President Biden should pardon Hunter, plead fatigue, retire early and make Kamala the 47th President of the U.S.

[Jack Valentino]

That would give us two months of the President for whom we voted, and forever title her as "President Kamala Harris",

and be his final great big FUCK YOU to MAGA!


I would enjoy watching their heads explode over that...

[Demsrule86]

1. Hunter should be pardoned.

[markodochartaigh]

53. Hunter is charged with

not fully paying his taxes on time, although he fully paid them with all interest and fees later. People don't go to prison for this.

He is also charged with not listing his drug use on a firearm purchase application. People don't go to prison when charged with this alone. If they did a third of the population of many Southern and Western states would be in prison.

These are political prosecutions. Merrick Garland should explain to the people of the US that they are political prosecutions. Then President Biden should pardon him.

[meow2u3]

92. Hunter is actually charged with being a Biden not paying his taxes on time

It's a purely political persecution prosecution designed to humiliate the Biden family and break Joe Biden's already heavy heart.

It reeks of Trumpist revenge.

[90-percent]

123. My comment.

You lost me at; "Merrick Garland should....."

But I'm ever thankful he never appeared partisan.

-90% Jimmy

[MMBeilis]

2. It would be sweet, but gaming the system is their thing, not ours. A dad pardoning his son, sure.

[Jack Valentino]

4. Do you think Joe isn't tired ? NT

[MMBeilis]

174. ?????

[BlueTsunami2018]

6. And that's why they've won the game.

All this “high road” bullshit got us nothing but a boot on our collective neck.

They wanted it more.

[Omnipresent]

27. Exactly!

Devious, evil fuckers like McConnell refused to do the right thing by seating Obama’s SC nominee.

Lesson from the GOP: Nice guys finish last!

[cactusfractal]

50. This. Fucking. Here.

People with privilege always assume their opponents are going to be honorable. They have the luxury of saying "When they go low, we go high", because when *they* go low, it doesn't affect the people pushing the grating and ineffectual narrative of lovingkindness for our literal enemies.

Fuck.

That.

Americans are Going. To. Die. because of this scumbag.

And you can take that high road to fucking nowhere... or you can realize that "fight" sometimes *doesn't* mean "talk".

Are you gonna fight?

Or are you Just. Gonna. Talk?

[summer_in_TX]

61. Gotta know. Your signature line...Robert Heinlein?

Sure smacks of the dean of science fiction writers.

[onenote]

72. Okay. Tell us exactly how you are going to "fight" and not just talk.

Because all i see is post on a message board, which is basically, well, "talk."

[BComplex]

99. This post has 44 recs.

I haven't seen that before.

[Demsrule86]

7. The Supreme Court says a President can do what he wants...we don't have to follow the rules

while they shit on us constantly...pardon everyone.

[sheshe2]

9. Bingo.

[paleotn]

43. Exactly. If they want to play ball, then goddamn it, we can too.

[FakeNoose]

65. You know Chump is going to pardon everyone who got convicted for Jan. 6th

I believe Joe Biden is entitled to pardon his own son, whose offenses were far less serious.

[onenote]

70. There should be a requirement that DUers try to understand the immunity decision before they post about it.

As numerous DUers have posted numerous times, the SCOTUS immunity decision does not mean a president "can do what he wants". It means he can't be criminally prosecuted for doing something illegal. It doesn't make something illegal into something legal. It doesn't prevent the courts from reversing or enjoining an illegal action nor does it mean that the many government employees that would have to play a role in carrying out an unlawful presidential directive would do so.

That being said, he doesn't need the immunity decision to "pardon everyone" because his pardoning people is a presidential power conferred on him by the Constitution.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

81. Also, SCOTUS gave themselves the power to

decide per case with plans to find in favor of Trump & possibly other R presidents, but against Biden & any other Dem ones.

[onenote]

82. Not sure what that has to do with the post I was addressing

or the fact that immunity doesn't make something legal that is legal. It only means the president can't be prosecuted for it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

83. It is on the same theme: poor comprehension of

the immunity decision.

[Lonestarblue]

91. The problem is that he can't be prosecuted while president and after seems to be too difficult.

Prosecuting after a president leaves office will always be seen as a political action than a legal action.

For Trump, the immunity decision removed evidence that could have been used to prove intent and seemed to put far more actions in the presidential power category.

[Ursus Rex]

109. Too difficult for a Republican, sure.

Nothing is too difficult or petty when it comes to prosecuting Democratic former officials.

[ShazzieB]

120. Thanks for this!

Emotions are (understandably) running high righr now. Thanks for helping keep us anchored to reality.

[marybourg]

137. And the "something" he does has to be in

performance of his duties as President. He’s not immune if he shoots someone on Fifth Avenue. He is immune if he sends troops to Lebanon and they walk into an ambush there.

[paleotn]

42. Pays to fight fire with fire sometimes.

Look where being all haughty has gotten us.

[tenderfoot]

79. Gaming the system like constantly going on about cheating and then winning?

Eom

[Hope22]

87. When they go low we go to prison.

When we go high we go to prison. Notice the pattern. We aren’t coming back from this. Hunter has jumped through all of the hoops. I say…pardon him.

[GaYellowDawg]

98. And you know what?

"Gaming the system" has gotten them the Supreme Court, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and gotten the single worst candidate in American history elected twice.

Maybe we ought to take more notice of that.

[MMBeilis]

175. You know what? You're right. I stand corrected. Let's go whole hog and gerrymander, register non-citizens,....

........bus folks to polling stations, print up fake ballots, use phone banks to dissuade Repubs from voting or give them misinformation about election day. I'm serious. I see your point. I now have re-examined my sense of right and wrong and see your point perfectly. Not sarcasm. You have opened my eyes.

[Mr.Bee]

119. That wouldn't make her 47th

Wishful thinking, but she could only finish HIS term.

[Zeitghost]

124. Who is the 38th President

And when was he elected?

[Mr.Bee]

132. Gerald Ford

When Gerald R. Ford took the oath of office on August 9, 1974 as our 38th President, he declared, “I assume the Presidency under extraordinary circumstances…
This made him the only person to become the nation's chief executive without being elected to the presidency or the vice presidency.

[Zeitghost]

133. Right

And even though he took over for a President that resigned, he is considered the 38th President. So would Harris in the event Biden should resign (which he won't).

[Emile]

128. Wrong

[Demsrule86]

3. Actually, Biden should give full pardon to everyone Trump threatens for

all crimes including future ones. Fuck Trump.

[zuul]

25. Would the orange shitbag honor any pardon granted

by President Biden? He’s a lawless thug.

[ancianita]

105. EXACTLY. Biden should pardon every Democrat in the US government, and every comedian Trump hates.

But why stop there.

Biden should announce
-- the State Department's revoking of Elon Musk's citizenship due to his lying in his citizenship application about his undocumented status,

-- that the US Treasury will permanently ban Musk from ever doing business with the U.S. or its allies again,

-- that he as commander-in-chief permanently revokes Trump's citizenship for communicating with Putin, who's been declared an international criminal,

-- that Musk and Trump will be deported to the Russian/Ukraine front.

Seriously. It's exactly what he should do.

[Justice matters.]

113. THIS!

Oh, but but but... we have to take the High Road (tm)... and see where that got us...

Losing to a LOSER... (a malignant narcissist who sure must want childish revenge against the POTUS who insulted HIM asap?)

[ancianita]

114. aaaaaand...

NO. There is no "high road" of justice out of the abyss. WE TAKE THE REALITY ROAD.

[Conjuay]

136. And give Jimmy Kimmel the medal of freedom

That would piss off thlump

[Silent Type]

5. The pardon is good. The other is a stunt that won't gain us anything, IMO.

[Jack Valentino]

8. I think it would be good for party morale.

[tinymontgomery]

16. At this point what do we have to lose? n/t

[Silent Type]

17. I think we aim for mid-terms, reevaluate some issues, and forget about useless stunts.

[tinymontgomery]

21. So keeping Hunter out of jail is a useless stunt?

Keeping all the folks he is going to go after and protecting them is a useless stunt? It would only stay on the news for about 2 days, still plenty of time to aim for the mid-terms of we have them.

[rubbersole]

39. If there's even an election.

All three branches of government say it is too much trouble. Plus cooties. The Speaker said god told him to bag it.

[paleotn]

44. You so sure there will even be mid-terms?

I'm not. Certainly not like we're use to.

[Silent Type]

52. Yes.

[paleotn]

69. You're far more trusting than me.

[Alsteen]

94. Not gonna happen

Remember he said we won't have to vote again?

[Zeitghost]

71. More elections.

n/t

[tinymontgomery]

76. Not for two years

Pardons can be done in a month and will be forgotten. The felon is going to pardon a lot more closer to elections so maybe just maybe the msn would actually pound on that day in and day out like they did with President Biden.

[mzmolly]

22. We'd gain a competent woman president for two months.

I'm all in!

[ecstatic]

10. I agree. She won't have the chance to be sworn in. Ever

You know how our party is. It's one and done. We don't let previous nominees run multiple times. And I'd be surprised if the party got behind a woman candidate again.

And Hunter? Yes, pardon him immediately because it was an unfair political witch-hunt. I'm all for holding everyone accountable, but the motivations and context has to be right. It can't be done to win an election, ESPECIALLY when a coup plotting criminal is about to be sworn in as president.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

11. Pardon Hunter definitely.

I actually fear for his safety while incarcerated.

[cilla4progress]

12. Agree!

No time to hold back!

[BunkieBandit]

13. I say, President Joseph Biden,

the greatest and best president in my long lifetime should have done that when he balked at re-election. That would of given the Harris/Walz ticket a huge upstart. Just my humble opinion.

[Srkdqltr]

14. Im afraid trump will jump the line and impose himself early.

[paleotn]

45. Can't. We still hold the levers of power.

[onenote]

68. and exactly how do you think he could do that?

This places rife with fantasy fiction these days.

[Srkdqltr]

95. I can't believe his people haven't thought about it. Im sure Bidens folks have too.

[Elessar Zappa]

88. Not possible.

[LAS14]

15. Now there's an idea!!! nt

[LisaM]

18. No, he shouldn't (well, he should pardon Hunter).

He has two months and no one knows better than he does how to get shit done in that time. He needs to spend the whole two months creating policy works that can't be undone.

[Jack Valentino]

19. OK, if he really wants to...

I'm only half-serious... but that half is pretty serious.

[zipplewrath]

117. Commute

Commute any sentence he receives.

[Ilsa]

20. Pardon Nancy Pelosi, Hunter, Kamala, Doug Emhoff,

Adsm Schiff, Liz Cheney, Adam Kiszinger, and others in Congress

[Emile]

131. For what? They have never been convicted for crimes.

[Ilsa]

134. Blanket, pre-emptive pardons in the event

trump and his goons cook up something against them. They should not have to incur legal expenses fighting fake charges.

[Emile]

144. That would be saying they are guilty of something.

[Ilsa]

145. Trump has already brainwashed his followers

into thinking they are guilty, even though there is zero evidence.

[Emile]

146. Still you need a conviction in order to pardon.

[Ilsa]

166. Didn't trump issue pardons to

people in his administration who haven't been charged or convicted?

[Emile]

171. First I heard of that. What were they guilty of where

he thought they needed a pardon?

[Retrograde]

23. You read my mind

I think he should step down in the 2nd half of December, making Harris president. We'll be without a VP for a month or so, but that's happened before.

[Jack Valentino]

28. We still control the Senate. Seems they could make a rapid confirmation

under such a circumstance.

[Retrograde]

32. VP replacement has to be confirmed by both houses (n/t)

[Jack Valentino]

34. Yeah, I momentarily forgot about that. Oh well.

[Polybius]

40. Maybe not

Manchin and Sinema would be furious and maybe refuse to vote. That brings it to 49-49.

[Wounded Bear]

24. That would be cool, even if the only thing it means is that it renders all of his 45-47 swag invalid.

[Jack Valentino]

26. Yup. I thought of that, but thanks for mentioning it. :D

Even better, I think, is that from that point on, Trump would be subjected to hearing the press call her "President Harris" or former "President Harris", whenever she's in the news...

[paleotn]

47. Good one!

[oasis]

90. President Harris is 47! I'm for that!

[berniesandersmittens]

29. K &R nt

[soandso]

30. Joe said he would not pardon Hunter

Though he may change his mind. OTOH, Trump said he would consider doing it. Ont stepping down from the presidency, he already had the nomination taken from him and was forced out of running, against his wishes, and I doubt he much feels like giving up finishing his term.

[Prairie Gates]

31. Would be funny just to make all that 47 gear unusable

Just the right level of spite for the Brandon crowd.

[kerouac2]

35. My thought exactly

[Dem2theMax]

36. I want to proudly wear my Madam President baseball cap.

[live love laugh]

33. Let President Harris pardon him.

[Hekate]

37. FFS NO!

[paleotn]

49. Being the only ones playing by the rules has gotten us precisely no where.

Time to get in the gutter and fight like our democracy actually means something.

[Ping Tung]

38. That is a delicious scenario.

[Easterncedar]

41. He should activate the military and take the insurrectionists out!

Gitmo for all.

Go big, Joe.

[eggplant]

46. Sonia Sotomayor needs to retire in the next two months.

And the Senate should ram through her replacement.
Along with filling EVERY open judgeship.
And then we need to ship every weapon not bolted down to Ukraine.
And give them permission to use them anywhere.

Anything I miss?

[colorado_ufo]

111. If you missed anything, I will say "yes" to second it!

Biden has all the power and authority right now, and he NEEDS TO USE IT. It may be the 11th hour late, but he can still use it, and to the MAX. This is the only thing he can do to help save use AND honor the Herculean effort of Vice President Harris.

[mysteryowl]

48. Yes, yes, yes!!!

[paleotn]

51. Why the hell not? As I mentioned above...

being the only ones playing by the supposed rules has gotten us zip. If our democracy is truly important, sure as shit is to me, we do whatever it takes, whenever we can. If that means unorthodox bending or breaking of rules, by all means, do it. After all, SCOTUS said the President can get away with anything as an official act. No ones quite sure yet what "official act" really means.

[Jack Valentino]

57. But there really would be nothing "against the rules" about this---

after all the "concern" about President Biden's age and health, if he decided to resign early for his own health, nobody would have any business doing anything but shrugging over it. That's why we have a vice president, to assume the office if it should become vacant for whatever reason.

[niyad]

54. I actually had the same thought.

[iluvtennis]

55. That would be sweet. n/t

[ColinC]

56. I can dig it.

GOP was calling for Biden to step down anyways.

[bucolic_frolic]

58. She'd probably get a pension upgrade too

[Jack Valentino]

60. And a lifetime Secret Service detail.

I don't think the VPs get that... but if they do, it's smaller.

[Passages]

59. I hope he pardons his son. He can say I changed my mind.

No one needs to approve.

[Silver Gaia]

62. I would LOVE to see that happen!

I've thought the same myself! Why not?

[Gore1FL]

63. All their 47 swag would be obsolete. There's that. nt

[Emile]

130. All those new MAGA hats with 47 obsolete, lol.

[Takket]

64. this country does not deserve her.

[electric_blue68]

67. WE...who Voted for Her...Deserve her! Thank you very much.

[onenote]

66. DUers keep posting ideas for what Joe should do that Joe would never in a million years do.

Why? How little do they know about Joe? Or is it not about Joe at all?

[Jack Valentino]

73. Oh, I know it's probably a non-starter--- but what the hell.

[MerryBlooms]

74. Desperation posts, I think maybe.

Lots of folks just grasping at straws to find some sorta comfort. I get it. I for some reason, have felt completely calm. I have no idea why. Maybe it's all the health issues right now going on in our house, and it just hasn't hit me? But, I am calm. Disappointed, but not losing my shit. Delayed reaction coming maybe... once my hernia is repaired, sister's aneurysm is evaluated. Oldest sister's heart valve basically completely blocked, she's opted for no surgery. Sigh
It's been a month
I'm just kinda numb. Weird. I don't know how to explain how I feel.

[MerryBlooms]

75. btw, rec

[Lulu KC]

154. We can have our dreams

Mine is that NATO forces will show up if it gets tough with DT.

[dchill]

77. The President we voted for ...

...until Jan 20, 2025, is Joe Biden. That's just the truth.

[Jeebo]

78. It wouldn't make any difference now.

I think Joe should spend his remaining time in office accomplishing things that WILL make a difference. And yes, I do think those things should include a pardon for his son.

— Ron

[doc03]

80. I can see pardoning Hunter but why would he quit?

[senegal1]

84. Pardon 11 million undocumented illegals

(or how many there are currently) before Trump detains and deports them. And don't forget the green card holders just in case.

[onenote]

158. Pardoning them wouldn't grant them legal status.

It would absolve them of criminal liability, but they could still be deported.

[lark]

85. I absolutely adore this idea, but Biden is too much a traditionalist, I think.

It would be a perfect move, but won't happen.

[Shrek]

86. Would forever preclude the possibility of a Republican being the first woman President

Sure, it's a little petty but why not?

[hawkeye21]

89. I love it!

Do it, Joe. It's the right thing on every level.

[Groundhawg]

93. Hunter should be pardoned, but how About you let Joe decide to finish out the term he won.

[MrWowWow]

96. President Biden Should NOW Fire Garland

And appoint Jack Smith as the interim US Attorney General. Whatever it takes to revive trump's federal criminal cases. What happens on Nov 26 in NY? Will trump get a suspended sentence for his 34 criminal convictions?

[Martin68]

97. Stick Harris with a very short term as a lame duck best an incoming authoritarian administration?

I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy.

[Nigrum Cattus]

100. Good idea

Then all the repugs would have to re-print all their
#47 stuff !

[Omnipresent]

101. I totally agree!!

Let Kamala become the 47th President!
Fuck trump, she can cut in line in front of him!

[1WorldHope]

102. Pardon Leonard Peltier.

Pardon every native person in every prison. Let all the black men out too. FuckitAll.

[o7___o7]

103. lol just mess up all of their merch

Dropshippers in shambles

[Evolve Dammit]

104. Official business of course. And it would be!

[Elessar Zappa]

106. He should definitely pardon Hunter.

May as well.

[ScubaSteve]

107. Brilliant!!

That is sheer genius!!

[iemanja]

108. Bargaining

You're ahead of me. I'm still in anger.

[verargert]

110. An open pardon on death of TSF and Vance

[onenote]

157. Clarify please? Because it sounds like you are suggesting President Biden create an incentive for assassination.

Which may be the single most ridiculous thing I've seen on this board since joining it twenty years ago

But maybe that's not what you were suggesting, so please clarify.

[ballardgirl]

112. I love this idea

Anything to piss off the orange blob is great with me

[SpankMe]

115. I love this idea

For one thing, it would render all that MAGA asshole "47" swag obsolete - cups, coins, shirts, flags, posters, memes, etc. They'd have to spend millions re-printing it all. Fuck 'em.

[markie]

116. yes

[krkaufman]

118. Wanted this as well...

… if only to render all the MAGA “47” gear worthless.

[connecticut yankee]

121. The best idea

I've heard in ages!

[LudwigPastorius]

122. No.

President Biden made a sacrifice for the future of this country.

He deserves to go out on his own terms and finish out his presidency.

[Festivito]

125. Fine. First fire 5 SCOTUS for cause, the remaining 4 decide it follows current law.

[onenote]

156. You apparently lack a basic level of understanding of the Constitution.

The president can't "fire" Supreme Court justices. The only way they can be removed is through impeachment and conviction. And, no, the immunity decision doesn't allow the President to remove them. It merely means that if he tried and doing so violated some criminal law, he couldn't be prosecuted. But his action would still be unconstitutional and unlawful act and would be nullified by the courts in a nanosecond.

[Festivito]

159. You apparently lack a basic level of understanding of the word only.

Impeachment is not the ONLY way.
They could be removed to Guantanamo.
They could resign rather than being removed to Guantanamo, or an undisclosed location.
They could be locked out and bellow about it to the press.
And, what courts do you suggest would supersede the remaining supreme court?

No one to prosecute, a nice group to adjudicate.

[onenote]

160. Physically incarcerating them would be unlawful and blocked/reversed immediately. So they wouldn't resign.

A petition to a lower court to block any effort to remove a supreme court justice would be granted and affirmed by higher courts if appealed.

Which is why it your suggestion is one of the more ridiculous things I've seen posted on DU in my 20 years here. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but its true.

[Festivito]

163. You insist that lower courts supersede the supreme court. We disagree there.

Lower courts can rule all they want. If the subjects are gone, that ruling is a pyric victory. Even if you insist that the supreme court ruling does not apply over a lower court ruling.

[onenote]

164. Huh? The justices that you think can be summarily removed aren't going to be removed.

A lower court will block their removal. They will still be on the court. And that will be the end of it.

What supreme court ruling is going to approve of the removal of supreme court justices? If five justices were removed, the remaining justices wouldn't even have a quorum to act, but if they did and could, they would unanimously uphold the constitution by ruling that any attempt to summarily remove supreme court justices is unconstitutional.

[Festivito]

165. Wow. Time machine? Seal Team 6 secretly removes them, they're moved to a secret spot. ...

No one knows where they are...

And your time machine lets you go back in time to say: [They] aren't going to be removed.
But, they will be! Unless you disrupt the time line.

Maybe, that's your plan.

[claudette]

126. What a great idea!!

[Emile]

127. I told my wife the samething yesterday.

[FullySupportDems]

129. Agreed

[Jacson6]

135. He said he wouldn't pardon HSB. He could grant him clemency and still keep his word. n/t

[marybourg]

138. No. Clemency only comes after conviction and

sentencing. Is there enough time for that to happen before Jan?

[Jacson6]

140. HSB can speed it along. DJT won't give him clemency or a pardon. That is for sure. n/t

[marybourg]

141. HSB?

[Jacson6]

142. Hunter Biden. n/t

[Junipercity]

139. I think that is a SPLENDID idea.

Just saying.
It would set the required precedent.

[Mr.Bee]

143. Help Us Obi-Den

You're our only hope!

You're the only sole person who can save the American people from this NAZI Fascist regime!
Takers get the honey
Givers sing the blues...

[ffr]

147. And lobby to replace DeJoy at USPS.

That guy is ruining our postal service weekly!

[onenote]

155. The president has no power to remove deJoy.

Or do you think the failure to remove him has been misfeasance or malfeasance on the part of President Biden the past four years?

[ffr]

167. What are you talking about? Please read what I wrote.

You comment states the obvious. Mine says "LOBBY."

[onenote]

168. Exactly who are we supposed to lobby?

Okay, you weren't referring to lobbying the president. Got it. So who should we be lobbying? Congress can't remove him either. It's up to the other members of the Board of Governors and why would they be susceptible to lobbying?

[ffr]

169. Damn, what is your deal!!? Please read what I wrote. Here, I'll lead you to what I wrote

The title of this topic is:
President Biden should pardon Hunter, plead fatigue, retire early and make Kamala the 47th President of the U.S.

That's what the author titled this topic, to which I replied:
And lobby to replace DeJoy at USPS.

Good luck.

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

148. I agree to Hunter's pardon; TFG is getting off on his crimes, no reason Biden's son shouldn't as well.

Biden wouldn’t resign; besides, it wouldn’t have much meaning for Kamala.

[EndlessWire]

150. I like this idea.

Giving Hunter a pardon will save millions of Dems from the trauma of his conviction. I love the idea of Biden quitting early and making Harris/Walz the President/VP. Why not? There's nothing to stop him. No permission from the asshole SC to fool with.

How could we get someone to propose this to him? He's tough. He can hack the comments. He was a good President. If there is some action that he wants to do but is hesitant to do, something to do with his new power, he could pass it to Kamala and she could do it. Let her issue a few hundred thousand EOs for Trump and his buddies to work through.

How can we get what we want?

[NameAlreadyTaken]

151. LOVE this.

[DaBronx]

152. Brilliant

[onenote]

161. The White House has confirmed the president has no plans to pardon Hunter.

So unless folks feel like trashing President Biden, can we move on to discussing more realistic things?

[Jack Valentino]

162. He should pardon him anyway, for christ sake.

Trump's aiming to let all the violent J-6 felons out of prison. Hunter poses no such risk..

and if people don't like it--- FUCK 'EM! Joe isn't running for anything anymore.

[EndlessWire]

170. I think this was a bit before

Trump et al. started talking about executing his enemies. And, what does discussing a pardon for Hunter have to do with trashing President Biden? Why would Joe changing his mind in a changing milieu not be realistic?

Regardless, it's not a bad idea to have Kamala do it for him. If he doesn't have it in him to do harsh things, resign and let her do it. His character is not in question, and no one has said it is. Kamala didn't make the statement. Her character is also not in question.

In fact, he should pardon everyone in sight. Also, he needs to do the EO thing. Close as many loopholes and pathways as he can. I know how you feel regarding inaccurate info on the new Presidential power, but Biden can do something, change some governmental infrastructure, do something! Tie it up in a giant ball of string and keep Trump et al. busy for 2-4 years.

[onenote]

172. The White House reiterated no pardon for Hunter yesterday.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-not-pardon-son-hunter-biden/story?id=115620314

So persisting that Joe should pardon Hunter after he's made clear -- again -- that he's not going to do so doesn't seem terribly respectful or supportive of Joe's judgment. So maybe trashing was too harsh, but the point is that folks should let go of this idea and move on. Joe's not going to do it.

[AkFemDem]

176. Do you guys remember back when Trump left office

And there was all that speculation about “sealed” pardons? Did we ever learn if they actually existed? If so, maybe that’s the route for Biden to take for many of his closest people.

[Srkdqltr]

177. no ... maybe pardon Hunter but NO NO to the rest. enough chaos already we don't need more.