Is the Palestinian coalition splitting apart?

[newdeal2]

At least on TikTok I'm seeing a divide between black/brown people who support the Palestinian cause but also plan to vote for Kamala and what I would call purists / far left / single issue voters who are attacking them for voting.

I don't think the latter group realizes how much damage they're doing and how many supporters they are losing.

Anyone else seeing something similar over the last few weeks? It's gotten very intense over the last few days.

[getagrip_already]

1. Not on tik tok or fb, but not surprised...

What ive seen is many are very binary. There is no grey. Either you are all in anti israeli and everything they say that goes with it or you are the enemy.

There is no in between.

That drives many away.

Not all mind you, bit for those that are vocal, it can appear they speak for most.

[newdeal2]

11. I've definitely seen that and expected it

But I'm shocked to see them attack (vulnerable) minority communities who say they are voting to stop Trump and Project 2025 from ruining their lives.

I've seen even crazier lines of attack but I won't bother repeating them.

[yardwork]

16. Nothing new.

Recall that pro-Palestinian protesters locked Black housekeeping staff in the building they were occupying overnight. When the housekeepers protested that they needed to get home to their families they were told "this is more important than you."

Also, remember that pro-Palestinians banged into a meeting of Black Democratic organizers and knocked down an elderly lady.

I could go on... plenty of incidents in which privileged white protesters yelled at, assaulted, and illegally detained Black people in the name of something something....

Tells me everything I need to know.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Don't forget the watermelon incident with Richie Torres.

[yardwork]

36. I think they also dived a watermelon poster in Hakeem Jeffries' face.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. So were those mfers charged with kidnapping?

Because that's kidnapping.

[electric_blue68]

28. Woah, hadn't heard of these. So Disrespectful, and Dangerous to do that!

[DFab420]

2. Seems like a cohort of them don't actually want to listen to solutions and just protest

And it’s beginning to exhaust the outrage they had tapped into earlier in the year.

Harris has specifically stated her position that a ceasefire must happen and that the hostages must be released while also standing firm on Israel’s right to exist.

Pretty much asked and answered. If you’re still protesting her and the Dems now the question comes back to why? What more can you expect?

[newdeal2]

13. If there's a silver lining

It's turning off a lot of people and giving them space to vote for Kamala in November.

I was previously worried about uncommitted or unmotivated young voters, but not any more.

[orange jar]

3. I've seen this, too.

Primarily on Twitter, though. Pro-Palestine people of color — especially Black women — are (rightfully) calling out the tone-deaf purity police pro-Palestine faction.

Personally, I saw this discourse blow up when some dumb ass tweet went viral that said something like "Americans deserve to suffer for Gaza" or some shit. Black Americans absolutely tore that poster a new one — and justifiably so.

Best part? That Twitter user who said Americans deserve to suffer was a Syrian Bashar al-Assad apologist.

[LeftInTX]

6. You mean that blue eyed "victim" who's married to a white woman? LOL

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Oh the hypocrisy!

Down thread, it was pointed out that she's also Syrian herself. I knew she was British, but just assumed she was British-British......

[orange jar]

9. Right, lol.

The Syrian girl who I'm referring to was as white as them, too.

I'm fairly certain that this schism has been building for a while, but it definitely was… something… to witness some clueless white girl explain to marginalized communities how they deserve to suffer even more because of something they can't control. Literally the exact same justification both Hamas used to invade Israel and that Netanyahu's using to bomb Gaza — faux moral superiority ploys to try and guilt a whole citizenry for something their government (that citizens cannot control the actions of!!!) is doing.

[LeftInTX]

15. So she's a brat. Yes, there are plenty of ME Americans who support Assad.

I know Syrian-Armenian Americans who support Assad. I'm Armenian myself. Assad supports the "status quo" and the upper class.

Many likely lean GOP anyway. It's more about Syria than America and she doesn't care about other stuff. Her family is likely well off, so it doesn't matter who wins in her mind.

Assad's supporters will turn it around to make sound like it's all about the "poor colonized, victimized brown people". Their hatred of Israel unites them more than anything.

It doesn't matter whether they're an Assad supporter or a supporter of his opposition. They hate Israel.


https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2013/08/31/protests-rallies-on-us-military-action-in-syria/2750811/

With regards to skin color among Syrians, it's quite variable and probably has little to do with economic status. I was being facetious over Assad cuz he just happens to be fair and is married to a European.
I'm sure they're also numerous fair skinned refugees and displaced Syrians. It seems to be more about political views than skin color over there.

[Ex Lurker]

22. A lot of Syrian Americans are from ethnic/religious minority communities in Syria

For all his tyranny Assad is a secularist and they are better off under him than they would be under a radical Muslim regime.

[LeftInTX]

27. Yes, He also represents stability.

The relationship is complex because before ISIS, it was more or less status quo. (Bickering and fighting)
Then the Arab Spring, which was anti-Assad. Then Assad unleashed this genocide. Then Obama became anti-Assad. However, Assad unleashed ISIS as part of his retaliation, then the Christians were really pissed at Obama.

Assad was one step ahead of everyone.

[Jk23]

37. Almost all Syrians are white.

I mean what race would you expect them to be?

[Celerity]

18. Asma Fawaz Akhras al-Assad (Arabic: أسماء فواز الأسد ) is an Arab, born and raised in London to Arab Syrian parents

Asma, second left at the back, with her parents



Fawaz Akhras (her father)



Sahar Otri al-Akhras (her mother)

[LeftInTX]

19. Oopps...My bad. I knew she was British, but didn't know she was Syrian!

[speak easy]

7. 'Syrians deserve to suffer for Bashar al-Assad'

[orange jar]

10. They don't.

This person was a Syrian-American, I'm pretty sure (which confuses me because, I guess, this means she's volunteering herself to suffer even more — although we all know she wouldn't), but she had tweets downplaying and straight up denying Assad's atrocities.

[LeftInTX]

4. I predicted this would happen.

Biden is white. He's a colonizer.
Kamala isn't white. She can't be a colonizer.

That's how some people think

Also some of the Palestinian Coalition are plain old "anti-old people". Seriously, they just don't want "old".
They associate Biden with "old"...Maybe because he was born in the 40's when Israel was formed?
Who knows? But many protesters just didn't want an old white guy.

Kamala isn't an old white guy....

[Sympthsical]

31. They can't call Harris what they want to call Harris

And you know that phrase is thisclose to flying out on Twitter.

Personally, I'm just waiting for it. It feels inevitable.

[H2O Man]

5. Lots of Democrats

recognize the need for a Palestinian state. And are horrified at the damage that Netanyahu has done to both Gaza and Israel. And that the Harris - Walz ticket provides the best chance to address this terrible situation.

Non-Democrats who are pro-Palestine weren't gooing to vote for our party anyhow. They will continue to exercise their Amendment 1 right to protest.

[bottomofthehill]

8. Fuck them, it's more fun to make noise and accomplish nothing

Than it is doing the hard work trying to reach a real solution. Keep blocking highways, that always helps your cause.

[LeftInTX]

12. The Arabs (including overseas) have been the ones pushing for the black Palestinian support for decades.

It started with the National of Islam in the 1960's. Malcolm X went to Saudi Arabia and they told him, "We want you to get the black population to turn against Jews and Israel". They have created extensive propaganda over decades. Listen to Louis Farrakhan.

They've worked on creating blocs to decrease US support for Israel among blacks.

[OneGrassRoot]

14. I'm following the same on TT. n/t

[BannonsLiver]

17. I'm not surprised

Imagine being black and being told by some cosplaying rich white college kid from Connecticut, who summers in Mantauk and mommy and daddy are in finance, that you should just turn your back on a black woman and stay home on Election Day over some issue that has zero impact on your life. I’m not surprised there is division.

[Ace Rothstein]

20. That cohort is never voting for a Democrat.

They vote Green every election or don't even vote at all.

[OneGrassRoot]

23. Right. It's the very LOUD demonization of others' voting choices that are the issue. n/ot

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. Most of the latter group are Green Party voters

They would be complaining about something else if the Gaza war never happened. They just hate Democrats. They even adopt right wing talking points to attack democrats while never saying a word against republicans. Their only real goal is to pretend they are morally superior to everyone else to feed their egos.

[DinahMoeHum]

26. GREEN - Getting Republicans Elected Every November

n/t

[LeftInTX]

29. I get the impression that most of the Green Party are rich and snobby.

They're the spoiled grandchildren and great grandchildren of the old anarchists from days gone by!

TBH, my grandparents were members of the socialist party. I was also spoiled. My dad wasn't a socialist..LOL

He was a Democrat who eventually became a Republican.

[SoFlaBro]

30. I fucking want the coalition to split apart. We support Democrats here not some fucking agenda, one-issue fuck-shit.

[Sympthsical]

32. Scorpions gonna scorpion

Of course, the best course of action is to not let them onto your back in the first place.

But hey, if you manage to shake it off before you're in the middle of the river, the other bank is reachable.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. "Killer Kamala". To date, I haven't seen a bigoted moniker for Walz, though I am sure it is in the works.

I hope the democrats take your advice and do a barrel roll in the middle of the swim.

[Sympthsical]

35. Wondering if they're dumb enough to try something in Chicago

Can you imagine? The historic first nomination of a Black woman for president (and likely winner), and those nutjobs trying to wreck the occasion and damage her?

Sometimes it really is best to let your opponent just do what's in their nature and trust it will go exactly as you expect.

College doesn't teach self-awareness, and that above all things in this redounds to our benefit.

[JI7]

33. There have been racist and misogynist attacks against her by the Islamist

types. These are religious conservatives and have never supported any liberal cause but since might have not been as open about their views on other things but it always comes out.

If you check other discussions you can see there was already division. Especially when it came to things like treatment of black people in places like the middle east.

These people have also been attacking Taylor Swift and Beyonce who both have a large following among democratic and liberal leaning women and girls.