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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThat Quinnipiac makes the comment that there are "cracks in the blue wall", based on their latest polling, is nonsense.
Making a conclusion on one poll is ridiculous.
The fact is all the legitimate pollsters, including Quinnipiac indicate that this election is too close to call.
In other words the consensus among the pollsters is pretty consistent, and they act as a control for each other.
Being ahead within the MOE, does not mean you are ahead, and if one pollster indicates a value outside the MOE compared to other pollsters that don't indicate that, it might mean it could be an outlier.
That being said, the problem I have with pollsters today is that I don't think they adequately account for those who won't answer calls from numbers they don't recognize, and with all the spam calls out there, that might be significant.
Regardless, we will know shortly the accuracy of the current polls.
RJ_MacReady
(448 posts)Hasn't been credible in 3 years.
JohnSJ
(96,725 posts)RJ_MacReady
(448 posts)I believe ALL polling is highly flawed. I will go as far as to say polling is a dead metric.
JohnSJ
(96,725 posts)even those who don't want to answer questions from pollsters because they view those questions as too personal, such as level of education, age, race, etc.
I am not sure that is factored in properly.
WarGamer
(15,603 posts)GOTV wins the day.
obamanut2012
(27,846 posts)Jersey Devil
(10,347 posts)Barring any catastrophic events I don't see any major changes in the polls before the election. Whoever does a better GOTV job will win imo. I am optimistic due to all the reports that Dems have a much better ground game. We'll see very soon.
Vogon_Glory
(9,590 posts)call me on my land line (which I maintain but seldom use) or they like to jog my elbow when Im busy. If Im in the bathtub or busy with a project I cant put down, I wont drop everything just to answer a junk call.
When I do answer a pollster, I seldom make them happy. If I agree to answer polling questions that are only supposed to last a couple of minutes, and then drag on past five minutes or more, I lose patience and hang up. Be honest and up front. Play it straight and Ill co-operate. Lie to to me and I turn instantly hostile.
I may be an outlier, but my deference and patience only goes so far. Pollsters and junk callers are uninvited guests infringing on my time: they have no reason to expect me to pull out the welcome wagon and serve them the fatted calf. If that messes up their sample, thats. (Expletive adverb) darn bad.
Polls were more accurate decades ago because the level of spam calls was far lower. Nowadays the worlds is much faster paced and most people don't answer unfamiliar phone numbers. These are just facts that some refuse to acknowledge. All polls show today is what people who answer the phone think. They probably called 100,000 people to get these responses. Thats not accurate at all.
JohnSJ
(96,725 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,502 posts)As a retiree I get too many Medicare Advantage calls and other junk calls on my landline.
Flatrat
(163 posts)That polls are bullshit.
Why the obsession with them?
onandup
(701 posts)Kamala is up a couple of points but the electoral college looms large.
JoseBalow
(5,456 posts)I have noticed several curious patterns from the class of 6/27 - 6/28
Those that haven't yet ffr'd, that is
obamanut2012
(27,846 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(18,659 posts)There were more republicans than Dems in both the WI and MI polls.
LeftinOH
(5,415 posts)to sway the narrative, then surely polls can be. The phenomenon of disruptive "red wave" polls already exists (Simon Rosenberg has been on to this for a long time) -- it would be a logical next step to manufacture "red responders." With Musk on team MAGA, this doesn't seem like a totally off-the-wall possibility, does it?