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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:17 PM

WalMart: License to Kill?

Has anyone else been paying attention to the Escalating number of people WalMart security guards have killed in the last several weeks for shoplifting offenses? There's another one in the news today, and it seems like there have been a dozen or so executed on the spot by WalMart security guards since Black Friday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245074/Walmart-security-guard-shoots-shoplifting-mother-dead-parking-lot-tries-escape-young-children.html

Why is this being allowed to continue with impunity? Since when do we allow corporations to summarily play cop, judge, jury and executioner for misdemeanor offenses with nary a peep of public outrage?

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stranger81 Dec 2012 OP
peacebird Dec 2012 #1
cabot Dec 2012 #2
LARED Dec 2012 #3
stranger81 Dec 2012 #4
LARED Dec 2012 #13
loli phabay Dec 2012 #14
Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #33
loli phabay Dec 2012 #35
Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #37
loli phabay Dec 2012 #38
LARED Dec 2012 #40
loli phabay Dec 2012 #41
WinkyDink Dec 2012 #8
Riftaxe Dec 2012 #28
stranger81 Dec 2012 #5
jody Dec 2012 #6
stranger81 Dec 2012 #7
jody Dec 2012 #9
stranger81 Dec 2012 #11
Aerows Dec 2012 #10
loli phabay Dec 2012 #12
Aerows Dec 2012 #15
loli phabay Dec 2012 #17
loli phabay Dec 2012 #20
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #23
loli phabay Dec 2012 #24
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #26
bettyellen Dec 2012 #16
rsmith6621 Dec 2012 #18
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #19
loli phabay Dec 2012 #21
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #22
loli phabay Dec 2012 #25
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #27
loli phabay Dec 2012 #31
Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #30
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #32
Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #34
loli phabay Dec 2012 #36
Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #42
loli phabay Dec 2012 #43
loli phabay Dec 2012 #39
-..__... Dec 2012 #29

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:34 PM

2. Unfortunately, according to the Houston Chronicle

The off-duty cop/security guard thought he was going to be dragged and feared for his life, so he fired. If the woman had not tried to drive away with the cop hanging on to her car door, he "probably" wouldn't have fired his gun. Probably - but who knows? I just hope there is a fair investigation that gets to what really happened. She certainly didn't deserve to lose her life over some petty bullshit crime.

I'm not familiar with the other cases you mention but it definitely gives another reason not to shop at wal-mart (I don't).

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:59 PM

3. Executed on the spot????

 

I don't know much about the story, but I am willing to bet that no one was "executed on the spot"

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Response to LARED (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:08 PM

4. Shot and killed in the WalMart parking lot.

I think that fits the definition.

Since when did we start giving the death penalty, without trial or even formal charges, to small-time shoplifters? And why is WalMart getting away with doing this somewhere in the US basically every other day???????

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:56 PM

13. This does not sound like any one was executed on the spot

 

'I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point,' said Thomas Gilliland, Harris County Sheriff’s Office.


Tragic and idiotic by both parties.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:57 PM

14. it wasnt walmart who told him to use deadly force. he made tbat decision and i wasnt there

 

To second guess if he was in fear of death or serious injury. I willnwait for more info before i start a mob.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:46 PM

33. How do you know what walmart told him?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:35 PM

35. well in my expert opinion they didnt tell him to kill shoplifters

 

Now can you show where walmart tells security especialy off duty cops to kill shoplifters. I will wait.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:38 PM

37. I don't claim to know--you did

'I will wait' --so clever.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:53 PM

38. well as i said thees no way walmart told an off duty cop that they had to kill shoplifters

 

Now the outrageous claims that walmart tells their security to kill shoplifters was made and im waiting to see any evidence of this. Yes i will wait.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:30 PM

40. You might be right

 

It could be a corporate policy to execute shop lifters on the spot.

The 80 year old greeters are now packing heat, just in case.

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Response to LARED (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

41. rofl dont be surprised if this is the next accusation.

 

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Response to LARED (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:41 PM

8. It's right there in the OP.

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:48 PM

28. Where she tried to run him over?

You think that is not an appropriate time to defend oneself?

I suspect there is something very wrong with you.

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:10 PM

5. I must say, I'm a little surprised that the only interest in this story here

Is to defend the killers. Sad statement about this country, IMHO.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:16 PM

6. Why are you surprised after you chose to play "judge, jury" after reading an article on the internet

 

Intelligent people will wait until the facts are in before reaching a conclusion on such matters.

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Response to jody (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:39 PM

7. Right -- the problem here is with people who

Object to the summary killing of shoplifters, not with the persons doing the killing, or the corporations apparently sanctioning or ordering that kind of treatment. Intelligent people would clearly raise no objection to such incidents until they happen to them. My bad.

What is this, North Korea? RimJob's website?

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:48 PM

9. Have a blissful evening and goodbye. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:51 PM

11. And . . . . My Ignore list gets more company.

Right back atcha.

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:51 PM

10. They had a video

 

of a guy who had his face literally smashed in by cops at Wal-mart for shoplifting. Shoplifting is obviously a crime, but I'm not entirely sure it is worthy of beating the shit out of someone.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:55 PM

12. havent seen the video but he was probiably taken to the ground for resisting not shoplifting

 

It dosent matter what the original crime is if you start to fight the vops then it raises the reaction from them.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:00 PM

15. I'll try to find the video

 

the people that saw it happen were horrified, and said that all the man did was shoplift. If he was resisting arrest, I doubt he would have garnered that reaction from the crowd. Don't get me wrong - police officers have to be able to defend themselves, but I think on occasion they do go too far in subduing people.

Edited to add link to video.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:05 PM

17. yup sometimes they do but they uave to effect the arrest and its hard to judge what you are up

 

Against so the idea is to finish the fight as quickly as possible to avoid escalation to more lethal methods. Sometimes it can look worse than it was meant to be as when you do a takedown sometimes the fall can injure someone more than intended.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:10 PM

20. wish they had caught the takedown as we have no idea the amount of force used or if he simply hit

 

The ground hard and was fighting or passively giving in. In any physical altercation injuries happen even in training. Ive broke numerous bones just sparring and practising techniques where ive fallen wrong or stumbled against a hold.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:18 PM

23. It's just like the Rodney King video

We didn't get to see what he did to make those officers pummel him.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:21 PM

24. you do realise in this video all you see is the cops cuff him and then render first aid

 

So the videos are a lot different but im sure you know that and dont have the honesty to see them as different situations.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:24 PM

26. LOL!

"im sure you know that and dont have the honesty"

Right.

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:05 PM

16. And the recent factory fire- their compliance people signed off on it's safety very recently.

 

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:09 PM

18. Come on Folks... USE COMMON SENSE



Even most police departments have policys where they will call off a chase or a foot pursuit.

My GOD the reallity of this that whatever she and her partners took wasnt justifyable cause for a ARMED store security officer to put themselves in danger way. After all in reallity the store cost of what they took was probaly about 25% of the Always Low price tags.


Walmart wants everything. they have medical clinics in their stores and they are looking into selling funeral plans... now their security has guns so what is next..providing citys a police force???

The store security has much more blame, it was their decission to grab on to the vehical, I frankly with just the facts of the story think security overstepped the line and in reallity did not use anymore sense than the suspected shopliffter. Store security put themseves in danger not the dead suspect. I dont think a street cop would have gone this far.

Security could have used their energy getting the plate number and let law authoritys do their job.



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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:09 PM

19. Why do security guards at stores need guns?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:15 PM

21. i think he was an off duty cop working a sevurity gig.

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:17 PM

22. And?

Why does he need to bring his gun to his non-police job?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:23 PM

25. you know just about every cop carries off duty as they still have arrest powers and a duty

 

To intervene in crimes in progress though it is better to be a good witness.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:26 PM

27. I wonder which part of the bag they keep it in when they golf

Keeping it in the holster will alter their swing too much.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:30 PM

31. nope a paddle holster in the small of the back allows you play golf easily.

 

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:26 PM

30. in-uniform cops always carry a gun. nt

 

nt

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Response to Blackhawk44 (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:38 PM

32. Of course they do (in this country)

Now what about security guards?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:54 PM

34. off-duty in-uniform cops always carry a gun .

 

does that answer your question?

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Response to Blackhawk44 (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:38 PM

36. yup especially in uniform and i dont know any who dont off duty

 

You even have to qualify yearly if you carry a different weapon off duty than on.

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Response to Blackhawk44 (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:29 PM

42. No actually

Does it bring the dead woman back from the grave? No as well.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:32 PM

43. yes actually if your wearing your uniform your carrying your weapon

 

Unless you forgor it then you screwed up.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:56 PM

39. i think he was an off duty cop working a second job as security

 

Its very common to work security as a second job as you already have traing and the mere presence of an off duty cop standing or sitting on your premises is a detterence.

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Response to stranger81 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:02 PM

29. What was she shoplifting?

 

Make-up?




and it seems like there have been a dozen or so executed on the spot by WalMart security guards since Black Friday


Links or it didn't happen... or at least it didn't happen that way?

After chasing Frey and the other two women to their car, Campbell opened the door and commanded them to stop, but the car was placed in drive and moved forward.

Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy Thomas Gilliland said, 'He confronted the suspects at exit of the store before they left. One female wouldn't stop, struck the deputy with her purse, ran off.'

'I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point.'


She wasn't shot for shoplifting, she was shot for putting the life of the cop involved, and others, in jeopardy.

Inside the car as it was speeding away were two small children - investigators have said that they were not Frey's children.


Nice way to raise a family, and place them in danger to boot.

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