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CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | OP |
Raster | Dec 2012 | #1 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #2 | |
Raster | Dec 2012 | #5 | |
rwsanders | Dec 2012 | #38 | |
indepat | Dec 2012 | #41 | |
Comrade_McKenzie | Dec 2012 | #3 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Dec 2012 | #6 | |
TahitiNut | Dec 2012 | #29 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Dec 2012 | #4 | |
Hell Hath No Fury | Dec 2012 | #7 | |
monmouth3 | Dec 2012 | #8 | |
Initech | Dec 2012 | #9 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #17 | |
DemoTex | Dec 2012 | #10 | |
Mira | Dec 2012 | #11 | |
DaveJ | Dec 2012 | #12 | |
hifiguy | Dec 2012 | #13 | |
MindPilot | Dec 2012 | #46 | |
Paper Roses | Dec 2012 | #14 | |
lobodons | Dec 2012 | #15 | |
nadinbrzezinski | Dec 2012 | #16 | |
SalviaBlue | Dec 2012 | #18 | |
ismnotwasm | Dec 2012 | #19 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #20 | |
The Wielding Truth | Dec 2012 | #21 | |
99Forever | Dec 2012 | #22 | |
leftstreet | Dec 2012 | #23 | |
hue | Dec 2012 | #24 | |
Enrique | Dec 2012 | #25 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #26 | |
ReallyIAmAnOptimist | Dec 2012 | #49 | |
patrice | Dec 2012 | #27 | |
Whovian | Dec 2012 | #28 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #30 | |
Matariki | Dec 2012 | #31 | |
texshelters | Dec 2012 | #32 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #36 | |
ProfessionalLeftist | Dec 2012 | #33 | |
docgee | Dec 2012 | #34 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #35 | |
texshelters | Dec 2012 | #37 | |
jsr | Dec 2012 | #39 | |
otohara | Dec 2012 | #40 | |
gateley | Dec 2012 | #42 | |
James48 | Dec 2012 | #43 | |
Post removed | Dec 2012 | #44 | |
Overseas | Dec 2012 | #45 | |
Ganja Ninja | Dec 2012 | #47 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #48 |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:54 AM
Raster (20,467 posts)
1. Thanks for posting, Peggy!
Kick!!!
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Response to Raster (Reply #1)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:58 AM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
2. You're welcome, my dear Raster!
As soon as I saw it, I KNEW it had to come over here.
I knew the ratio was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad. ![]() |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:59 AM
Raster (20,467 posts)
5. oh yes, it is beyond bad. It is a DISGRACE!
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Response to Raster (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:10 PM
rwsanders (1,701 posts)
38. I remember a Nightline episode back in the early 90's when the ratio was closer to 50:1
Ted Koppel interviewed the Japanese head of Sony and asked him what was wrong with American business:
1. Ratio of CEO pay to worker pay. 2. Lack of input from workers into how company is run. 3. Lack of job security. |
Response to Raster (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:11 PM
indepat (20,899 posts)
41. This disgraceful ratio is brought to you by a corrupt and venal Congress which has largely promoted
the welfare of special interests (the 2% including large corporations) rather than the general welfare since the days the Gipper spread his bountiful wisdom on the nation.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:59 AM
Comrade_McKenzie (2,526 posts)
3. We need a cap on CEO pay that makes it 20:1. nt
Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:00 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
6. Not a cap, per se ...
just make everything above that 20:1, non-deductible.
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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:43 PM
TahitiNut (71,611 posts)
29. I'd like to see Senior Executive pay ALL be after-tax ... like dividends.
As far as I'm concerned, they're just acting as proxies for ownership. Agents. Their "compensation" is nothing different than ownership taking money out of the business. Like dividends.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:59 AM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
4. Not being a geographer; but ...
with the exceptions of Italy and Mexico, as one trends Westward, the gap increases.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:01 PM
Hell Hath No Fury (16,327 posts)
7. Shared!
Fantastic graphic.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:02 PM
monmouth3 (3,871 posts)
8. I knew it was bad but this is outrageous.. Whoah...n/t
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:46 PM
Initech (86,583 posts)
9. Along those same lines watch the end credits from the Will Ferrell flick "The Other Guys":
Response to Initech (Reply #9)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:18 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
17. Wow, very slick!
And a lot of information! Wish i could slow it down so I could really absorb all the data...
Thank you! |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:51 PM
DemoTex (24,374 posts)
10. Factor in their preferential tax treatment ..
.. and US CEOs make out like bandits.
(Oops! I forgot. They often ARE bandits!) This is the DU member formerly known as DemoTex.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:53 PM
Mira (21,977 posts)
11. YUP - they're definitely the job creators
![]() utterly disgusting, heart breaking, country destroying situation |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:07 PM
DaveJ (5,023 posts)
12. American culture is based on the slave economy
I don't mean to use the word "slave" lackadaisically, but that's how our country has founded and the same mentality exists today and probably forever. They think we need to be motivated by masters who are unapproachable in power. I would love for this notion to change, though.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
13. Years ago I read that Akio Morita, the founder of Sony,
never took a salary of more than about $100,000 per year and lived in a modest apartment in Tokyo. Yeah, this was back in the 1970s, but Morita was quoted as saying that it would be "inappropriate" and unseemly to take more money.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #13)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:13 AM
MindPilot (12,693 posts)
46. I worked for Sony for many years...that is true.
Unfortunately, now that Morita has passed, the company seems to be dying too.
Although Sony tended to take on some of the corporate culture of whatever country they were operating in, they never let you forget that Sony is a Japanese company. The executives still had nice offices, but it wasn't unusual to see upper management working in cubes right alongside everyone else. They felt isolated in the big corner offices the American corporate culture provided. |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
Paper Roses (6,798 posts)
14. Wow!. No wonder I came home from Xmas shopping in a real 'down' mood.
I can't spend on Christmas gifts what these folks probably spend on a dinner out.
Something is wrong here folks. |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:15 PM
lobodons (1,290 posts)
15. GOP response to graph
Then move to Japan why don't you.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:16 PM
nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)
16. This is a perfect setup
For social unrest.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:21 PM
SalviaBlue (2,676 posts)
18. Good one!
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:22 PM
ismnotwasm (40,010 posts)
19. Oh wow
That is awesome, thank you. I collect these things for wallpaper on my iPad--makes for interesting conversation
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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #19)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:25 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
20. I believe that!
Oh, to be a fly on the wall in your house!
Or wherever you're having your conversations... ![]() |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:28 PM
The Wielding Truth (11,269 posts)
21. I had no idea it was this bad!
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:32 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
22. But.. but.. but...
.. they are the job creators and we are merely expenses that stifle the Holiest God of Profit.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:34 PM
leftstreet (32,596 posts)
23. DURec
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:35 PM
hue (4,949 posts)
24. Thanks and posted on FB-->to go viral!!
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:35 PM
Enrique (27,461 posts)
25. for people interested in the sourcing
ignore their "ruling", PolitiFact's rulings are worthless. But their information about where these numbers come from is very good imo.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/10/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-ceo-worker-pay-ratio-has-obscu/ |
Response to Enrique (Reply #25)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:37 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
26. Thanks for the link!
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Response to Enrique (Reply #25)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:22 PM
ReallyIAmAnOptimist (357 posts)
49. Thanks! Unsourced data makes me crazy...
...I'd sure like to see some up to date reliable data in a similar chart though.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:37 PM
patrice (47,992 posts)
27. Authentically shocking. Values??????
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:38 PM
Whovian (2,866 posts)
28. I like it with music.
Response to Whovian (Reply #28)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:52 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
30. I'm sorry.......I missed your post....
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:19 PM
Matariki (18,775 posts)
31. There needs to be a day of reckoning.
Just saying...
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:23 PM
texshelters (1,979 posts)
32. I hate to harp on this
but what is the source? I believe this is true, but is it too much to ask for a link or a citation?
PTxS |
Response to texshelters (Reply #32)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:19 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
36. Please see Post #34.
The picture I took from Facebook had no attribution.
And it is certainly not too much to ask! |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:52 PM
ProfessionalLeftist (4,982 posts)
33. Politifact fact-check:
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We located a scanned version of the paper on the Internet, and it did appear to be written by Prof. Mark Kroll. His institution wasn’t listed, but after some additional searching, we found that Kroll had been teaching at the Louisiana Tech College of Business in 2005 and that he is now the business dean at the University of Texas at Brownsville. But it turns out he didn’t write the paper after all.
"Actually, I am the ‘recipient’ of the paper you refer to," Kroll told us in an e-mail. "The paper was done as a class project by three of my students in a graduate class back in 2005. The 475-to-1 ratio that you reference is listed in a table in the paper the students wrote. They do not give a specific citation for the data in the table." The paper’s cover sheet fooled us -- as it fooled others -- because the professor’s name appears in the middle of the page, and the three students’ names appear together at the bottom in a less prominent spot. We tried to reach the co-authors -- Adam Choate, Dana Rowzee and Jerrod Tinsley, all of whom were working on their Master of Business Administration in 2005 -- but we did not hear back. So how about the substance of the chart? From previous fact-checks, we knew that American CEOs are generously paid, and we had confirmed that for ordinary Americans, incomes are stagnating. But on the specific comparison of CEO pay and average-worker pay, we found two liberal groups -- the Economic Policy Institute and the Institute for Policy Studies -- that have produced long-running studies of this question. . . . . . .the most recent ratio from the Institute for Policy Studies is also smaller -- for 2010, it was 325 to 1. In previous years the ratio on two occasions has exceeded 475 to 1 -- to be specific, 516 to 1 in 1999 and 525 to 1 in 2000. MORE... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/10/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-ceo-worker-pay-ratio-has-obscu/ |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:54 PM
docgee (766 posts)
34. This is exaggerated... Here are the real figures:
Response to docgee (Reply #34)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:18 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)
35. Thank you........this does appear to be accurate. n/t
Response to docgee (Reply #34)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:26 PM
texshelters (1,979 posts)
37. Thanks for
the citation and info. It's still bad, as you make clear.
PTxS |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:10 PM
jsr (7,712 posts)
39. Great chart.
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:11 PM
otohara (24,135 posts)
40. PolitFact Rating This as FALSE
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:03 PM
gateley (62,683 posts)
42. Infuriating! K&R!
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:47 AM
James48 (2,816 posts)
43. keeper. n/t
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:07 AM
Overseas (12,121 posts)
45. K&R. Very clear reason we need more revenue from the top.
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:32 AM
Ganja Ninja (15,953 posts)
47. Remember this the next time someone tells you ...
American Business can't compete or when they start pissing and moaning about the corporate tax rate.
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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #47)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:51 AM
CaliforniaPeggy (136,227 posts)