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burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
2. I had no idea that Southern labor arrangements were
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:43 PM
Dec 2012

considered state of the art in the north.
Is that the solution-- just import the South to the North and hope no one is the wiser for it?
What's next?
Debt peonage . . . ?
Share cropping . . . ?
Share-manufacturing . . . ?
How about a modified form of slavery that extracts labor without any wage and yet does not commodify human beings?
I've seen it happen on farms.
Don't think such paternalistic and dependent arrangements can't be imported into other workplaces.
And don't think they can't be imported from South to North.
There is only one way to respond-- massive and universal resistance.
That is, through the mass unionization of every service and manufacturing industry and the unionization and severe militancy in the information trades.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
3. How about the recovery of piece-work instead of the wage?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:45 PM
Dec 2012

Or, more putting out?
There is no end to the possibilities for the truly exploitative cheap labor conservative.
And cheap labor, the undermining of the value of the wage are what conservatives are ALL ABOUT.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
4. Your State will become Poorer
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:57 PM
Dec 2012

I remember,although not exactly when,Kansas going RTW..I think Late 80s to mid 90s.....

Anyway,something like a year later,I was waiting my turn in the Dentists lounge,flipping through a Time or Newsweek type magazine.....There was a short article on Kansas One year later,using Bridgeworkers and Road Builders as example..Before RTW these guys were making $18-$20 per hour,and had bought Homes,cars,boats whatnot,on those wages....A year later,making as low as $8 an hour,thery were losing a lot of their "stuff"......

Wish I'd kept that magazine,but I've never forgotten.......

RTW=BULL SHEEEEIIIT!!!!

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
5. This born-again family values jerk at work the other day was looking forward
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:07 PM
Dec 2012

to Texas seceding as they are perfectly set with crops, resources, blah blah blah.
I pointed out that there is a drought killing their great agricultural industry and it would continue for a few more years...no farmer handouts from uncle sam after they secede. they take more money from DC than what they pay in. They would lose that money the moment they secede. They would have to fund their energy programs, roads, bridges...no grants from evil Uncle Sam. No federal funding for the Texas national Guard, the tanks, trucks, aircraft need to be bought, I'm not funding it.

America needs to move the border fence North a tad to keep the undesirable Texans out of our free country!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
6. For that very reason, I am on record as saying that any red state that seceeded would look 3rd world
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:13 PM
Dec 2012

in 25 years.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. You need to apologize, then, because you are wrong.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:16 PM
Dec 2012

Texas is one of a few red states that does NOT get back more money than it sends in. It gives more than it gets:

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. Steven, be sure to post this graphic, too:
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

From a thread by sheshe2:

What Martin Luther King had to say about Right to Work 1961!

Martin Luther King, Jr. saw these efforts for just what they were back in 1961, and he was strongly opposed to so-called “Right To Work” even then.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021958389

Wisconsin union members posted videos with his words. We all know that he was in Memphis to help the sanitation workers when he was assassinated. A union website with more:

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on Labor

http://www.afscme.org/union/history/mlk/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-on-labor

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. The original pic and first graph have both generated heated discussion on my show's FB page
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:26 AM
Dec 2012

I will post MLK tomorrow!

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