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Gun people. I don't know the answer but if the right to bear arms is absolute then why was the clause " a well regulated militia" put in the second amendment?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It was put in there because it was specifically written to have relevance in colonial times...it no longer has relevance...
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)msongs
(67,381 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They own guns, right? And there are gun regulations, right? SEE?!?!?!?!
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)FUCKING NRA nuts.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Anytime you want to explain.... Just lemme know. I don't think they said "WELL REGULATED" for no reason. But I'm all ears.
valerief
(53,235 posts)doc03
(35,321 posts)nuts have a solution for all this we arm everyone in the school. We need more guns everyone should be packing heat hell give the kids guns..
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... if every five year old was armed to the teeth ... this never would have happened (only a slight exagerations).... yeah right, idiots
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)1. Controlled by the government.
2. Well stocked.
Obviously, people are likely to latch onto the meaning they feel best represents their own political views on the subject.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Well-regulated=well-stocked?
In what universe? As for "controlled by the government" (horrors!) the government at the time did not have a standing army and in fact feared such. The militia was there for low-level conflicts and frontier skirmishes, and an army could be called up if needed.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)WAS the Army. The militia was formed for local defence, but could be called up by the states to form the Army.
elleng
(130,834 posts)Reasonable regulation IS permitted.
The McDonald decision (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf) extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington; it was the first time the court had said there was an individual right to gun ownership rather than one related to military service.
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)which is at the ready for battle against the US government, should the US government get "out of hand".
I kid you not. I've had recent "discussions" to this effect.
progressoid
(49,963 posts)mzmolly
(50,984 posts)take out a drone, apparently.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)"ready for battle against the US government, should the US government get "out of hand". which IS NOT at all what the amendment was for.
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)you. I'm just reporting the nonsense I've come across of late.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)F.P. #29 goes into detail what "well-regulated" means. In short, "trained like an army is trained". F.P. #29 also discusses the havoc that would ensue if widespread gun ownership happened without training.
Kinda prophetic, those Founding Fathers.
petronius
(26,602 posts)armed citizenry is a necessary precondition to that militia, so 3) the existing right to arms shouldn't be infringed.
It doesn't follow that active militia membership is a requirement to exercise that right, nor does it follow that the right is absolute: as with the rest of the BoR, there is a whole range of permissible regulation before 'infringement' in the Constitutional sense kicks in...
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and fantasize about being in the Green Berets.
I'm sure that's what the drafters of the Constitution intended.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)In Canada we have a volunteer Armed Forces. There is a strong Cadet and militia/Reserve program. Anybody can join as long as you're fit enough to take part. I was in a militia program for a summer and decided it wasn't for me, but I had a blast doing it.
We were issued a firearm and live ammunition when we went to the range (about twice a week). The rest of the time, we drilled with it and when the program was finished, I had to give it back for the person to use.
I have no idea where they went from something like that to everybody's allowed to carry them openly.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)You can't have a militia without people. The second amendment specifies the regulation of militias and that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So you can regulate a militia when all the people who already own and bear arms show up with them.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)That's what the Supreme Court interprets as the amendment's intent.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Now is it?
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Kablooie
(18,623 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)let alone "well".
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)That has always been a lie perpetrated by the NRA. Unfortunately, the Roberts court literally made shit up about the Second Amendment a couple of years ago.
Hardly a peep in the world against the Roberts court jettisoning decades of case law and precedent. But that's what it did.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it was added to ensure that certain rights were specifically protected from the government.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)and there is no sense at all for "A well regulated militia". It is a bygone mentality and it is not fit for the 21st century.
hack89
(39,171 posts)that is the only real path you have.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)not immediately, but something has to change, and if anyone finds that such actions are acceptable because of they want to maintain an outdated right then those who choice otherwise have the right to be protected from that outdated right.
hack89
(39,171 posts)as it stands right now the right to bear arms is an individual right - see the Heller and McDonald cases if you are not clear on the actual law.