i just counted all my guns...guess I'm a gun nut to some

[backwoodsbob]

including my pellet guns I have 13 guns in the house...ask me anything

[still_one]

1. How many assault weapons do you have?

[backwoodsbob]

16. none

that is a made up term used to scare people

[morningfog]

22. How many "made up" assault weapons do you have?

C'mon, you know what the poster meant.

[backwoodsbob]

24. none

why would I want an underpowered synthetic stock PoS when I have MUCH more powerful hunting rifles

[Bjorn Against]

2. Do you support any new gun control measures?

[Liberal Veteran]

6. Excellent question. Cuts through the bullshit and lets us get down to it. -nt

[backwoodsbob]

20. i do

I support allowing private citizans to use the NiCS system

[morningfog]

23. Wow. Quite radical of you. That's it?

[backwoodsbob]

35. yep

tightening the mental health system in this country has nothing to do with guns and we need the mental health system overhauled

[riderinthestorm]

45. This family had plenty of cash for mental health services

They either didn't get them.

Or didn't think they needed them.


THIS case isn't about a failure of mental health services. This family had PLENTY of resources to ensure this particular tragedy isn't about mental health issues.

its about a slaughter. With guns.

[backwoodsbob]

56. no...you are wrong

how many links do you need to people saying he had *issues*

I can provide a few.

[riderinthestorm]

64. So he has a mental health "break", grabs 4 kitchen knives and heads to the local school

Do you think, for one single second, there'd be this kind of carnage?? He never would have made it past the locked front doors since he wouldn't have had a gun to shoot out the glass.

Your defense of this is disgusting.

[backwoodsbob]

70. no and your non interest in discussion is disgusting

have you read anything I said?
I have said I'm for making the NICS system mandatory for private sales
I support a TOTAL ban on handguns...go get em and melt em all down..including mine.

Where am I defending anything?

[Squinch]

123. NICS checks wouldn't have prevented Lanza's "responsible gun owner" mother from buying these guns.

Would have had absolutely no preventative effect on this situation.

And given that they are now saying he used the rifle to kill the children, the handgun ban would also have done nothing to keep those 20 babies alive.

What else you got?

[DonCoquixote]

82. a lot of people have those same issues

and they do not shoot people.

And do not try to get into an argument with my bipolar and Asberger affected brain (yes, a twofer) about mental health issues in this country, especially when I had to go on medicare, and this family had more than enough money to get doctors.

[Squinch]

119. He had access to all the mental health services money could buy. He still slaughtered 20 babies.

That's because he also had access to all of his "responsible gun owner" mother's guns.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

67. So wait....did you just imply the shooter didn't actually have mental health issues?

Shame on them for having so many guns, but give them a pass for not seeing someone in the family had a serious problem and should have addressed it?

We need to have a serious discussion about the stigma still attached to mental illness and the willingness to stick heads in the sand until it's too late. All the money in the world means shit if you don't use the resources.

[backwoodsbob]

77. thank you

you get it

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

87. I'm not absolving the family for having so many guns....

....in a house with a person who needed serious, serious help. That was a double whammy. But taking all the guns away won't stop all violence unless we address these issues.

I had a two former teachers of mine attacked in their home by their own son who had mental issues. He stabbed them. One was killed, the other barely survived and was able to call 911. The fact he didn't have a gun available to him was a positive....but it did not stop violence from happening.

[Yo_Mama]

121. Horrible story

But it does happen.

[Squinch]

124. It stopped the violence from spreading to 27 other people.

[Squinch]

120. That isn't what the poster is saying. The argument the gun nuts always use is that if only we would

provide access to sufficient mental health services, these things wouldn't happen.

That simply isn't the case.

This man was from a very wealthy family. Whatever help an overhauled mental health system could provide, that help was already available to Lanza. He had access to all the mental health services he could use.

Yet still, all those children are dead.

So access to mental health services is, as we see here, not sufficient to prevent these slaughters.

What we know from looking at other countries and from areas that have local gun control laws is that gun control DOES prevent or at least vastly diminish these slaughters.

The mental health argument is a canard. Of course we need to provide better mental health services. But that's not the answer here.

[forthemiddle]

138. What law would have prevented this nut from going on this rampage?

I am not asking about how his mother may have been able to prevent it (although he could have just stolen the guns from another source), I am asking what gun control laws, outside a total ban and confiscation of ALL guns, would have prevented this from happening?

[Squinch]

145. How about mandatory secure storage of firearms in homes, with random checks and stiff fines for

non-compliance? That would require licensing of guns and lists of gun-owners. How about that?

How about he can't have that Bushmaster automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine? That's the gun that he killed all the kids with. Why the hell is that a legal gun?

How about stiff restrictions and limitations on who can own handguns? How about a buyback program for handguns? How about incremental taxes for additional guns in the house? How many guns does the average homeowner need?

How about no gun purchases at gun shows? How about we close that loophole that lets Columbian drug lords and gang members stockpile arsenals?

[Faygo Kid]

3. What's your point? You think this is all about you?

I don't.

[backwoodsbob]

27. no..i think it's time both sides talk to each other instead of at each other

fair enough?

[Faygo Kid]

76. No. Ban assault weapons.

There's little to talk about with gun nuts. Time to act.

[backwoodsbob]

83. excellent..lets ban assault weopens

that will solve about 1% of gun crime.

Can we quit with the bullshit AW red herring?

We dont need an assault weopen ban....we need a handgun ban

[rwheeler31]

4. Why?

[me b zola]

5. Are you in a rural area?

Are your weapons for hunting?

[backwoodsbob]

29. yes they are hunting guns

the pellet guns(3) are for fun..the others...all hunting guns except for the shotgun I have for home defense....and before you ask I don't carry...don't believe in it and wouldn't have a problem if they banned it.

[me b zola]

42. I think its important in the discussion to understand differences in rural culture & suburban/urban

I don't think that any good can come out of hand guns or assault rifles anywhere, but I've lived in the country and owning hunting weapons in that situation makes sense.

[backwoodsbob]

62. i agree

with the hand guns thought...I wouldn't blink if they banned all handguns...I would turn mine in.THAT would stop a lot of gun violence

[AlexSatan]

99. Not really

"93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows)."

[laundry_queen]

109. omfg

yes, obtained illegally. Usually stolen from places that had possession of them legally.

Less overall guns=less stolen guns=less gun crime.

It's the arithmetic, stupid.

[AlexSatan]

114. SO you really think all of those guns

can be collected?

Especially all of those that were obtained illegally?

[Squinch]

127. +1

[myrna minx]

7. Is today about your gun collection or about the slaughtered children?

Do you support any gun control measures?

[backwoodsbob]

31. it's about people like you

Do you feel guilty every time a drunk driver kills someone?

[myrna minx]

44. not worth it.

[backwoodsbob]

66. and if you knew I lost two members of my family

to guns in a war you wouldn't ask suck questions to start with

[myrna minx]

75. *You* posted this provocative thread with "ask me anything!"

If you didn't want "suck" questions like mine, especially when you post a thread the night after the slaughter of 20 children why did you post this thread? I find your answers cold, cruel and selfish.

[backwoodsbob]

88. and I find you attitude cold and petulant

do you have a point?

[myrna minx]

91. How Silly. You've received the response you were looking for this eve.

You knew exactly how this would be received the night after a national massacre. Enjoy!

[backwoodsbob]

98. pretty much

[myrna minx]

110.

[renie408]

51. You keep using that analogy.

But it really doesn't make the point you think it makes. It lacks validity in that most Americans cannot manage their lives without a car. You COULD survive quite well without your guns. Cars have multiple uses. Guns are really made for one thing...killing stuff. The fact that you like playing with your killing apparatus does not mean that it was designed for something other than killing.

And that particular analogy tends to make you look stupid. I would avoid it in the future.

[backwoodsbob]

90. i have stated

I support a 100% total handgun ban.

Turn em all in..I will be first in line

[Squinch]

128. Next, are you going to ask if we feel guilty whenever anyone uses a spoon?

Because that "do you feel guilty every time a drunk driver kills someone" argument is every bit as moronic as the "spoons don't cause obesity and guns don't cause deaths" argument.

[Auntie Bush]

8. How many kids live in your house?

Where do you keep them? Why do you have so many? What do you think of gun control laws? Do you think worry that someone is coming to get your guns in the future?

[backwoodsbob]

33. zero kids in the house

I have different guns for different uses.
I wish they would expand NiCS check to private sales.
I don't worry about people taking my guns....they are locked in a VERY heavy safe...the house would burn before the safe

[safeinOhio]

86. Are you suggesting that

voluntary NICS would work, or are you calling for mandatory background checks on private sales?

[backwoodsbob]

92. mandatory

fucking a mandatory..every sale.The ONLY exception would be guns passed down

[0rganism]

9. any of them gone missing since you last counted?

got a locker for them?
do you use it?
how much ammo do you keep around?
are you afraid someone violent might invade your home?

[backwoodsbob]

48. never lost a gun

have a VERY heavy fireproof safe
yes I have every gun except my home defense shotgun locked up
I have at the moment about 9,000 rounds total...most of it .22 and .17

Am I afraid?...no

[Floyd_Gondolli]

74. 9,000 rounds?

Why so many?

[bongbong]

78. Probably ....

Either the "Rambo" syndrome, or the "We Will Defeat The Evil Gov't And Its Drones And Tanks And Lasers With My Popguns" syndrome.

[Posteritatis]

96. Or "range shooting eats a lot of ammo so might as well hop on bulk sales when they come up." (nt)

[Glassunion]

143. Just an FYI.

The size of the bullets he has in his stock are incredibly small. They are usually sold loose in bulk boxes.

To give you an idea, look at the one on the far right next to the nickel, that is the .22 he is speaking about.

[backwoodsbob]

100. because it is cheaper bulk

I misspoke...I don't have 9k 22 rounds...I have 19k

[Floyd_Gondolli]

101. That's impressive

You have an armory in your house. The question is why? Afraid of the gubmnt?

[backwoodsbob]

113. im not afraid of anything

I buy in bulk....I'd rather buy at 10 cents a round than buy local at 22 cents a round

[Katashi_itto]

116. 9k rounds are for the coming Zombie Apocalypse duh!

Or he's related to dragons...dragons like to hoard gold, Gun nuts like to roll naked on their piles of bullets

[riderinthestorm]

10. Not enough info. What's your position on registering those guns?

Taxing ammo at $1.00 a shot?

If I had 13 cats, I'd be called the crazy cat lady.

If I had 13 dogs, I'd be called nuts.

Furthermore, what the fuck kind of response do you think you are going to get with an OP like that in light of recent events? Applause?

Flamebait.

[backwoodsbob]

102. would you agree to taxing votes at 1k per

otherwhise how do you tax a constitutional right?

[Cirque du So-What]

11. What, specifically, is it about this latest gun massacre that gets you so turgid?

That qualifies as 'anything,' right?

[DocMac]

12. You passed the test for my

ignore list. You'll find friends there.

[morningfog]

13. Are you planning on responding?

[bluerum]

14. Jeez. They called you a nut! You poor thing. Does it hurt?

[frank380]

15. Do you have anything in a .416?

Just curious.

[JohLast]

118. I don't know about the poster,

but I have 300 round so .416.

[NNN0LHI]

141. Felt that info was important enough to join DU today, did you?

Interesting.

Don

[kelly1mm]

17. Jury voted 1 to hide, 5 not to hide. nt

[NNN0LHI]

142. Bet the ones who voted not to hide are regretting their decision now

I am sure Skinner is checking his list twice on this thread. If you know what I mean?

Don

[NYC_SKP]

18. No questions, just sad at some of the accusatory responses.

I have a 22 pistol, a 22 rifle, a 22WRF rifle, two .410s, and I think that's it for firearms.

Also, one air rifle worth as much and as powerful as any of the others.

I have never seen so much misinformed kneejerk responding as these past two days, on DU.

[L0oniX]

140. "misinformed kneejerk responding" I agree ...and much more.

Reminds me of the reaction to 911 ....like a mound of red ants that has been stepped on and now they blindly attack anything close by.

[Starry Messenger]

19. Which one did you use to shoot your nephew's dog?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x8665082

[RetroLounge]

40. Nice find

"I'd have shot HER again SHE moved
I'd have shot HER a third time"

Wow, big tough guy with 13 guns and a dog-killer to boot.

RL

[Starry Messenger]

50. Yup yup.

Funny, rarely see him here in GD.

[riderinthestorm]

53. Oh my god. The OP shot his nephew's dog??? Gun culture on steroids...

[renie408]

57. Gee, I notice he isn't exactly answering ALL the questions.

And he really likes using that 'ask me anything' line.

Poor thing. I guess nobody really asks him much of anything otherwise.

[Kolesar]

71. Ask him to "shut up", then ? ... eom

[Judi Lynn]

129. If only! It could "make my day".

[center][/center]

[Starry Messenger]

94. Hmmm.

Still *crickets*

[Floyd_Gondolli]

81. Excellent find, OP is a moon bat

Most people wouldn't race to the computer to brag on an Internet message board right away after an experience like that. Very Weird and twisted. It's amazing the evolution of the OP in this thread. The more details you find out about them, the weirder they get. This person also claims to have 9,000 rounds of ammo in his house. I'd hate to be the ATF agent that ever comes knocking on that door. Sounds like he's been preparing for the "end times".

Delete away, I don't give a damn.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

105. A shining example of mature, responsible gun ownership.

Shooting their nephew's pet out of anger because they were bitten breaking up a dog fight.

Hopefully they're full of crap and they never actually did such a petty, mean spirited thing.

[msanthrope]

122. Nice find. nt

[whistler162]

125. Nice find...

He shot the dog that attacked his dog and then turned on him when he tried to stop the attack.

EPIC and failure on your part!

[Starry Messenger]

131. Shooting a pet dog is felony animal cruelty in many states.

Just FYI in case you're thinking of trying it.

[NNN0LHI]

137. Thanks Starry

That just proves one gun is too many for that DUer. He shouldn't even have access to a pellet gun.

Thank you for taking the time to show us how infiltrated DU is. I knew it all along. But you just proved how prevalent and brazen they are. They are really stupid too.

We need our moderators back and do away with the jury system ASAP. Skinner would have taken care of this poster himself with no fanfare in a jiffy. All it would take was a PM from one of us about this character and it would have been, "poof."

Don

[Wind Dancer]

21. Oh FFS!

Sounds like you are seeking attention.

Welcome to my ignore list!

[Michigan Alum]

28. My thoughts exactly: an attention-seeking individual. Do not feed him.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

30. An attention-seeking individual with an arsenal... doesn't usually end well...

[Barack_America]

43. Of course he's seeking attention.

That's why he has 13 guns in the first place.

[SammyWinstonJack]

106. Always is. nt

[JoePhilly]

25. Ask you anything ... ok, what is your political affiliation?

Or I could ask questions like ...

Have you and your spouse had any domestic issues?
Have either of you committed adultery?
Does one or more of you have anger management issues?
DO you have any step children who struggle with their family status?
Are your guns locked up and are you the only one with access?

[Katashi_itto]

38. Question: After posting this just after a horrific slaughter of children, do you feel

mental health issues? Narcissism comes to mind.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Yup.

[SoCalDem]

32. I counted mine too.. ZERO

[pinboy3niner]

34. What a coincidence

Same here.

[dchill]

37. I have 7 guitars...

And everyone thinks I'm a guitar nut. They're right, but I damn sure don't have any guns. That would be a different nut to crack. If I had 13 guitars, I'd have to wonder why I thought I needed that many.

Different guitars are needed to play different styles of music. I suppose different guns are used for shooting different styles of life. Is that right?

I've read that people who own guns are more likely to be killed by their own weapon than to save their own life. Do you think you are 13 times more likely to be killed by one of your own guns?

Do you have children who live with you?

[Katashi_itto]

61. Maybe the OP needs different guns to shoot different types of dogs...

Since he does that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x8665082#8665484

Btw I have 4 guitars and an electric Sitar, once owned by The Edge of U2 The prize of my collection!

[Deep13]

73. Well, for me it's paper targets...

...but you are basically right. Serious shoots admire the mechanical aspects of different varieties, appreciate the craftsmanship, and use different guns for different kinds of shooting. A majority of mine shoot the underpowered .22 rimfire because it is cheap, a challenge to shoot accurately at 100 yards, and because paper targets won't kill me if I miss.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

39. 27 families are going through a living hell as we speak....

.....why the hell should we care about how many guns you own?

[k2qb3]

47. That's a really good question.

Which begs another.

Why are 90% of the threads here since the tragic news broke concerned with how many guns people own?

[cbrer]

41. Perhaps narrow down the def. of "gun nut"?

Does that imply enthusiasm? Over indulgence? Psychopathic tendencies?

PS: 5 weapons in the house. My assault rifle IS secured.

[JI7]

46. are you feeling sorry for yourself ?

[hrmjustin]

49. Why in God's name do you have 13 guns for?

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Are you waiting for the revolution?

[Deep13]

52. Amateur! I think I have 15 or 16, none are air guns.

oh, and y'all can ask me anything too.

[union_maid]

54. Yes

If you have to count your guns, you are a gun nut.

[Deep13]

63. Err, what if you can't remember how many you have?

[smokey nj]

133. I didn't think that was something a responsible gun owner would forget.

[GeorgeGist]

55. How many assholes?

[jpak]

58. Why does anyone "need" thirteen guns?

Even if you hunt - a deer rifle and a pump 12 ga is all the guns you *need* to to hunt any critter legal to shoot.

Any more than that is gun nuttery.

And anyone that *needs* an Ak or SKS or AR-15 or 30 round clips does not have food-on-the-table in mind...

Yup

[Major Nikon]

107. I can't agree

I have a few guns. All of them but one have been in my family and passed down through the generations. I'm not going to get rid of them just because someone thinks I might be a gun nut for having more than 2. I'm no gun nut and I don't believe the number of guns someone owns necessarily makes them a gun nut. I'm firmly on the side of gun control. I have my g-g-grandfather's civil war officer's sword also which I don't use for hunting. I don't think I'll be getting rid of that anytime soon either.

[renie408]

59. I would like you to answer the question about which gun you used to shoot the dog.

Since you said we can ask you anything and all.

[Jamastiene]

60. What calibers are all your guns?

How many long guns and how many hand guns?

Which one has the least amount of kickback when you shoot it?

[Kolesar]

69. I have compulsive hoarders in my family, too

They collect flashlights, TVs, Coke bottles, magazines, you name it.

[cynatnite]

68. It's obscene considering the reason why you're bragging about it. n/t

[Chorophyll]

72. +1000

Maybe the OP could have waited until a week after all the 6-year-olds were buried to post this. Of course, there will have been two more shooting sprees by next week, so I guess now is as good a time as any.

[alcibiades_mystery]

135. Indeed...backwoodsbob just confirmed precisely the type of asshole he really is

People are grieving that twenty six- and seven-year olds were slaughtered, and he's like "I just counted my guns, tra la la...my hunting guns are MUCH more powerful tra la la...watch me list some details about MY GUNS tra la."

What a senseless fuckwit. This is precisely why many of us are done speaking with these people, and why we call then NUTS. A score of children lay dead, shot multiple times with a fucking out-and-out murder machine, and this guy is bragging about his firepower, and that's his effort at dialogue!! That's his great attempt to get us to talk to each other, a chest-pumping strut fest about his baker's-dozen of weapons! That he is emotionally deficient is clear enough. That we need to simply defeat these people at the polls and stop coddling their STUPIDITY is obvious to anyone with a lick of sense. Fuck backwoodsbob and everyone like him. The time for discussion is over. The time for simply building coalitions and forcing the public will on these recalcitrant assholes is long since passed.

[Skittles]

79. your name about says it all

[BeyondGeography]

80. Have you ever used a gun in self-defense?

If so, which one and why?

[Floyd_Gondolli]

84. Have you always been a narcissistic pig?

Or is it just this week.

[SammyWinstonJack]

108. I vote 'always'.

[alcibiades_mystery]

136. +1,000,000

[tabasco]

85. Backwoods in SC?

LOL.

Must be scary with all those raccoons.

[Bonobo]

89. Do you support my right to knock you out cold if I ever saw you walking around with a gun? nt

[AldoLeopold]

93. Why are you on this forum?

I'm not asking you to leave. But you've clearly taken opposing viewpoints to the majority of the population on this board and taken loads of shit over the years. You really don't seem to be very liberal to me, which is as much as a cultural classification as it is a political one. I fully accept that I could be wrong about that.

It sounds like it would be a drag to be on this board if I were you. Tell me what your motivation is - just explain if you would indulge me? I'm actually interested - and no I'm not calling you a troll.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

95. If placed at the center of the Solar System,

would VY Canis Majoris's surface extend beyond the orbit of Jupiter or Saturn?

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Yup...none in right mind needs to own more guns

Than the average police officer.

[Pholus]

103. If you only now just counted them how are you NOT the problem?

See I know exactly how many death dealing instruments I have in my house. I periodically check them to make sure they are safe, inaccessible and undisturbed. I can also recite this list from memory.

[rufus dog]

111. Do you drive a corvette?

Smoke Cigars?

[Gormy Cuss]

112. How many do you have specifically so that you can shoot humans? n/t

[Katashi_itto]

117. I would like to know more too. He has at least one special one for shooting dogs

[Squinch]

115. Guess you are a gun nut? Surely not. You're a responsible gun owner. Just like Mrs. Lanza was.

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Right up until yesterday.

At which point her guns were used to slaughter 28 people including herself and 20 children.

Enjoy that hobby of yours.

[cantbeserious]

126. Yes - You Are Part Of The Problem

eom

[Iggy]

130. Uhhh, The Number of Guns is not the Crucial Issue

and your point is specious, more or less like the ignorant tripe we get from rush limpbaugh and the rest.

Are you mentally ill? on meds? are you a white male in your 20's or 30's? are you socially isolated, few or no friends, no social life or family support structure?

if the answer is no to most or all of the above, you don't fit the obvious profile of several of the recent rampage killers in our nation. I'm not concerned about you, or other hunters/collectors I know who own several guns and lots of ammo.

I AM worried about the guys who do fit the above profile, and who are allowed to run amok among us. it's a stupid and weak approach, and I wonder how many more little kids have to be slaughtered before the NRA bought and sold deadbeats in congress wake up and do something about it.

[Cobalt Violet]

132. How many animals have you killed?

Do you enjoy the death of animals you kill?

[smokey nj]

134. At least one - he shot his nephew's dog and bragged about it here.

[coalition_unwilling]

139. Are you a douchenozzle in real life or do you simply play one on DU? - n/t

[ThoughtCriminal]

144. How often do you count your guns?

I count how many rolls of toiler paper I have before going to the store.

[ileus]

146. Why do you hate your family?

All those potential death spewers collected in one home.