DJT thanks Musk for 'vote-counting computers'

[Jrose]

This is what DJT said on the stage about Musk at his 'victory rally' today:
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@Acyn
'Trump: He was very effective. He knows those computers better than anybody. Those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. It was pretty good. Thank you to Elon'

(Excerpt from live blog by Oliver O'Connell, The Independent,19 January 2025)

[yellow dahlia]

1. Some of us, on this forum, have been talking about Musk's involvement in tabulations.

I guess this confirms it.

It's no longer the quiet part...and the grifter feels emboldened to make the confessions out loud...and to an audience of many.

[SledDriver]

11. It was the whole lottery scam

The million dollar prizes were given to trump team loyalists. That’s how they got around the legality issue.

To enter the "lottery" you had to register to vote. What they got out of that is the name of people who hadn't registered or hadn't voted yet in swing states. Those swing states then got wildly more bullet ballots than non-swing states.

[yellow dahlia]

16. Oh!!! Insightful!

Data mining.

If they would only put their clever and creative minds toward good...

[EdmondDantes_]

20. This was proven false almost as quickly as the guy posted it originally

Take North Carolina which he claimed had 300,000 of these so called bullet ballots. The vote total difference between the presidential and governor election was about fewer than 88,000 not 300,000 and there's absolutely no way that guy could have actually told you if the difference was because the voter only voted for Trump and no other races given he's never seen the ballots. You are welcome to do the math yourself, but the claim is blatantly inaccurate.

Presidential race Trump 2,898,423, Harris 2,715,375, Jill Stein 24,762, Others 41,087 Total 5,679,647
Governor race Josh Stein 3,069,496, Robinson 2,241,309, Ross 176,392, Others 104,350 Total 5,592,547

Difference is 87,100 not 300,00

https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/north-carolina/
https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/north-carolina/governor/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/21/stephen-spoonamore-letter-harris/

[questionseverything]

51. We have trump admitting musk got into "vote counting " computers

And still you defend his illegitimate “win”

[Irish_Dem]

23. If they pulled a number of different strategies like this in a number of states

along with Russian and Chinese efforts, and all the propaganda, that is what made the difference.

[yellow dahlia]

39. Absolutely. A lot of contributing variables. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

40. Exactly, all of it very clever. All subtle, multi-factor.

Out in plain sight.

[Cha]

13. I haven't been talking about it... But I've been

THINKING IT.

TY

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

37. And we were told, we "Don't be ridiculous!"

😒

[yellow dahlia]

38. Right - and get over it...move on.

P.S. Love your moniker

[Whyisthisstillclose]

2. Too bad there isn't anyone interested in

investigating things like this any more.

[vapor2]

26. Maybe Jim Jordan???? lmao

[Whyisthisstillclose]

27. Put Comer on the case! He's a pit bull!

[riversedge]

3. Trump has no clue what he is yapping about.

[Coolgoober]

4. Wake up

He's trolling you!!!!

[Skittles]

7. Trump is too stupid to troll

he is sucking Elon's ass

[ColinC]

5. Bullshit innuendo on his part and bait for election denialists

People need to stop playing right into that assholes trap. Stop taking his bait.

The worst thing about a lot of folks on the left: The right throws out all kinds of pathetic stupid bait meant to rile us up just so that they can go back and say "hey look all they care about is denying the election, or making your kids transgender" or some of other cockamamie manufactured rubbish. If we are going to win back hearts and minds, we need start by not letting those asshole's play us like a fucking fiddle.

[malaise]

6. Truth will out

Signed. doubting malaise

[BComplex]

29. I'm with you, doubting malaise.

I want to hear this truth on every network. I want to see it played as often as the Biden debate problem.

[True Blue American]

55. Agree!

[dchill]

8. "Anything can be hacked." - Elon Musk.

"We don't need any votes." - Donald Trump.

[Initech]

21. Remember back in the Bush years when they had Tetris running on voting machines?

And that's considered old tech by today's standards.

[dchill]

22. Uh, yeah. I'm 73. REAL dry behind the ears.

And I was really good at Tetris!

[cadoman]

25. tabulators aren't connected to the Internet, they can't be hacked

We've been over this numerous times with the repukes. CISA has stated that the elections are secure.

https://www.cisa.gov/topics/election-security/rumor-vs-reality

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-starlink-2024-election/

https://coppercourier.com/2024/11/13/elon-musk-starlink-election/

[moniss]

35. You don't need to be connected to the internet to "hack" something.nt

[littlemissmartypants]

58. Very good point. ❤️

[MLWR]

9. Why do I have a feeling

that donald is gloating about LoneSkum's "fixing" the results of the election?

[Cha]

12. I think he is... he can't keep his Big Mouth Shut about Anything.

[2naSalit]

17. He always...

Gloats too soon.

[Cha]

30. And, Always Gloats about Shit...

Made up or Not.

They got a fucking Liar and they're too Stupid to care.

[True Blue American]

54. My first thought, Cha!🤪

The ignorant fool has no cut off valve on his butt hole looking mouth. He will blab about anything if he thinks it helps him..

Trump sat without any expression in his eyes while the Pastor chastised him. Vance caught it right away, so did Tiffany and others. Trump had to wait until he was outside.

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[Cha]

10. So the Fucker's Big Diarreah Mouth admitted

They could Only "win" by Cheating..

[MadameButterfly]

42. He's thanking Elon, not the voters

for Pennsylvania:

Either he is admitting to voting machine fraud he instigated
Or
Elon has convinced him falsely (or not) that he gave Trump the election

Either way he is bragging about it.
Proud of cheating.
Feeling it's safe now to say it out loud with no repercussions.

[Cha]

44. Yes! Excellent point. Stupid Mump Didn't thank the

Voters of PA.. just the Voting machines and the other half of Mump.

TY

[spike jones]

14. The company E S &S makes a voting/counting machine that is commonly used. IDK if Musk is involved with

that one, but just ten lines of code in any computer machine could change every third D vote to R vote. I remember after the 2000 election the Diebold company claimed that the way their machines' counted votes was private business information. I think Diebold is now ES&S.

By the way, E S & S stands for Elections Stolen and Sold.

[MadameButterfly]

43. There have been a lot of problems with ES&S

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it

This doesn't cover everything I've heard over the years, just my first search.
If we ignore any suspicions now, forget an free and fair election in 2 years.
Trump and Elon are admitting they are up to something, let's believe them.

[mr715]

15. Trolling.

That is all.

[Babajida]

34. Boasting

Narcissists can't help themselves. Especially narcissists with early onset dementia.

[Celerity]

18. How US Voting Machines Became Safer Than Ever

Clear Ballot shows just how slow, steady and paper-dependent the industry is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-us-voting-machines-clear-ballot/

https://archive.ph/o8JFk



Chip Trowbridge is confident his voting machines are secure, but he’ll run the thought experiment with you. An assortment of the machines are resting on a counter at the downtown Boston office of Clear Ballot Group Inc., and Trowbridge, the company’s chief technology officer, is facetiously pointing out the bonkers number of steps a bad actor would need to take to compromise one of its ClearCast computer scanners.

Any tampering would have to take place on-site, because the ClearCast systems aren’t connected to the internet. Most arrive at county voting precincts in fastened containers or locked cages. “There’s one 120-volt plug out the back, and that’s it—no Wi-Fi, no Bluetooth, no Ethernet, no nothing,” Trowbridge says. Republican and Democratic officials are supposed to set them up together by tearing security seals with identifying serial numbers and entering unique passwords after booting them up. Data is stored on three redundant drives, including two locked-in USB sticks, and any poll worker inputs on the devices (such as removing one of the sticks) are logged by the equivalent of an airplane’s black box.

Then there’s the paper trail. On Election Day, voters feed their handmarked ballots into the scanner, which is the size of a cash register and has a thick screen on top. It tabulates blackened ovals and captures a digital image of the entire slip for backup, then spits the ballot down into a bolted cabinet so it can be audited by hand if needed. The scanners are tested with sample votes beforehand, and often afterward, to ensure there are no discrepancies between digital counts and physical entries. As Trowbridge entertains and ultimately shoots down increasingly absurd but-what-about-this scenarios, such as counterfeit ballots or malware-laced thumb drives, he stops short with a frank reminder: “We’re already in crazy territory if any of this is happening.”



Clear Ballot and its larger rivals, Dominion Voting Systems Corp. and Election Systems & Software LLC, operate in a different kind of crazy territory these days. The industry has long experienced perpetual upheaval. Following the paper-ballot fiasco of 2000 (hanging chads, anyone?), sweeping regulations pushed the US from punch cards to paperless DREs, or direct-recording electronics. Voters hit buttons or a touchscreen, and their selections were programmed into the computer’s memory. But DREs fell out of favor in the 2010s, because the virtual approach didn’t allow for manual recounts, and they were hard to check for inaccuracies and meddling. So began a shift back to physical ballots, particularly after Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump and Democrats howled about Russian interference and questioned the 2016 election’s legitimacy.

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[lapfog_1]

32. I can't begin to tell you how many flaws I identified

in this detailed explanation.

I am probably the foremost computer expert on DU. And I am a former Hacker... and then White Hat... ran security for NASA... did some of the security for the White House ( which isn't really secure ) and once did work for the Brown Company, aka The Puzzle Palace aka The NSA. None of which I can ever discuss in detail other than I had a security clearance. One where they investigated me all the way back to the age of 3 or 4. As in tracked down my parents neighbors that remember me as a 4 year old. grade school teachers and classmates.. all the way to college and into my work life. The FBI was VERY thorough.

Anyone remember the Morris worm ( one of the first widespread hacks )... I was on the team that traced it and killed it.

That system of described security measures including the paper ballots COULD be hacked, given enough resources and the willingness to do so and the key is that even if you didn't hack the paper ballots, is the phrase "so it can be audited by hand if needed"... and understanding how "need" is established. The key to a good hack is to NOT make a big enough change to something that it is noticed but which is big enough to make the desired outcome. Don't swing an election by 20 points over what the polling shows... not when 3 percent will do the trick. Yet make the difference big enough that no one demands a recount ( which MIGHT lead to discovery ).

Think of a very early banking hack. Someone at a major bank wrote COBOL ( god help me ) to calculate accrued interest on every savings account... realized that it rounded to the nearest penny... and they made a slight change to to truncate rather than round... taking the extra fraction of a penny and dropping into a different account. The bank auditors never caught on because the amount of interest owed checked out completely... and the account holders never caught on because a fraction of a penny didn't ever strike them and being "wrong" even if they took the time to calculate the interest owed. Over time and 100s of thousands of accounts, the "extra account" eventually grew too big... and the perps were caught only because the IRS wanted to know the source of the income for this account that was owned by a single individual who DID NOT declare this on his taxes... too greedy and too paranoid. Oops.

The only thing that isn't hackable is paper ballots, marked by the voter, and counted by hand multiple times. In public view and with reporting totals done in public all the way up until you have a state total or, my preference, a national total for the two elected officers to national office. No electronics anywhere near the process.

but I've stated this all before. There isn't any evidence that this election was stolen other than the polling was wrong. But the polling is always wrong but plus or minus... that said... I claim that it is certainly possible.

[moondust]

41. Simple question:

Do you believe TSF won ALL SEVEN swing states?

I find it a little hard to believe.

Thx.

[MadameButterfly]

46. Whatever fix was in, they did it in all 7 states

Trump always overperforms polls. We should ask why.
I don't buy the shy Trump voter theory.

[moondust]

48. They had nearly 4 years to perfect it.

I'm sure Eloon employs a lot of advanced programmers. Some are probably MAGAts who would be happy to work on the "tabulator project."

[MadameButterfly]

45. Thanks to both of you for detailed information

which I'll digest in time. I've been suspicious of claims that voting is safe since Bush beat Kerry in 16 states in the wee hours of the night after Kerry won those exit polls. Claims that voting has become safer ring hollow when those statistics were soundly ignored. Safer how? Safer than what you already told us was safe, so we shouldn't have been complaining before you made them safer?

Meanwhile kids at conventions were hacking voting machines in minutes.
There were a lot of us afraid post 2004 that there would never be an accurate vote count again. Others would roll their eyes if you even mentioned it. 2 Obama wins gave us hope. But the lack of recognition that voting machine fraud might have already happened nationally and in certain problematic races makes us worry about complacency.

So I hope both posts above will enlighten me, one way or the other.

[Sparkly]

50. I remember 2004, too!

Ken Blackwell and the Diebold machines in Ohio, with absolutely NO way to prove validity...

[MadameButterfly]

53. Diebold technicians "serviced" the machines

during the recount

[Sparkly]

49. How about using a sample of paper ballots to test validity

of the machine counts? I know the results need to be close to trigger an automatic recount, but is there something that either causes or rules out using the sampling method? I thought this was the main reason for paper ballots (other than hand-counting if necessary).

The ballot design in Florida was clearly a mess, and the whole state ought to have been recounted. The 2004 election didn't use paper in key states and precincts, which iirc created some strange anomalies (voter registrations and demographics vs. results) as well as contradictory exit polling - but again, scattered only in certain states, districts, and precincts (just enough to matter), and no way to validate the tabulators.

So I was glad to see the return to paper ballots and optical scanning. Unfortunately, there's still the Electoral College and loud liars in echo chambers. I'm not sure whether polling was way off (it really wasn't in 2016) or whether something didn't work this time. What do you think?

[lapfog_1]

52. hand marked ballots, not computer marked

and hand counted, multiple times. No "hanging chads", no machine tabulations... do it with a calculator if you must, but I would prefer pen and paper tabulations. Even if the results take like 4 days to tabulate and declare a winner. In fact, get all the court challenges and overseas and provisional ballots ruled on and counted before any number is leaked to the press. The goddam press can simply wait a week to declare the result.

What is the damn hurry to know who wins?

[True Blue American]

57. Right!

[True Blue American]

56. I worked in the days

Of the punch cards, then memory cards. That was the worst. Paper ballots are the best.
That is why I now vote absentee.

[Botany]

19. Vote counting computers aka central tabulators

It was dirty and the media will not say shit.

[Horse with no Name]

24. I agree

I remember the feeling going into Election Day.
I know it wasn’t my imagination

[doc03]

28. This election it seemed like the Republicans had a strange confidence like they

did in 2016 that they were going to win months before the election.

[DET]

31. Oh For Christ's Sake...

Trump just admitted that Musk stole the election and the response here is that he was ‘trolling’. Get real. Trump was bragging. I doubt that the Republican establishment is laughing at his ‘joke’. At the barest minimum, that comment requires serious scrutiny. Of course, so do his other confessions (‘e.g., I don’t need your votes’), but nobody seems to have any interest.

[Blue Owl]

33. Jesus Fucking Christ

It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out this motherfucker cheated — he’s getting away with it in broad daylight while we all just sit and watch the horror unfold

[spanone]

36. Admission of guilt?

Sure sounds like it.

[MadameButterfly]

47. Can you imagine if a Democrat

said George Soros or Bill Gates helped with the vote counting and gave them Pennsylvania and the election?
Think there'd be an armed resistance to make Jan.6 look small?