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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump: "She'll lose the Palestinian vote if she picks Shapiro".
* Im only posting this as information. Not trying to stir up support or non support for Shapiro. Ill happily support him if hes our Veep choice.
On CNN this morning about 5:15am as part of a story about the selection process, they carried the Trump statement giving his opinion about Harris choosing Shapiro.
Who knows why he would say this. Reverse psychology?
Trump just being Trump and enjoying playing pundit?
No matter his motivation, I did find it interesting that he said this.
Just passing that along.
Once again, Im not advocating for or against the choice of Shapiro.
I only want Harris to make the best choice to help her win.
As we all here do.
Think. Again.
(16,310 posts)Edit to add:
But honestly, trump would have something negative to say about whichever candidate people were most discussing, and stirring up division on the Left is a basic tactic of the right.
Irish_Dem
(55,824 posts)He is afraid of Shapiro.
Grins
(7,775 posts)Hes saying: Pick Shapiro and I will win Michigan.
He wants Shapiro. Whether that pick would swing Michigan I dont know. And dont want to find out.
Maybe Shapiro will see that as a political flaw in his persona and work to change that impression, thus gaining new supporters.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)We must win PA. Thus Shapiro is the best choice.
Grins
(7,775 posts)And Trumps people sure saw that!
Pennsylvania isn't the only critical state.
And I dont believe undecided Pennsylvania voters are suddenly going to think, Oh! She picked my governor! Ill vote for her!
Im only hoping she picks the best qualified.
DiamondShark
(975 posts)MaryMagdaline
(7,611 posts)I live in a heavily Democratic county - Broward. Many Democrats are under pressure to switch to Trump because he is pro-Israel. Netanyahu clearly wants trump to win. I know, I know. The fact that 70 per cent of Israelis want Netanyahu gone does not negate the fact that Netanyahu has been the face of Israel since the Clinton years. Even Democrats who are in favor of two state solution are worried that the Democratic Party is turning away from Israel.
I am not sure that Joshs pro-Israeli stance is not an asset to our chances of winning. He could solidify Jewish vote (solidly Democratic) and suburban vote (leans Democratic).
It might just be that in order to save Israel we need a strong push to create a two state solution coming from Democrats. A Democrat got the State of Israel; a Democrat got peace with Egypt; only democrats can get a peaceful solution. We offer something other than the Rapture.
Every time I think Shapiro will hurt us, I keep thinking of his absolute energy and strong moral compass. President Harris will need a bulldog - Bobby Kennedy type - in her administration.
I still lean Walz for labor vote and experience. Either way we are sooooo lucky.
And F Donald Trump. Shapiro is his worst nightmare. He knows Shapiro helps with white women voters. He will steal the Haley voters.
TBF
(33,493 posts)on this board now. That should not be happening to any democratic governor, but they are out in full force and arguing up and down that they don't like his "policies", while figuring out how to work his religion into the conversation.
I think the right wing is extremely nervous about Gov Shapiro for 2 reasons - he is moderate (school vouchers being the most obvious issue) and Pennsylvania has 19 electoral votes. Republicans had been very adept at using the electoral college & this has to be foremost on their mind.
Think. Again.
(16,310 posts)...but I have a disproportionate number of people here CLAIMING there is Shapiro-bashing.
It's weird.
TBF
(33,493 posts)because I've been supporting him since his run for governor in Pennsylvania (I'm in Texas - there aren't too many other state level folks that catch my eye but he was one of them I've actually donated to).
Just because you haven't noticed it doesn't mean it's not happening.
Think. Again.
(16,310 posts)...divisive posts anyway.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,388 posts)You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
Sugarcoated
(8,034 posts)Obviously he doesn't want her to pick Shapiro. The governor will kick them in the balls, hard and repeatedly, and crooked Donnie and his people know it
madaboutharry
(41,117 posts)He is trying to divide the Jewish community. He has been saying Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews. Which, btw, is actually antisemitic.
Kamala choosing Shapiro would undercut that bullshit.
Trump is an idiot. The overwhelming majority of Jews hate Trump.
Sugarcoated
(8,034 posts)Or maybe his people are telling him that Shapiro would be bad news for them. He's a Philly boy from the City Line section of the city. Middle to upper middle class. Tough but smart tough
ProudMNDemocrat
(18,586 posts)Her husband, Doug Emhoff, is one.
Damn! Is CF#45 DUMB!
yardwork
(63,536 posts)That's what he does.
LAS14
(14,322 posts)' He has been saying Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews. '
And, of course, the great majority of Jews in this country are listening carefully to what he is saying for guidance.
:SARCASM: (How do you make that yellow sarcasm script with the arrow like things?)
spooky3
(35,690 posts)Maybe use lower case only
JI7
(90,175 posts)or a bad jew or whatever the fuck he has been saying.
underpants
(185,667 posts)Shapiro could be see as an approval of or appeasement to Israel. The youth vote is vital and this could dampen donations enthusiasm and turn out. Not all of it but as close as its going to be we need every single vote.
Dorian Gray
(13,702 posts)is really something that seems to be a problem in our party. A man who doesn't support Netanyahu, who has spoken about Netanyahu more harshly than some of his non-Jewish VP candidates, is seen as appeasement to Israel. Why?
This is "JFK will be more loyal to the Pope than our country" discriminatory thinking.
There are reasons to debate whether Shapiro is the best candidate, but his being Jewish seems to be the prevailing "negative" in a lot of people's minds. And I think that's really shitty.
underpants
(185,667 posts)and it might be racist but its also widely considered to be the case. I like Shapiro but a lot of people are short attention span.
Dorian Gray
(13,702 posts)and I understand the fear, but I think if they determine he's the best candidate and helps Harris win the Presidency (he's extraordinarily popular in purple state PA, and those electoral votes would go far), then we need to go all in and not allow the people who hold his jewish heritage against him lead the conversation. Now is the time for debate, and it may very well come to pass that his positions on Charter schools or world matters etc. may not coincide with the vision Harris has as the leader, but, I think when democrats say they don't want him bc of his Israel position (which is not really different than any other potential candidate), they should be challenged for that. Big time. Their issue is that they think he's a "zionist." But any of the candidates would fall into that descriptor if they want a two state solution. So why is his case different? Oh... he went to a Jewish school with Jake Tapper? (That was a big meme going around on Twitter today and it's discriminatory.)
onandup
(658 posts)nt
"Shapiro could be seen as approval and appeasement to Israel." The only difference between his opinion and the other candidates opinions... is that he is Jewish.
onandup
(658 posts)Hm.
Dorian Gray
(13,702 posts)And support for a 2 state solution. so, yes.
But if you think I am incorrect, I'd love for you to explain how Shapiro's views are more kowtowing to Israel than any of the others.
But I think what we are seeing all over the place (not just with Shapiro) is something that makes it very hard to differentiate between Israel and Bibi and between Palestinians and Hamas. I really wish I could figure out why there is so little room for nuanced understanding on this, broadly. I'm sure there's a name for this in academia. Conflation is the closest I can come.
Cha
(303,515 posts)Bigots to Call the Shots on who gets Chosen for Harris' VP. Pretty sure she wouldn't either.
Oh and TSF can FO.
MorbidButterflyTat
(2,537 posts)Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)leaders in the Palestinian protest thing... including Nina Turn...none will vote for us.
emulatorloo
(45,498 posts)May 2: Gaza and the 2024 Presidential Election
by Ed Kilgore, May 2nd, 2024 5:50 PM EST
https://thedemocraticstrategist.org/2024/05/may-2-gaza-and-the-2024-presidential-election/
Poll results showed that two issues closely associated with under-30 voters the Israel-Hamas war and student debt relief may not be especially consequential ones when it comes to casting votes.
Just 14% of those under 50 say they are following the war extremely or very closely, roughly half the share among those over 50 (30%). Consistent with their lower levels of attention, younger Americans are also less likely to know key facts about the ongoing war, based on their responses to three knowledge questions included on the survey.
underpants
(185,667 posts)I just dont think you stop a ball thats helping you from running downhill
emulatorloo
(45,498 posts)Additionally Shapiro calls for an immediate 2 state solution and is very harsh on Netanyahu.
See this article. If you get a chance, it is short and worth reading in full:
See:
Whos Afraid of Josh Shapiro?
The Pennsylvania governor called Benjamin Netanyahu one of the worst leaders of all time. But anti-Israel activists dont want him on the Democratic ticket.
By Yair Rosenberg
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/josh-shapiro-netanyahu-jewish-vp/679300/
https://archive.is/XQXcM
The whole article is great and punctures all the disinformation being spread by bad faith actors.
We can add Trump to the list of bad faith actors.
I have no horse in this race, I like them all. However Trump doesnt get to pick.Harris does.
underpants
(185,667 posts)emulatorloo
(45,498 posts)Article makes a good point that all the VP candidates are pro-Israel, yet anti-Israel activists are only targeting Shapiro.
Now Trump is adding his voice
probably because of Shapiros popularity in PA. From article:
Today, Shapiros favorability in Pennsylvania stands at a commanding 61 percent, far outstripping Kamala Harriss 49 percent in the state. Leaks from the Republican camp suggest that party strategists see the governor as one of their most formidable potential adversaries in a presidential campaign. Theres just one problem
Sky Jewels
(8,606 posts)They like Walz a lot.
DFW
(56,074 posts)Does anyone here truly expect that Harris decision is going to cause Trump to say, hey, I have to admit, that was a great choice! Seriously? Who would that be?
If Harris picks Walz, Trump will say she has lost the foxtrot vote. So, lets stop caring what Trump says about her VP pick. If she were to pick Cornell West, Trump would note that she had lost Tim Scotts vote. So what? Did she ever have Tim Scotts vote in the first place? We dont crow that Trump picking Vance lost him the sane peoples vote, because he wasnt going to get most of that groups vote in any case.
By the way, if Trump thinks the Palestinian vote is so vital, lets see how much time he spends specifically courting Palestinians during the campaign. How many joint campaign appearances will he hold with Rashida Tlaib? Anyone wish to hazard a guess?
jimfields33
(18,261 posts)Thats typically what happens no matter what. We didnt ignore trumps pick. Why would they?
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)And after all the negative things said about a popular PA governor...we might actually lose support in PA. He needs to be the VP pick.
MorbidButterflyTat
(2,537 posts)Trump will say she has lost the foxtrot vote."
Brilliant!
North Shore Chicago
(3,886 posts)just recently turn Jewish?
AkFemDem
(2,025 posts)One doesnt turn Jewish, youre either born that way or convert. Shapiro literally met his wife in Hebrew school so .
North Shore Chicago
(3,886 posts)This was mocking trump. Check out what he said at the conference with the black journalists in Atlanta, he argued that V.P. Harris had just "recently turned black."
AkFemDem
(2,025 posts)I thought Id landed in some alternate universe to DU 😅
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,084 posts)even when it is hopefully obvious.
DiamondShark
(975 posts)Vinca
(50,801 posts)After hearing Mark Kelly, I think I'm leaning his way. It would be amusing to watch Trump try to bash a former astronaut/military guy whose wife was nearly killed by a bullet. Kelly brings Gabby Giffords, too, a powerful voice re the ongoing gun nightmare.
FakeNoose
(35,059 posts)Gov Shapiro needs to stay here in Pennsylvania and make the Repukes walk the straight and narrow. It has been on his watch for the last 3 or 4 elections because he was our Attorney General before he was elected Governor 2 years ago. Gov. Josh was relentless keeping watch over the elections here so the Repukes couldn't steal it.
If he joins Kamala's campaign I'm afraid what will happen in Pennsylvania. The Repukes will definitely try to take advantage.
calimary
(83,622 posts)I think shell need some geographical balance and a Pennsylvanian sounds like a really good idea.
TBF
(33,493 posts)If our goal is to please Trump with our VP pick, then we need to think about what we are doing.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)Maeve
(42,810 posts)soandso
(608 posts)Is there a Harris voter who will not vote for her because of the VP pick? I don't think so. IMO, people vote party and president.
Thrill
(19,244 posts)😂😂
ColinC
(10,188 posts)Hes terrified of Shapiro
DiamondShark
(975 posts)TFG is afraid of Harris, Biden, multiple states AG, DOJ, etc, etc.
yellowcanine
(36,207 posts)That is all.
C_U_L8R
(45,460 posts)The idiot is a shitty poker player. His fear is showing.
getagrip_already
(16,967 posts)Really, the guy just went on and on saying vp picks dont mean a dsmn thing. That you are only voting for the top of the ticket and the vp is meaningless to the electorsl cslculus.
So which is it?
LAS14
(14,322 posts)Emile
(28,138 posts)Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)good guy but he can't deliver PA. After the all-out attacks on Shapiro I am not sure at this point... we can win PA without Shapiro.
Lulu KC
(3,122 posts)But "the Palestinian vote?" Does he not mean the "Arab-American vote" or the "Friends of Gaza" vote? It's like he can't tell the difference between "the Jewish vote" and "the Israeli vote."
I continue to scream into the abyss.
lees1975
(5,339 posts)Lose the "Palestinian vote" to whom? Him? They're not that naive or stupid.
Being Jewish doesn't automatically translate over to being wholly supportive of Netanyahu, not even in Israel.
XorXor
(678 posts)I'm going to venture to guess that most of the people on the far-left who will not vote for a Kamala/Shapiro ticket probably wouldn't vote for a Kamala/Anyone ticket anyway. They are the people who use terms like genocide-Joe, who attacked/attack Harris for being a "cop", called Elizabeth Warren a "snake", and claimed Buttigieg was hatched in a cloning vat in a Langley basement. Anything short of bringing Castro, Mao, or Stalin back to life to govern the US isn't going to make those folks happy.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)because all the candidates are on the same page with this issue...the only difference is he is Jewish. If we lose PA, we lose the election and our Republic.
Sky Jewels
(8,606 posts)Also, he did volunteer work for the IDF after college.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)use for them myself. One of their leaders is Nina Turner...I promise you we won't get any votes from these folks so lets not get AIPAC involved and lose the Jewish vote which is larger and could affect a number of states.
After the horrific Hamas attack of last Oct. 7, several dozen Pennsylvania-based Muslim groups wrote a letter protesting Gov. Shapiros one-sided comments: Not only did you fail to recognize the structural root causes of the conflict," they argued, "you chose to intentionally ignore the civilian loss of life in Gaza. Those folks chose to ignore the murder of Israelis by Hamas.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)were used against me publicly. He condemned Netanyahu. And called out protesters who were harassing Jewish students and vandalizing crap...the voucher thing is a lie...as is the IDF...he went to a Kibbutz. And there was some sort of paper for his college classes. This is an attack by anti-semites who don't want Shapiro because he is Jewish. Why else would all the other candidates who have the same view be OK? I am convinced of this and frankly, it is sickening.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)not saying you...of course.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)I liked Jamal and was sorry this happened.
Cha
(303,515 posts)member that Celebrated October 7 happening on October 8 in NYC.
I was glad he lost.. and George Latimer Won
Pleases check out Rep Latimer Elect talking on CNN after his Victory.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/george-latimer-jamaal-bowman-new-york-16-primary/index.html
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)will deliver PA and we will win the election.
jg10003
(1,019 posts)For Harris. If Harris loses PA she loses the election. Everything else is just noise.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)Palestianians, Israelis or little green men from Mars. Shapiro gives us PA + we win=Trump loses..the mathematics work!
TBF
(33,493 posts)all of a sudden so much *concern* ... the right wing knows he is a very good pick. Not only is he the very popular governor of a must-win swing state, but he is also moderate which scares them. They want the Nikki Haley voters to come back to them - not be pulled to the dems. Republicans may not be the kindest folks on earth, but they can do math. They clearly understand the electoral college, and we need to as well.
Beachnutt
(7,958 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,084 posts)(I really hope that's not needed )
sarisataka
(20,603 posts)What one does not have
Anyway I sincerely doubt she is listening to him for advice.
claudette
(4,304 posts)lose any votes. NO Dem in their right mind would vote for Dumpy or anyone else in this important election. As VP, Shapiro would have practically NO say in the decisions regarding our deals with Israel. Biden has tried to talk to Nuttyahoo but even the president can't change the criminal dictator's mind to stop killing innocents.
Srkdqltr
(7,357 posts)calimary
(83,622 posts)There DEFINITELY is that!
33taw
(2,668 posts)Traildogbob
(9,715 posts)In HIS pocket. The Palestinians will buy up all those Kushner beach front condos.
Jr and Eric will be vetting the applications to get into those Condos and place a P on the applicants to be rejected.
Also a little too Colored to be residents, in trump buildings.
Watched John Olivers Last Week Tonight, about the battle of land between Palestinian and Jewish people. Damn eye opening. Really exposed Bibi and his henchmen.
I had no idea how screwed up it all is.
osteopath6
(63 posts)One could just as easily say she'd risk the coveted and highly influential AIPAC nod by picking somebody other than Shapiro? 🤷?♀️
cornball 24
(1,503 posts)the right V.P. decision based on her knowledge and the information that she has recently acquired. 3. Just sayin'!
Scrivener7
(52,203 posts)TBF
(33,493 posts)apparently it was earlier this year. Kushner was speaking at Harvard. From Forbes: "Donald Trumps son-in-law Jared Kushner is facing criticism over comments he made at a February talk at Harvard University, where he said Gazas waterfront property could be very valuable and Israel could move the people out, and then clean it up"...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/03/20/heres-what-jared-kushner-said-about-gazas-waterfront-property-and-where-its-been-said-before/
keithbvadu2
(39,394 posts)TBF
(33,493 posts)I don't know what he means deportation out of the country precisely, or if it's just the beachfront he's concerned about. I would love for the press to interview him and get more details.
Cha
(303,515 posts)Not talking to you.. Talking to the Muslims.
epreic01
(188 posts)I just worry there isnt enough time to clean up this perception and its a distraction and could lose some momentum. BUT I could be wrong. And he is such a great speaker and so so sharp. It may not matter if he costs us votes in some places. He may gain us votes in others. And really his position will be on her position. So its really up to her.
karynnj
(59,831 posts)Also nonsense. Harris is running against him, who does he think will get the majority of the Palestian American voters? Not to mention, his real attack might be that if she does NOT pick Shapiro it is because she favored Palestians over Jews.
Needless to say if she picks Shapiro be prepared for Trump allies to attack him using antisemitic memes.
GoodRaisin
(9,454 posts)I can really take from it. Palestinians know that a future for them is a disaster if Trump were to win. They may not like Shapiro but they will hate Trump, and I expect enough to still go and vote (unless they are really stupid).
ecstatic
(34,099 posts)If we're divided, he wins.
lees1975
(5,339 posts)She's energized the Democratic base and they outnumber the Republicans in PA by about a million voters. Turnout wins elections for Democrats in PA, we lost it in 2016 because the turnout was about 2% lower than it had been four years earlier, and we won it in 2020 because Democratic turnout went up almost 3%. For the first time in decades, Democrats swept statewide offices in Pennsylvania across the board over the course of four election cycles and retook control of a state legislative body in which Republicans had a super majority in 2018.
She wins PA by at least 5%.
Sugarcoated
(8,034 posts)I hope it's that decisive
applegrove
(122,073 posts)than the Michigan Palestinian vote. And who are the Palestinians going to vote for? Trump whose son in law is already rubbing his hands at Gaza ocean front real estate like Jarred is?
Agent Orange Tabby
(12 posts)Aggrandizing by analyzing his every dose of drivel as if up against 5D chess grandmaster, when 90% of time its no more strategic than poking closest bear in opportunistic attention grab. After 3 campaigns, good news is the predictability of his unpredictability and its power to shock and land punches is wearing thin. His voice now drowning in 12yrs of his own same old shit. And zeitgeist indicates its by ignoring that Americans could sink it for good.