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Dennis Donovan

(28,282 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 08:56 AM Nov 10

The American people were fucking WARNED by a general and they still voted for him

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Democratic Coalition
When a four star general warns you about someone, you should listen 👇

John Kelly, the Trump White House’s longest-serving chief of staff, said that he believed that Donald Trump met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law.

He also discussed and confirmed previous reports that Mr. Trump had made admiring statements about Hitler, had expressed contempt for disabled veterans and had characterized those who died on the battlefield for the United States as “losers” and “suckers” — comments first reported in 2020 by The Atlantic.

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8:47 AM · Nov 10, 2024





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The American people were fucking WARNED by a general and they still voted for him (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 10 OP
But, eggs! XanaDUer2 Nov 10 #1
If I ate them regularly (which I don't) maybe I would've felt the pain that your average MAGAt feels when buying eggs? Dennis Donovan Nov 10 #2
I eat eggs everyday XanaDUer2 Nov 10 #3
Well, it's not just eggs. Elessar Zappa Nov 10 #7
My bet is trump will do much about it ... Dave says Nov 10 #14
Yes, that's what I expect. Elessar Zappa Nov 10 #16
Let the leopards eat the eggs off their faces. BattleRow Nov 10 #24
The eggs Otto_Harper Nov 10 #30
IMO these four star generals should have issued their "warnings" while Trump was in in2herbs Nov 10 #4
Can't while on active duty. We've been over this. paleotn Nov 10 #9
Trump is going to make them political Farmer-Rick Nov 10 #26
That's him doing that. WE don't do that. paleotn Nov 10 #32
Yeah, I took an alligance to the US Constitution too Farmer-Rick Nov 10 #34
"What's a fascist again?" Beausoleil Nov 10 #5
A lot of the American people NEVER HEARD about that warning. See this Oct. 26 thread, a tweet from highplainsdem Nov 10 #6
Dems have lost the communication war SomedayKindaLove Nov 10 #23
This Sympthsical Nov 10 #25
What's a 4 star general? paleotn Nov 10 #8
He was described the same way in the tweet Dennis Donovan Nov 10 #33
Yea, no kidding!!! bluestarone Nov 10 #10
Correction: This *once* great country Dave says Nov 10 #15
Fox, OAN, et al NEVER broadcast that info paparush Nov 10 #11
Most of the dumbasses can't tell what an authoritarian is. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 10 #12
It is very difficult to chart a productive path forward with the combination of ignorance, gullibility, lack of values, TheKentuckian Nov 10 #13
I plan to buy 10,000 little stickers that say "I'm an idiot" chouchou Nov 10 #17
It seems the message did not get to all the voting public..nt mitch96 Nov 10 #18
Why did so many not know and or did not trust/care about what he said? Passages Nov 10 #19
I stayed in the bubble - MSNBC talked about it (at least its political hosts did) Dennis Donovan Nov 10 #21
I guess what I am trying to understand is and I can't escape the question. Passages Nov 10 #22
According to corporate media Farmer-Rick Nov 10 #27
So frustrating. Passages Nov 10 #28
More than one of them. GoCubsGo Nov 10 #20
As my co-worker rationalized it Johonny Nov 10 #29
I Wonder How The Military Will Respond WiVoter Nov 10 #31
Yeah, I wonder too Farmer-Rick Nov 10 #36
Contrary to received opinion, Americans are generally not impressed by the opinions Sibelius Fan Nov 10 #35
I wonder how many YoshidaYui Nov 10 #37
Our oversized military has been horrible for the average american IbogaProject Nov 10 #38

Dennis Donovan

(28,282 posts)
2. If I ate them regularly (which I don't) maybe I would've felt the pain that your average MAGAt feels when buying eggs?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:05 AM
Nov 10

...and I would've voted against every other "best interest" of mine?

Elessar Zappa

(16,245 posts)
7. Well, it's not just eggs.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:57 AM
Nov 10

The price of almost all groceries has gone up significantly the last two years and it absolutely kills people with a very limited budget. I’m one of those people. Of course Trump won’t do a damn thing about it and voters should know better but they don’t.

Dave says

(4,986 posts)
14. My bet is trump will do much about it ...
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:22 AM
Nov 10

… to raise prices even further. Those tariffs on incoming food products will make them pricier.

in2herbs

(3,313 posts)
4. IMO these four star generals should have issued their "warnings" while Trump was in
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:43 AM
Nov 10

office, not four years after the fact. The public is incapable of connecting the dots.

paleotn

(19,774 posts)
9. Can't while on active duty. We've been over this.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:11 AM
Nov 10

Trust me, you do not want our military getting political. We're bordering on banana republic as it is. Lets not go all the way.

Farmer-Rick

(11,600 posts)
26. Trump is going to make them political
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:02 AM
Nov 10

He has plans to purge the federal government. What's stopping him from doing it to the military too?

When they shut down all those US bases back in the 90s, they also kicked out a lot of people. Then W came in and privatized them.

So, it's easy enough to clear out disloyal troops. They have to swear alligance to the Constitution anyway. Might as well get them to swear a loyalty oath to the pedo Trump while they are at it.

paleotn

(19,774 posts)
32. That's him doing that. WE don't do that.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:11 AM
Nov 10

Me and my compadres since 1789 swore allegiance to the Constitution ONLY. Period. Full stop. It's as engrained into our military ethos as much has short haircuts. I'm pretty pragmatic on most things. Too pragmatic for the tastes of some around here, but sorry, that's a Rubicon I won't cross.

Farmer-Rick

(11,600 posts)
34. Yeah, I took an alligance to the US Constitution too
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:16 AM
Nov 10

But, I remember how easily many in the military took to torture during W's reign. I think a lot of troops don't understand what that alligance really means. I hope I am totally wrong.

Beausoleil

(2,934 posts)
5. "What's a fascist again?"
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:48 AM
Nov 10

That warning was less than useless.

If it's a choice between lost cost eggs and democracy and I don't really know what democracy is, I guess I'd go with the eggs.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,108 posts)
23. Dems have lost the communication war
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:45 AM
Nov 10

First radio, then TV, now digital.

Soros is trying to take back radio, which is solid, never underestimate radio. But it seems digital is the future and should be the real battle.

It seems it doesn’t matter what you say anymore, it’s just how many times people hear it.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
25. This
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:50 AM
Nov 10

Political engagement to the point you have these names handy, know who they are, and heard what they said is the outlier - not the norm - in America.

Sometimes it feels like we're sending out a tornado warning on a ham radio. Sure, you might get some people, but most aren't going to hear it. Then the town gets wrecked, and it's "Why didn't anyone say anything?"

Gotta reach people where they live. And endless thanks to the canvassers out there who spent the time and knocked on the doors to try to make that happen.

bluestarone

(18,532 posts)
10. Yea, no kidding!!!
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:12 AM
Nov 10

We are under the RUMP curse here in this GREAT country. Our light of freedom is burning very dim.

paparush

(7,989 posts)
11. Fox, OAN, et al NEVER broadcast that info
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:14 AM
Nov 10

Right wing social media echo chambers NEVER brought that up.

Even hearing that and processing what it means takes logical, rational thought to get to decision making.

MAGA is about raw, primal, EMOTION. Logical reasoning, rational thought, critical thinking do not dwell in MAGA.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
13. It is very difficult to chart a productive path forward with the combination of ignorance, gullibility, lack of values,
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:20 AM
Nov 10

and information silos.

Meet them where they are? They are in some twisted land of make believe and my trolley doesn't have a stop.

chouchou

(1,528 posts)
17. I plan to buy 10,000 little stickers that say "I'm an idiot"
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:29 AM
Nov 10

..then go into Malls and paste every other human with one. Chances are, I might be right.

Passages

(1,548 posts)
19. Why did so many not know and or did not trust/care about what he said?
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:32 AM
Nov 10

That is what we have to figure out.

SNIP
Despite these repeated and deeply concerning warnings from those previously close to Trump, Kelly’s comments did not appear on the front pages of The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, or The New York Times. Mainstream outlets have repeatedly failed to give sufficient coverage to news stories about Trump’s extremism and authoritarianism, including Milley’s recent comments.
https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/newspaper-front-pages-ignore-trumps-former-chief-staff-saying-former-president-fascist

Dennis Donovan

(28,282 posts)
21. I stayed in the bubble - MSNBC talked about it (at least its political hosts did)
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:38 AM
Nov 10

I never strayed from MSNBC.

Passages

(1,548 posts)
22. I guess what I am trying to understand is and I can't escape the question.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:43 AM
Nov 10

Why would anyone not put this on their front page??

These newspapers are supposed to report significant information and one would imagine they can recognize a red alert. How many times in our history has a man like Kelly said such a thing?

The negligence is stunning, another contributor to America's decline.



Farmer-Rick

(11,600 posts)
27. According to corporate media
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:05 AM
Nov 10

Trump was just another old white guy who wanted to be president.

He was just like Biden only younger. At least that's what I got from the mainstream media two weeks before the election.

Just another old white guy.

In a way, Biden unintentionally cleared a path for the elderly to become president.

GoCubsGo

(33,336 posts)
20. More than one of them.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 10:35 AM
Nov 10

Along with multiple Admirals, and nearly his entire cabinet member from his first term. And, it's not like his 34 felony convictions were a big secret, either. Or, his constant mental lapses. Or, his threats and name-calling. Sure, a lot of them didn't listen, but most of them either don't care, or more likely, are just fine with it. And, to think I had recently deluded myself into believing I might be wrong about the majority of this country...

Johonny

(22,543 posts)
29. As my co-worker rationalized it
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:08 AM
Nov 10

Those people left the administration so of course they would say negative things. A) more people left Trumps administration because he could barely hold a cabinet together B) not everyone saying negative things left. People like Bill Barr and Pence were there to the end and not exactly giving glowing endorsements. C) people leave every administration. No administration had this many people leaving and then trashing it.

Just maybe, Trump being awful is true. Maybe?

WiVoter

(1,170 posts)
31. I Wonder How The Military Will Respond
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:11 AM
Nov 10

Both retired and those currently serving, particularly those who signed on to protect and defend our constitution and our country.’

Farmer-Rick

(11,600 posts)
36. Yeah, I wonder too
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:23 AM
Nov 10

Trump has plans to take away disability pay and lower retirement pay, maybe do away with it all together. He proposed that in his last term but military veterans have a pretty robust lobby and stopped it.

He also is going to privatize the VA, along with Social Security.

All those old folks who voted for Trump are going to suddenly have a lot less money.

Sibelius Fan

(24,635 posts)
35. Contrary to received opinion, Americans are generally not impressed by the opinions
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:23 AM
Nov 10

or the service records of the military when it comes to the nation’s leadership. Neither John McCain nor John Kerry were aided in their presidential runs because they served in Vietnam. In fact, Kerry’s service was turned against him in the most-despicable way imaginable. McCain’s service was denigrated by tRump in 2016.

YoshidaYui

(43,075 posts)
37. I wonder how many
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:25 AM
Nov 10

will regret Voting for him, especially when he brings out the firing squads that he has always wanted.

IbogaProject

(3,935 posts)
38. Our oversized military has been horrible for the average american
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:47 AM
Nov 10

It has been welfare for the rich and helps capture defense associated voters towards the GOP. So now some of those who were have been impoverished by this misallocation are angry and blame who FoxNews tells them too.

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