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JohnSJ

(96,725 posts)
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:04 PM Oct 9

That Quinnipiac makes the comment that there are "cracks in the blue wall", based on their latest polling, is nonsense.

Making a conclusion on one poll is ridiculous.

The fact is all the legitimate pollsters, including Quinnipiac indicate that this election is too close to call.

In other words the consensus among the pollsters is pretty consistent, and they act as a control for each other.

Being ahead within the MOE, does not mean you are ahead, and if one pollster indicates a value outside the MOE compared to other pollsters that don't indicate that, it might mean it could be an outlier.

That being said, the problem I have with pollsters today is that I don't think they adequately account for those who won't answer calls from numbers they don't recognize, and with all the spam calls out there, that might be significant.

Regardless, we will know shortly the accuracy of the current polls.


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JohnSJ

(96,725 posts)
2. Based on what? You realize in general it agrees with the other pollsters, this election is too close to call.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:07 PM
Oct 9
 

RJ_MacReady

(448 posts)
3. I don't believe it is
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:09 PM
Oct 9

I believe ALL polling is highly flawed. I will go as far as to say polling is a dead metric.

JohnSJ

(96,725 posts)
7. That may be. As I said the main issue I have is those who won't answer calls from numbers they do not recognize, or
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:15 PM
Oct 9

even those who don't want to answer questions from pollsters because they view those questions as too personal, such as level of education, age, race, etc.

I am not sure that is factored in properly.


Jersey Devil

(10,347 posts)
6. Polls aere pretty static - It's all about turnout now
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:14 PM
Oct 9

Barring any catastrophic events I don't see any major changes in the polls before the election. Whoever does a better GOTV job will win imo. I am optimistic due to all the reports that Dems have a much better ground game. We'll see very soon.

Vogon_Glory

(9,590 posts)
9. My personal experience with pollsters is that they
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:26 PM
Oct 9

call me on my land line (which I maintain but seldom use) or they like to jog my elbow when I’m busy. If I’m in the bathtub or busy with a project I can’t put down, I won’t drop everything just to answer a junk call.

When I do answer a pollster, I seldom make them happy. If I agree to answer polling questions that are “only supposed to last a couple of minutes,” and then drag on past five minutes or more, I lose patience and hang up. Be honest and up front. Play it straight and I’ll co-operate. Lie to to me and I turn instantly hostile.

I may be an outlier, but my deference and patience only goes so far. Pollsters and junk callers are uninvited guests infringing on my time: they have no reason to expect me to pull out the welcome wagon and serve them the fatted calf. If that messes up their sample, that’s. (Expletive adverb) darn bad.

 

RJ_MacReady

(448 posts)
10. This
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:37 PM
Oct 9

Polls were more accurate decades ago because the level of spam calls was far lower. Nowadays the worlds is much faster paced and most people don't answer unfamiliar phone numbers. These are just facts that some refuse to acknowledge. All polls show today is what people who answer the phone think. They probably called 100,000 people to get these responses. Thats not accurate at all.

LiberalFighter

(53,502 posts)
11. There are too many factors that are different from past elections
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:45 PM
Oct 9

As a retiree I get too many Medicare Advantage calls and other junk calls on my landline.

Flatrat

(163 posts)
12. Didnt we learn from the polls in the last elections
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 06:54 PM
Oct 9

That polls are bullshit.

Why the obsession with them?

 

onandup

(701 posts)
13. Yep - this election is razor thin
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:02 PM
Oct 9

Kamala is up a couple of points but the electoral college looms large.

JoseBalow

(5,456 posts)
14. Have you noticed that the June27ers are always interested in polling?
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:22 PM
Oct 9

I have noticed several curious patterns from the class of 6/27 - 6/28

Those that haven't yet ffr'd, that is

Fiendish Thingy

(18,659 posts)
15. Both Trump leads in WI and MI were within the MOE.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:35 PM
Oct 9

There were more republicans than Dems in both the WI and MI polls.

LeftinOH

(5,415 posts)
16. If social media feeds can be flooded with bad actors & bots with intent
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:38 PM
Oct 9

to sway the narrative, then surely polls can be. The phenomenon of disruptive "red wave" polls already exists (Simon Rosenberg has been on to this for a long time) -- it would be a logical next step to manufacture "red responders." With Musk on team MAGA, this doesn't seem like a totally off-the-wall possibility, does it?

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