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States should have the right to ban birth control... (Original Post) matmar Jan 2012 OP
Oh my kwolf68 Jan 2012 #1
he's only saying out loud what the anti-choice movement is really about. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #2
Right. elleng Jan 2012 #7
He better be careful ... his sweater vests could get banned as a result!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #3
LOL! Quantess Jan 2012 #10
Isn't his wife having an affair with her doc? YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #14
Santorum seems to be Mz Pip Jan 2012 #4
States don't have rights. States aren't people. toddwv Jan 2012 #5
That's what I keep telling my students ashling Jan 2012 #9
Fuck rick Santorum..Please, oh please be the nominee!! Ecumenist Jan 2012 #6
Attempting to understand his 'reasoning', if I may call it that customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #8
I believe his contention is to enact his wack-job theology into law.. matmar Jan 2012 #12
So then can state mandate that men have vasectomies, or at least condoms? Marnie Jan 2012 #11
Next, states will be able to tell a woman when she can nanabugg Jan 2012 #13
Douching really isn't good for you. YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #15

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. He better be careful ... his sweater vests could get banned as a result!!!
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 05:36 PM
Jan 2012

Statistics show that a man wearing a sweater vest has a 99.99999% chance of not getting anywhere close to having sex with a woman.

Which makes the sweater vest a more effective contraceptive than the combination of 2 condoms, birth control pills, and pictures of your girlfriend or wife's smiling parents on the night stand!!

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
5. States don't have rights. States aren't people.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jan 2012

States have authority.
That authority originates with people.
That does not mean that these people can do anything they want to other people.
That is why we have Constitutions at the federal level AND the state level.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
9. That's what I keep telling my students
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:57 PM
Jan 2012

The Constitution says nothing about State having rights. States have powers.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
6. Fuck rick Santorum..Please, oh please be the nominee!!
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jan 2012

They complain about the public assistence rolls now...WHAT THE FUCK does he think would happen if that happened? Most people cannot afford 8 and 10 kids!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
8. Attempting to understand his 'reasoning', if I may call it that
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:36 PM
Jan 2012

is that the Griswold decision was the first emergence of a general right of privacy in the interpretation of the Constitution. While the 4th Amendment is fairly clear about the right to have one's home, papers, etc. secure from warrantless searches, there is clearly not a right to do each and every thing one desires within the privacy of one's home. Even the language of the Griswold decision mentions "penumbras" and "emanations" of other constitutional protections, a very nebulous and suspicious concept indeed for moralizers.

Of course, the question arises: Where does this privacy begin, and government rights end? With no clear guidance from the Founders on this subject, other than the way the Crown treated colonial Americans and their reactions to it, it could evolve into anything. Indeed, the right to contraception without interference from the state has come to mean the right to abortion, and the right to other forms of non-procreative sexual behavior. It may someday be interpreted to protect the right to incest and polygamy, and that's why Santorum cites those examples.

His contention is that rights not spelled out in the Constitution as belonging to the Federal Government belong either to the states, or to the people. As time has gone on, that has meant to the people, but clearly at the time of original ratification of the Constitition, the states retained a great deal of rights over their citizens. He'd clearly like to go back to those days.

I'm not saying I agree with that, but I can at least articulate the opposing opinion well enough to be able to have a discussion with the other side about it.

 

matmar

(593 posts)
12. I believe his contention is to enact his wack-job theology into law..
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jan 2012

I still don't see how the denial of contraception equals less abortions. I see it as having the opposite effect.

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