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SocialDemocrat61
(3,406 posts)Is it just big rallies?
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)According to the article
SocialDemocrat61
(3,406 posts)brush
(58,662 posts)"Howard Stern", "The Late Show" with Steven Colbert, "The Breakfast Club" with Charlemagne Tha God, "60 Minutes", on the cover of "Vanity Fair" magazine, with more to come with her media blitz.
All of those appearances garner way more eyeballs than trump's rallies, which is why VP Harris advises people to pay attention to trump's rallies, where more and more audience members are leaving his long, meandering, word salad spews, so they can see his mental decline for themselves.
There are more ways to get your policies out to voters than rallies.
It was said she wasn't doing enough media appearances so now she's doing them. Now it's being said she's not doing enough rallies.
Seems she can't win, but IMO she is as new polls announced on "Morning Joe" this morning show that she's more that caught up with trump since starting behind with Biden numbers. She's ahead or even with trump, even in the battleground states.
servermsh
(1,406 posts)Just go to C-SPAN's schedule page and go over the past three weeks.
servermsh
(1,406 posts)Trump is out there getting coverage of his speeches every day. Day after day.
Anyone can just go to C-SPAN's schedule page to see it for themselves! The Harris campaign needs to do more.
Raven123
(6,306 posts)Also, Harris is doing a lit of interviews. TFG supposedly is not.
krawhitham
(4,931 posts)kimbutgar
(23,997 posts)Makes sense to do more events this month and grab the headlines and tv news.
And the orange turds rallies are the same old shit of him complaining how he is persecuted and immigrants are bad and he is the greatest blah blah blah shit.
Sure, but one can easily make the argument that the things that Trump says during his events are far more damaging to him than helpful.
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)Also, do you expect Harris to say damaging stuff to her campaign. It is better for her to go out there then do less.
I agree that Harris and Walz need to get out there more, all Im saying is that Donnie does himself more damage the more events he does.
agingdem
(8,541 posts)his profanity laced whines and Hitler-speak appeals to his base...and his base is stagnant...Trump's everywhere/all at once playbook makes him look desperate and unhinged...when his minders are advising him to tone down his murderous immigrants/bad genes/vermin/mass deportation rhetoric they know he's losing voters not because they will vote for Kamala but because they will stay home and not vote at all..
helpisontheway
(5,304 posts)hard to get her elected then I want them out there working harder. I want them to do a few rallies a day. Then if she loses she will be able to say that she did everything possible. Now if she loses I will wonder, what if she spent more time in PA? What if she did a few more rallies in Michigan? Im not talking about last month! Kamala and Walz were doing debate prep. However, they and young and there is no excuse to slow down during the final weeks of this election. Three more weeks..Work hard and rest later..
bigtree
(90,752 posts)...no one is working harder than the Harris campaign.
Tim is out there EVERY DAY, and there are dozens of high profile surrogates out there right now, fanning out across the country in big rallies that aren't reported.
Trump has ZERO surrogates holding rallies for him, and his VP pick can't manage a crowd larger than the reporters following him.
Trump has ZERO surrogates holding rallies for him, and his VP pick can't manage a crowd larger than the reporters following him.
And not just any surrogates, either! Two ex-presidents plus a high-level republican.
displacedvermoter
(3,419 posts)conceivably could be party nominees themselves down the road. They are going all hands on deck, drawing big crowds in their own right and generating excitement as well as more volunteers and donations.
I am forced to agree, we seem unwilling to show any confidence in our candidates or our own efforts. We keep waiting for something bad, instead of something wonderful, to happen. We are like our own NY Times Dems in Disarray headline.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)There's a woman's march on November 2. We're not going back!!
https://wewontgoback.com/march
displacedvermoter
(3,419 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 12, 2024, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Goodness, you likely have no clue what is being done, or will be done, in this final three weeks.
I have yet to see a misstep since she became the nominee, and anticipate continued efficiency and energy.
Keep up all your hard work, and I believe all will be well.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)I call the blitz of interviews & media appearances last week 'getting out there.' Tim Walz even had a twitch event on screen at one of his events!
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)bigtree
(90,752 posts)...everyone needs to remember that the VP isn't just gallivanting around the country. She's a sitting VP with more responsibilities than campaigning.
That said, it can't be discounted how influential and impressive it's been watching the VP perform any of her myriad duties, like the hurricane relief efforts she was bolstering the past weeks with her presence and encouragement in the states affected, broadcasted around the country in repeating reports.
Besides, these rallies attract a mere fractio9n of the views that social media and tv appearances generate. This isn't the 50's where retail politics was novel and more influential than media. This is still a media campaign, and nothing is going to attract more voters than what's on the tube or people's phones.
Trump is racking up fart reports and attacks on people living in America. And, after all, it was the VP herself who suggested folks watch these lurid and shameful rallies of his where he talks about everyone but himself..
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)Ok he didn't have 2 hurricanes in 2 weeks, but Obama had arguably more on his plate because he was the sitting president.
bigtree
(90,752 posts)...the comparison is absurd.
We need to stop pretending that these rally appearances are more important than media coverage in generating support in this modern political age.
Trump can't match VP Harris in major media appearances because, he's afraid to show up, and she has the benefit of generating even more coverage based on her official duties and the gravitas that affords the VP.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)Botany
(73,058 posts)
pay people to attend. Which rally does not have full houses? Which rally has non stop
lies? Which rally has the main speaker shitting into his underwear? Which rallies are filled
with joy, love, positive energy & ideas, and has ,LA and the Coach?
Aepps22
(336 posts)Back when she first started campaigning she was doing more rallies but the feedback was that people needed to know more about her and she needed to do more interviews in traditional and non traditional media outlets. She did that. Rallies are important but I trust her and her team that they know what theyre doing
Lovie777
(16,259 posts)even Republicans are getting tired of this shit.
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MarineCombatEngineer
(14,739 posts)those "polls" are pure bullshit.
Stop spreading RW talking points.
Lovie777
(16,259 posts)enough.
bigtree
(90,752 posts)...October:
Kamala Harris kicks off a busy week of media appearances, from 'Call Her Daddy' to Howard Stern and 'The View'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-kicks-off-a-busy-week-of-media-appearances-from-call-her-daddy-to-howard-stern-and-the-view/ar-AA1rNdaM
Harris Visits Georgia After Hurricane Helene, Promising Federal Help
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/harris-georgia-hurricane-helene.html
Kamala Harris Visits North Carolina to Check on Hurricane Response
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/us/politics/kamala-harris-north-carolina-hurricane-helene.html
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)Ocelot II
(122,644 posts)and volunteer to advise the Harris campaign, since clearly you know more about how to do it than they do - Assuming you're getting your expertise from *sigh* the Beltway geniuses at Politico.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)Everybody knows better than the coach and the quarterback.
Quiet Em
(1,524 posts)Whitmer, Shapiro, Evers, Walz. It's going to be great.
OrlandoDem2
(2,426 posts)Quiet Em
(1,524 posts)Awesome. I need to find one near me.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)The we won't go back march!!
https://wewontgoback.com/march
Quiet Em
(1,524 posts)
bigtree
(90,752 posts)GREENVILLE, N.C. (WTVD) -- Vice President Kamala Harris will return to North Carolina this weekend.
Her campaign said she would host a campaign rally in Greenville on Sunday afternoon. She will arrive in the city at around 11 a.m. and will deliver remarks at around 4:40 p.m. at the event.
This will be her 19th visit to the Tar Heel state this election cycle.
https://abc11.com/post/2024-election-vice-president-kamala-harris-hosts-campaign-rally-greenville-north-carolina-sunday/15416095/
GoCubsGo
(33,406 posts)And, more opportunities for JP/JD Mandel...errr...Vance, or whatever name he is currently going by, to show what a creepy, fascist weirdo he is. I don't think their constantly being in peoples' faces is going to help them in the long run. Lots of people are already sick of Trump, as it is. This will just add to the numbers.
As for Harris and Walz, they've been going where they're going to reach the people they most need to reach. That's why they've been on the late night shows, The View, The Howard Stern Show, various highly popular podcasts... I'd rather they spent their funds and time on that, ads, and other means of reaching the largest audiences than on rallies.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)But probably not going to make up for their lack of a strong ground game.
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)I don't see any harm if they sent at least Walz to other "R strongholds" like Florida, Iowa, or Texas. It is probably too late for that and clearly not in their campaign strategy.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)They can also make the difference between winning by a hair or losing by a landslide (and vice versa)
bucolic_frolic
(48,382 posts)kansasobama
(1,589 posts)Many disagreed when I said that couple of days ago. But, look at the fact. Harris was ahead when she did rallies. Trump has caught up, not overtaken, as he has started doing rallies when Harris is not doing it. She is in TV interviews. This is not sufficient.
Hope she does more rallies and we will see her regain couple of points.
Having said that, bottom line is many our countrymen are racists and misogynists. Obama pretty much said misogyny dominates across races. Pathetic if at least 45% of the people are that.
lees1975
(6,223 posts)There are more than 20 right wing, Republican or Trump campaign funded "polls" factoring into the averages.
The billionaires who support him are finding a lot of ways to use their money and dropping propaganda like this is one of them.
Aepps22
(336 posts)Im not seeing the correlation between her not doing as many rallies to changing polls. The biggest factor IMO are the hurricanes and the rightful coverage of them. When Trumps crazy isnt being covered the polling seems to swing. His largest leads were when he was silent during the summer when Joe was still the nominee and the party was trying to pivot.
OrlandoDem2
(2,426 posts)Team Harris/Walz has more energy than a 78 year old man. Whether media/podcaat/rallies we need to be working 24-7!
clutterbox1830
(456 posts)I didn't make this post to be a "Negative Nancy". I want Harris to do anything possible within their means to win this election. Do more events or media tours are always an option imo.
MarineCombatEngineer
(14,739 posts)than the Harris/Walz campaign?
Better get in touch with them and advise them that they're not doing enough according to you.
Keepthesoulalive
(985 posts)Because we have nothing to do with how they choose to run their campaign. And maybe they know something about campaigning that we dont.
onandup
(701 posts)They were electric and created a lot of positive buzz.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)Unless I can see a list of each date and place and nature of the event, Im calling bullshit.
IIRC, in early September, there were articles saying Trump was only scheduled for 1-2 events per week, so show me the data. Appearing in front of a dozen people claiming to be auto workers, who are actually paid actors, is not the same as holding a rally for 20,000 people.
lees1975
(6,223 posts)which reached somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 million people combined, far more than the number of people who show up at Trump's rallies. She had three appearances in one day in Arizona, while Walz did, too, so I wonder, who put this list together and how credible is it really. She was somewhere doing something every day of the month so this looks like more of the same media bias that we have been seeing all along, they're pissed because she wants to control her schedule, not him. Better those major appearances than the rallies where Vance gets a couple hundred and Trump maybe 1,500 or 2,000. And I really don't think this is an accurate list, given the fact that she was in the news every day during the month speaking somewhere, doing something. She made three campaign appearances in one day, in Phoenix, Tucson and Douglas, Arizona, so I think this is a media biased bogus way of categorizing "events".
Walz made three appearances in Wisconsin one day last month, and three in one day in Pennsylvania.
2naSalit
(94,937 posts)The fact that they both still have their day jobs?
Pototan
(2,264 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,375 posts)Thats not including Walz or surrogates, so there are even more.
Sep 02, 2024 - Campaign Event in Detroit, Michigan
Sep 02, 2024 - Campaign Event in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Sep 04, 2024 - Campaign Event in North Hampton, New Hampshire
Sep 10, 2024 - Campaign Event in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sep 12, 2024 - Campaign Event in Greensboro, North Carolina
Sep 12, 2024 - Campaign Event in Charlotte, North Carolina
Sep 13, 2024 - Campaign Event in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
Sep 14, 2024 - Political Event
Sep 14, 2024 - 2024 Phoenix Awards Dinner
Sep 17, 2024 - Conversation with the National Association of Black Journalists in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sep 17, 2024 - Voter Registration Event in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sep 18, 2024 - Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute's 47th Annual Leadership Conference
Sep 19, 2024 - Moderated Conversation with Oprah Winfrey at a Unite for America 2024 Event in Farmington Hills, Michigan
Sep 20, 2024 - Campaign Event in Atlanta, Georgia
Sep 22, 2024 - Political Event in New York City
Sep 25, 2024 - Campaign Event in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Sep 27, 2024 - Campaign Event in Douglas, Arizona
Sep 28, 2024 - Political Event in San Francisco, California
Sep 29, 2024 - Political Event in Los Angeles, California
Sep 29, 2024 - Campaign Event in Las Vegas, Nevada
Source: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/advanced-search?field-keywords=&field-keywords2=&field-keywords3=&from%5Bdate%5D=09-01-2024&to%5Bdate%5D=10-01-2024&person2=&category2%5B0%5D=8&category2%5B1%5D=68&category2%5B2%5D=56&items_per_page=100&f%5B0%5D=field_docs_person%3A342180
Blue Owl
(55,190 posts)
dpibel
(3,496 posts)I know, I know. This is ABC. It is, therefore, impeccable and unimpeachable.
But, gosh. Here is a paragraph from the ABC article linked in the OP:
So the reporters here use the term "has announced," which implies that the announced event hasn't happened yet. They also say "Walz is set," which is a clear, unambiguous statement that they are talking about something that has not yet happened.
Superfun fact: The date of the ABC article is October 10!!!
Oh.
Why is that a superfun fact?
Because every single one of those future engagements mentioned in the ABC article (pretty much labeled as "a feeble effort to catch up with the energetic and vital True President) had already happened when the article was published.
I'd submit that any reporters who can't figure out which direction time goes (earlier things happen before later things, gang!) might not be entirely trustworthy in their analysis.
Sure. They wrote a draft before the events happened. But if you're an actual professional, one of the things you do is fix that kind of stuff before you publish your article.
As for the rest of this blather, it's not new reporting. It's news analysis, bordering on straight op-ed.
And, as a DU sleuth has noted in another post in this thread, the numbers appear to be bogus.
bdamomma
(67,237 posts)is more disinformation and misinformation. Propaganda machine is on full tilt.