him because he is Jewish...has to be
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:01 PM
Aug 3

because all the candidates are on the same page with this issue...the only difference is he is Jewish. If we lose PA, we lose the election and our Republic.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
88. This is not convincing...I would hope the governor would have not support Hamas terrorists...and that is why I have no
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:25 PM
Aug 3

use for them myself. One of their leaders is Nina Turner...I promise you we won't get any votes from these folks so lets not get AIPAC involved and lose the Jewish vote which is larger and could affect a number of states.

After the horrific Hamas attack of last Oct. 7, several dozen Pennsylvania-based Muslim groups wrote a letter protesting Gov. Shapiro’s one-sided comments: “Not only did you fail to recognize the structural root causes of the conflict," they argued, "you chose to intentionally ignore the civilian loss of life in Gaza.” Those folks chose to ignore the murder of Israelis by Hamas.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
89. No he hasn't...that is just BS. He was a volunteer. I don't care what he did in college. God forbid some of my exploits
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:46 PM
Aug 3

were used against me publicly. He condemned Netanyahu. And called out protesters who were harassing Jewish students and vandalizing crap...the voucher thing is a lie...as is the IDF...he went to a Kibbutz. And there was some sort of paper for his college classes. This is an attack by anti-semites who don't want Shapiro because he is Jewish. Why else would all the other candidates who have the same view be OK? I am convinced of this and frankly, it is sickening.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
50. Jamal Bowman lost his primary in New York when he sided with protestors. It cuts both ways.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:57 AM
Aug 3

I liked Jamal and was sorry this happened.

Cha

(303,515 posts)
104. Good Point about Bowman Losing and BEING A dsa
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 11:59 PM
Aug 4

member that Celebrated October 7 happening on October 8 in NYC.

I was glad he lost.. and George Latimer Won

Pleases check out Rep Latimer Elect talking on CNN after his Victory.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/george-latimer-jamaal-bowman-new-york-16-primary/index.html

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
40. The rightwing is afraid of Shapiro...he cleaned their clock in the Governor's race and is very popular. He
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:40 AM
Aug 3

will deliver PA and we will win the election.

jg10003

(1,019 posts)
41. It's all about PA. tfg knows PA is a must win
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:43 AM
Aug 3

For Harris. If Harris loses PA she loses the election. Everything else is just noise.

Demsrule86

(70,703 posts)
51. And this is why she needs to pick Shapiro...there is no fucking way we should take a chance on losing because of
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:01 PM
Aug 3

Palestianians, Israelis or little green men from Mars. Shapiro gives us PA + we win=Trump loses..the mathematics work!

TBF

(33,493 posts)
67. 100% and that is why we are seeing all the "not Shapiro" posts this week -
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 3

all of a sudden so much *concern* ... the right wing knows he is a very good pick. Not only is he the very popular governor of a must-win swing state, but he is also moderate which scares them. They want the Nikki Haley voters to come back to them - not be pulled to the dems. Republicans may not be the kindest folks on earth, but they can do math. They clearly understand the electoral college, and we need to as well.

RandomNumbers

(18,084 posts)
46. How refreshing! An entitled white male telling minorities and their supporters what they think!
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:52 AM
Aug 3


(I really hope that's not needed )

claudette

(4,304 posts)
52. No, he won't
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:06 PM
Aug 3

lose any votes. NO Dem in their right mind would vote for Dumpy or anyone else in this important election. As VP, Shapiro would have practically NO say in the decisions regarding our deals with Israel. Biden has tried to talk to Nuttyahoo but even the president can't change the criminal dictator's mind to stop killing innocents.

Traildogbob

(9,715 posts)
61. Like he has them
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:38 PM
Aug 3

In HIS pocket. The Palestinians will buy up all those Kushner beach front condos.
Jr and Eric will be vetting the applications to get into those Condo’s and place a “P” on the applicants to be rejected.
Also a little too Colored to be residents, in trump buildings.
Watched John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight, about the battle of land between Palestinian and Jewish people. Damn eye opening. Really exposed Bibi and his henchmen.
I had no idea how screwed up it all is.

osteopath6

(63 posts)
62. Palestinian vote?
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:42 PM
Aug 3

One could just as easily say she'd risk the coveted and highly influential AIPAC nod by picking somebody other than Shapiro? 🤷?♀️

cornball 24

(1,503 posts)
65. 1. Trump spews feces each time he opens his anus mouth! 2. Kamala will make
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:00 PM
Aug 3

the right V.P. decision based on her knowledge and the information that she has recently acquired. 3. Just sayin'!

TBF

(33,493 posts)
73. I did a search on that and found a good article on Forbes -
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 02:46 PM
Aug 3

apparently it was earlier this year. Kushner was speaking at Harvard. From Forbes: "Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner is facing criticism over comments he made at a February talk at Harvard University, where he said Gaza’s waterfront property could be “very valuable” and Israel could “move the people out, and then clean it up"...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/03/20/heres-what-jared-kushner-said-about-gazas-waterfront-property-and-where-its-been-said-before/

TBF

(33,493 posts)
105. He specifically said "move the people out, and then clean it up"
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:19 AM
Aug 5

I don't know what he means deportation out of the country precisely, or if it's just the beachfront he's concerned about. I would love for the press to interview him and get more details.

Cha

(303,515 posts)
72. And TSF Will Get It.. That's the Way It Works.. Do the Math..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 02:46 PM
Aug 3

Not talking to you.. Talking to the Muslims.

epreic01

(188 posts)
76. I think he's a great choice
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:53 PM
Aug 3

I just worry there isn’t enough time to clean up this perception and it’s a distraction and could lose some momentum. BUT I could be wrong. And he is such a great speaker and so so sharp. It may not matter if he costs us votes in some places. He may gain us votes in others. And really his position will be on her position. So it’s really up to her.

karynnj

(59,831 posts)
78. Typical Trump mischief
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:58 PM
Aug 3

Also nonsense. Harris is running against him, who does he think will get the majority of the Palestian American voters? Not to mention, his real attack might be that if she does NOT pick Shapiro it is because she favored Palestians over Jews.

Needless to say if she picks Shapiro be prepared for Trump allies to attack him using antisemitic memes.

GoodRaisin

(9,454 posts)
81. That statement is all about keeping PA in play, for Trump, is all
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:50 PM
Aug 3

I can really take from it. Palestinians know that a future for them is a disaster if Trump were to win. They may not like Shapiro but they will hate Trump, and I expect enough to still go and vote (unless they are really stupid).

lees1975

(5,339 posts)
99. Harris is going to win PA with or without Shapiro.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:22 PM
Aug 4

She's energized the Democratic base and they outnumber the Republicans in PA by about a million voters. Turnout wins elections for Democrats in PA, we lost it in 2016 because the turnout was about 2% lower than it had been four years earlier, and we won it in 2020 because Democratic turnout went up almost 3%. For the first time in decades, Democrats swept statewide offices in Pennsylvania across the board over the course of four election cycles and retook control of a state legislative body in which Republicans had a super majority in 2018.

She wins PA by at least 5%.

applegrove

(122,073 posts)
101. Shapiro is very popular in Pennsylvania. That is much more important
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:41 PM
Aug 4

than the Michigan Palestinian vote. And who are the Palestinians going to vote for? Trump whose son in law is already rubbing his hands at Gaza ocean front real estate like Jarred is?

103. We give Trump too much credit
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 11:14 PM
Aug 4

Aggrandizing by analyzing his every dose of drivel as if up against 5D chess grandmaster, when 90% of time its no more strategic than poking closest bear in opportunistic attention grab. After 3 campaigns, good news is the predictability of his unpredictability and its power to shock and land punches is wearing thin. His voice now drowning in 12yrs of his own same old shit. And zeitgeist indicates it’s by ignoring that Americans could sink it for good.

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