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(21,043 posts)Kaleko
(4,986 posts)Do you have a link to the group behind this announcement?
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)
A friend of mine shared it with me...so I don't know. Sorry! gomen ne.
Kimiko
EDITED: Here is a link I found using Google:
http://black-march.com/
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... however, it's just not realistic to think it will happen on any large scale.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)they put alot of money into the project such as their music or their movies. There has to be a happy medium. Maybe after a year then they could let them copy those things. It's just like robbing your purse.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)try life of the author + 100 years with current copyright law.
21 years was the maximum copyright when this country started. The founders knew that IP needed to be protected, but that to much impoverishes the commons. The commons is a starving orphan right now.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)and someone steals his production. Do you feel it is OK? Its no better than someone going to the mall and stealing it in the store.
TygrBright
(20,756 posts)...it impacts the people who bought the rights to my content from me for peanuts, jacked them into a dozen different bastardized containers and formats, charge wildly inflated prices for them, and then fail to pay me bupkis for the sales because the pitiful "advance on sales" hasn't been made back yet, by their accounting. Which I never get to actually see.
And then when I politely ask for those rights back, after ten years without a single sale, so that I can repackage them myself and put them on a website where I hope they might draw traffic and boost other forms of revenue, I'm told that I can't do so, because one of the formats is still extant in Malaysia or somewhere, and they'd have to charge me vast sums to reclaim those rights to my own work.
So, frankly? Go pirate them, people. They deserved better than they got from the Profit Machine owned by Our Beloved Media Oligarchs.
People who produce creative output want to make a living, sure. But I could have made as much or more by putting those works on a website and politely asking people who respect the work of a living content producer to donate a buck or two to download them.
And, frankly, most people who produce creative output have day jobs when we need them. Making a living from our stories, songs, illustrations, photos, whatever, is important, but so is TOUCHING AN AUDIENCE, and getting touched back. When you sell your children to the Media Oligarchs, you have to be Very Lucky AND Very Good to be among the top one-tenth of one percent who actually acquire an audience who knows who you are and values you.
This isn't about "stealing from artists." It's about the Media Oligarchs suddenly realizing they are obsolete, and wringing their hands and keening about the value of their stock options.
bitterly,
Bright
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)I didn't bookmark it. Could you provide me a link, please? thanks.
TygrBright
(20,756 posts)It's in my journal, so you can always find it by clicking on the little arrow next to my name above the header on a post, and then clicking on the "Journal" option that slides out.
I'm slowly getting used to this newfangled DU3 stuff, myself...
appreciatively,
Bright
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Because I think copyright law is grossly unfair I download everything?
If I like something I pay for it, but I'm not paying for anything unless I get to try it first. I've been burned to many times.
$50 for a game that is crap. $20 dollars for a CD that has one good song.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)dogknob
(2,431 posts)The money you are referring to is already being stolen from us by the same people who say they want to "protect" us. The majors don't give a hoot about piracy. What they do care about is the reality that the Internet makes it possible for artists to create and distribute their own work without their talentless, cynical, art-hating asses getting a cut*. With something like SOPA in place, all they need to do is start accusing all the indies (who can't afford a legal battle) of violating some copyright somewhere.
They want to turn back the clock to the good 'ol days when they were relevant because there was nowhere else to go.
If you don't believe me, then maybe you will believe Courtney Love: http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
... or Janis Ian, who hasn't had a hit since 1975 but whose website gets 75,000 hits a week: http://www.janisian.com/reading/fallout.php
* "getting a cut" = getting practically everything.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)that's being "stolen" through piracy.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. to help make it happen for artists? I'm so damned tired of every game being rigged in favor the already rich and greedy. I'd much rather see what I can afford to spend going to the real talent and not just the parasites that live off of them.
TygrBright
(20,756 posts)If there is an artist, writer or musician whose work I really love and want to experience as soon as it's available, I check to see if they've got a website. Then I buy it directly through their website, if possible. I bookmark those websites and, if they have that function, sign up on their "what's new" email list.
More and more writers, musicians, etc. are either selling their work directly, or working with indy distributors on the web who treat them fairly. If that's the case, the artist or writer will often have a link to their preferred distributor in their blog or on their website.
This, by the way, scares the living crap out of Our Beloved Media Oligarchs and provides a big chunk of the impetus behind the Buggy Whip Industry Protection Act. Not all of it by any means, and it's not seriously cutting into their profits yet, but it's worrying them. And it's growing.
helpfully,
Bright
truth2power
(8,219 posts)I'm trying to drag myself into the 21st century on that. <sigh>
What you said in your OP the other day should be read by everyone. Gives a whole new perspective.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Support local musicians, too.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)Buy t-shirts directly from them at the shows.
Buy merchandise directly from their web sites.
Cut out the blood-suckers -- deal directly with the artists whenever you can.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. with you. I understand the need to protect real intellectual property and the interests of those that produce it. But a Draconian approach goes too far the other way. Something balanced that doesn't just "hand over the keys" is more sensible to me.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)ThomThom
(1,486 posts)from what I have heard it is getting really hard to get an album made unless you finance it yourself, new bands can't afford it
but I am totally against downloading and sharing copyrighted material
if you like a band or a movie you should be willing to pay for it and support them
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)have families to feed.
TygrBright
(20,756 posts)A growing number of musicians are not relying on corporate-produced and marketed "albums" anymore. They are recording songs or pieces or groups of songs/pieces, (which, by the way, is no longer that expensive thanks to the increasing availability of reasonably-priced digital recording and production methods,) and marketing them directly on websites, at live performances, on streaming radio channels, etc.
If you want to go the "make a CD" route, it is actually less expensive than it has EVER been to do so. You can rent a well-equipped professional studio for a very modest hourly fee, and chances are you can even access a very nearly professional-quality amateur studio even cheaper. You can learn to manipulate your own digital output and do so for a modest investment (probably shared with buds) in software and playback equipment. Or, you can pay a good fee-for-service producer to work with you, or swap with them, whatever, and get your final digital files produced. Then you can get them transferred to good-quality media for pennies a unit.
If you're deedy that way, you can even create your own disc art and/or cover art with an inexpensive illustrator/photomanipulator software suite, and have that included in the repro package for a few pennies more. Or you can get a creative friend to do so. Or even pay a professional illustrator/photographer. All for way, way, way less than it used to cost the corporate studios per unit.
So, what do you want a corporate studio to do for you? MARKET YOU?!??
Excuse me while I pick myself off the floor from rolling around laughing. Corporate studios do exactly bupkis to market 99.999 percent of newly-signed artists, and bupkis plus a buck-fifty to market artists already under contract.
And then they own the rights to that material and god help the poor schlemiel of an artist who realizes they're being scammed, takes off on their own, and builds a real audience and a real success. They can (if they're lucky) perform their own damn' material live, but they can never re-release it without getting an assload of expensive lawyers involved.
Movies ain't gonna die because people download them without making the studios richer. That's the same garbage we heard when TeeVee was in its infancy. "OMG!!! It's THE END OF THE WORLD FOR THE MOVIES!!!"
Yeah. Right.
It's all about profits for the Media Oligarchs. Save your sympathy for them. The artists are now escaping from their clutches by the hundreds and soon, by the thousands-- finding their audiences, being more creative than ever, and flipping the bird to the Oligarchs.
informatively,
Bright
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)I myself work at one of the biggest studios. The people who are punished when profits are lowered due to piracy aren't those who make the most money, but those who make the least.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)I don't think it is. It still takes cash. If you are just trying to get jobs you don't have cash or time to get people to give of theirs for your future. Things may change in the future but today it takes money to make movies and cd's. Support the artists you like by paying for it. That is my point.
1monster
(11,012 posts)of years ago because I could not find a karaoke version anywhere of a Broadway tune my son wanted to use for the International Thespian's Society District Evaluations. The music for the songs had to be recorded, he could not take an accopanist.
So I paid $289 plus tax for this little music recorder, recorded my son's accompanist playing the song on piano, and found it much higher quality than I expected.
One could, using this recorder and a room with good acoustics, create a recording of high enough qualaity to sell without shame. If you want fancy editing and other techniques, one can purchase the software to make a computer into a first class mixer/editor. Some of those are available free online.
JI7
(89,246 posts)and people are becoming aware even if they are ignorant of politics because they use google helps the cause.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)hlthe2b
(102,217 posts)Given I really had no intention of buying or downloading any of the content listed or going to see a movie... Maybe a magazine if I wasn't thinking... So, no sweat. I'm in, regardless.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)You know what will happen? Studios will push productions, use it as a reason to pay workers less and lay off artists and workers. The execs pushing legislation will still get paid. Personally I think trying to stop pirating (mostly overseas) is never going to work and if studios want to increase profits during a global economic downturn they need only look at the inflated salaries of the execs at the top of the food chain who take much and contribute little.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)I said the same thing above before I saw your post. Why don't people understand this?
cayanne
(702 posts)Why is anyone for it? Theft is theft. I won't hold to this boycott because it is ridiculous. You wouldn't want any of your properties (creative or otherwise) stolen from you would you?
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Get back to me when the ACTUAL ARTIST make a majority of the profit from their creative work, then we'll discuss.
Remember Me
(1,532 posts)went about it would literally shut down the internet. They wanted webmasters to police what was posted on their site. If some came to DU and posted some copyrighted material -- the owner could get DU shut down FIRST, no questions asked. Come to think of it, if I understand enough of the whole Righthaven issue, it would be like that went exactly the other way, but without any court appearances to sort it out first -- just the demand to shut down the whole bleepin' site, and boom! that's it.
We just CANNOT let such a "ham-fisted" approach to the issue destroy the internet.
Here are some links you may find useful:
***** Be a HERO and Help STOP SOPA Now!! I'll tell you How! This Video that Must Be SHARED!
Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Negative_impact_on_DNS.2C_DNSSEC_and_internet_security
SOPA Is Not A Black Or White Issue
http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/digital-marketing/stopping-sopa/
WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the
&feature=player_embedded#!
Stop the Great Firewall of America
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/opinion/firewall-law-could-infringe-on-free-speech.html?_r=3
SOPA
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/510787-sopa.html
What is SOPA Bill 2012? 7 Things to Know About Controversial Legislation
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/272580/20111225/sopa-bill-2012-things-know-controversial-legislation.htm
Goodbye Godaddy. $6.99 transfer to Namecheap. SOPASucks
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/509367-goodbye-godaddy-6-99-transfer-namecheap-sopasucks.html
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Here is the website:
http://black-march.com/
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Can I still watch tv and listen to the radio?
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Remember Me
(1,532 posts)progressoid
(49,971 posts)I'm broke.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Don't kid yourself that the executives will feel anything from something like this. If anything, they will cuts jobs, most likely jobs at the lowest paid level.
great idea! not.
mahina
(17,640 posts)Movies, ok.
Books?
Ouch.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Besides, we've always got the Assklown Parade of Twits Republican campaign to watch to keep us entertained.
We are the 99%, so this shouldn't be so hard for us to do.
patrice
(47,992 posts)TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)If an independent can't go a month without a set back in income, they have either been incredibly lucky or they don't manage their business well.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)in February!