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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo apparently Dems are bringing it today but CNN and MSNBC aren't
interested. For at least the last half hour they gave him free reign to hold forth live complete with the lie about condoms going to Gaza or whatever.
In the meantime, the Dems are actually gaining entrance to USAID and standing up the way we are asking them to. There is video available but the corporate media isn't interested.
Do I have this right?

claudette
(4,951 posts)YouTube.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)(less than 30 seconds) and then right back to trump.
Im so happy to see this!
claudette
(4,951 posts)But it is great!
ancianita
(39,484 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,220 posts)ancianita
(39,484 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,220 posts)ancianita
(39,484 posts)head of Alphabet, which Google owners Brin and Page decided to form as its holding company (another corporate layer for public investment). Pichai is in a CEO role in a holding company. Which means that Brin and Page are still in control of Google.
Read about Google, then you'll see its goals for the public. Draw your own conclusions about why former Google CEO's -- Larry Page(who bought then developed the greatest AI on the planet, DeepMind), Sergey Brin, Eric Schmidt -- were not on that platform.
The only oligarch on the platform who was all in for owning government was Musk. The others were there for symbolic support, but none of them are giving this administration anything but money. It's Musk who's being the bad guy; and we'll find out if the others on that platform let him. We should know that the other MAGA founders were usually against Musk's ideas. How do I know? Because I've read 11 books on AI and am familiar with those guys on the platform.
The very best book, and a real page turner, on the history of AI and the best of Silicon Valley minds is this. Read it and you'll learn reasons for knowing who the good guys and bad guys are in Silicon Valley. Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are. The rest are idealists who want futures for their children on Earth, not Mars.
(sorry for not knowing how to control graphics size on imgur )
LymphocyteLover
(7,220 posts)But anti-trust enforcement, which big Tech hates, is why they supported the Orange piece of shit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/04/opinion/deepseek-ai-big-tech.html
ancianita
(39,484 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,220 posts)ancianita
(39,484 posts)wrong guys.
If you want to find traitors, you've got him -- Musk. He's the guy all those guys on the inaugural platform despise. None of them would ever think to conduct a domestic terrorism cyberattack on the United States Treasury, along with an insurrection to take over the Treasury, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and General Services Administration (GSA), and now USAID. Bill Gates and three other other Big Tech people monitor DOGE and Musk's data movements; they can do this from the Pentagon, where they have war rooms.
Musk's cyberattack hacker team has already gained access to the Treasury Departments payment system, allowing him access to a vast range of sensitive information about tens of millions of citizens, businesses, and more. DOGE personnel attempted to improperly access classified information and security systems at the US Agency for International Development (USAID), and then, with no help from DHS's Secret Service, the top USAID security officials who tried to thwart the attempt were immediately put on leave.
Right now, today, DOGE personnel have accessed classified material across agencies.
Musk's pattern of hostile takeover escalated further when DOGE personnel broke into the USAID building and demanded access to USAIDs security systems and personnel files systems that contain not just
-- employee data, but
-- detailed intelligence about humanitarian operations,
-- diplomatic communications, and
-- information about vulnerable populations in crisis regions that could put lives at risk if compromised.
Musk is guilty of domestic cybarattack against the United States. Musk is guilty of treason.
And now he's going after CISA, The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and core part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). CISA responsible for cybersecurity and infrastructure protection across all levels of government, coordinating cybersecurity programs with U.S. states, and improving the government's cybersecurity protections against private and nation-state hackers.
Since Musk is a private hacker leader, he's going after CISA.
Keep your eye on Musk; he's the traitor; not Silicon Valley oligarchs who historically have despised him and continue to despise him. They're silent, but once the US military acts, they'll help.
https://archive.ph/7cNvr
The US Military has in fact historically funded the establishment of what now is Silicon Valley. It's been a long and complicated relationship, which is what really has me worried, because even though the USM swears an oath top to bottom to the US Constitution, it still has to get paid. Will it side with SV oligarchs who back civilians? or with an oligarch who's unconstitutionally taken over their paymaster?
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/silicon-valley/
A force for good? That was once true, a long time ago.
ancianita
(39,484 posts)WH "special" oligarch. Believe what you want, but...
Billions enjoy what Google offers including
email (Gmail),
navigation and mapping (Waze, Maps and Earth),
cloud computing (Cloud),
web navigation (Chrome),
video sharing (YouTube),
operating systems (Android),
language translation (Translate),
photo storage (Photos), videotelephony (Meet),
smart home (Nest),
smartphones (Pixel),
wearable technology (Pixel Watch and Fitbit),
music streaming (YouTube Music),
video on demand (YouTube TV),
AI (Google Assistant and Gemini),
machine learning APIs (TensorFlow),
and Google, thanks to Jeff Dean, the godfather of Silicon Valley makes its own AI microchips (TPU) and more.
Google's other ventures outside of internet services and consumer electronics include quantum computing (Sycamore), self-driving cars (Waymo, formerly the Google Self-Driving Car Project), smart cities (Sidewalk Labs), and transformer models (Google DeepMind).
Google Search and YouTube are the two most-visited websites worldwide. Google is also the largest search engine, mapping and navigation application, email provider, office suite, online video platform, photo and cloud storage provider, mobile operating system, web browser, machine learning framework, and AI virtual assistant provider in the world as measured by market share. On the list of most valuable brands, Google is ranked second by Forbes.
Cirsium
(1,647 posts)Yes, Google is big. Yes Google has a lot of power over our lives. All bow down to the great and mighty Google.
Google gives $1 million to Trump inauguration
Google has donated $1 million to President-elect Donald Trumps inauguration fund, the company confirmed to POLITICO Thursday, matching contributions from Meta, Amazon, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and Apple CEO Tim Cook.
Tech companies have clamored to win Trump over in the months since his election, with Googles CEO Sundar Pichai among a line of executives who have flocked to Mar-a-Lago for meetings with the incoming president
Google is pleased to support the 2025 inauguration, with a livestream on YouTube and a direct link on our homepage. Were also donating to the inaugural committee, Karan Bhatia, Googles global head of government affairs and public policy, said in a statement. The company made its donation Monday.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/01/09/congress/google-donation-donald-trump-inauguration-00197233
ancianita
(39,484 posts)it built by 2000. The previous search engine, Yahoo, first in the market, was left in the dust. It still exists and folks still use it. That a competitor like Google far outstrips Yahoo's capabilities doesn't mean Google can be called a monopoly. As long as NVIDIA also had AMD as a chip competitor, it hasn't a monopoly, either, but on one has been talking about breaking NVIDIA up. For decades, both Google and NVIDIA were best at what they do, is all. Being big and the best at what one does doesn't make one evil.
Google owns DeepMind, the best AI out there, and closer than its competitors to AGI. Google's mission since acquiring DeepMind in 2014 has been that of its original three owners of the London lab, who contracted the sale with Google on two written conditions --
a) DeepMind technology never be used for military purposes, and b) that Google establish an independent ethics board that would oversee the use of DeepMind's AGI technology whenever that may arrive -- or the sale would not happen. And so the US Military has had to develop its own AI, Torch.
Break up Google to turn what of its holdings over? And to whom? Which companies would do internet search services equally as well or better? Would those companies be "good"? If Elon Musk purchased parts of Google's services, would Google then be good?
Cirsium
(1,647 posts)I knew the founders, I know their vision, and I know what happened to it.
ancianita
(39,484 posts)Cirsium
(1,647 posts)Lawrence Page and Sergey Brin, of course. I say "knew them" meaning I talked to them on the phone a few times back in '98, not that I went out to dinner with them. I was in Ann Arbor when Page was there, early 90s, and I knew people who knew him. The circle of computer pioneers was pretty small, and included Thomas Knoll, developer of Photoshop. I watched Kroll showing a couple of graphic artists the first iteration of Photoshop - 1987? My interest was digital sound, but web and graphics people were part of the same crowd.
do you think they've changed so much that you wouldn't know them now?
I mean, I didn't see them on the inaugural dais, did you?
Cirsium
(1,647 posts)The original vision as I understood it was to serve the public, and that meant delivering the most accurate results possible. Their motto at the time was "don't be evil." That was a wonderful time, but of course it couldn't last. How far we have fallen! I don't even use Google any more for search as it is so commercialized, corrupted and just generally useless. When they went public that was the beginning of the end. The dream turned into a nightmare. Results bought and paid for, "SEO" - fake pages, fake sites - surveillance and data collecting and data selling. The exact opposite of the original vision. The new motto: "be as evil as you can get away with because $$$$$$$."
I know that many Americans worship the wealthy, and see them as some sort of gods rather than as the robber barons they actually are. "They're rich, they must be doing something right!" and "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" Disgusting. And then we wonder how the billionaires got control over the country.
ancianita
(39,484 posts)was a teacher of that kind of thing back in the day. What you're describing has only happened in the last eight years, and shows up on platforms -- since around 2017 about Obama, although they existed before then -- but not from Google search engines, from what I've seen. I also like Google's AI, which is connected to Google DeepMind.
That happened apart from Silicon Valley billionaires and oligarchs.
It's pretty well known that "billionaires got control" of SCOTUS through the Koch network of oligarchs, as Senator Whitehouse has publicly laid out the history of. They didn't get control of congress or or the executive branch until this year. So far, they don't have control over the country; just an Elon Musk gang have control over The People's wealth at the Treasury, and data and systems of a few other agencies. If we still have a lawful and functioning judiciary, SCOTUS will likely support its rulings. If we still have a functioning DOJ, yet to be seen, we'll still have functioning law enforcement.
Cirsium
(1,647 posts)...
GoodRaisin
(9,780 posts)Thanks
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claudette
(4,951 posts)dweller
(25,545 posts)A stand alone thread
Thanks
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nolabear
(43,416 posts)claudette
(4,951 posts)I hope you mean Dumpy, the orange pile of dog poop.
eom
nolabear
(43,416 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,988 posts)This is so good
THey are giving me tips to write about
claudette
(4,951 posts)you don't need to "sign in" which is required when someone posts the video here. I don't know what "sign in" they want? I have a YouTube account and still they won't accept it. So I search YouTube - it's easier. LOL
mtngirl47
(1,121 posts)Linda ladeewolf
(614 posts)I never sign in on my computer to you tube, I am subscribed to many channels but never comment from my computer. I sign in on my iPad and make my comments there. I dont watch the videos on my iPad though, I hate commercials. One or three for every 5 minutes of video, worse than television.
thatdemguy
(566 posts)They have connected you sign in on the ipad to the computer. They mine the cookies and see that you use the same sites, they see your ip address from your cable company, they see the mac address of the router.
They know its you on every device you own and use, even if you never sign in.
Linda ladeewolf
(614 posts)I still avoid the stupid commercials!
thatdemguy
(566 posts)Glad I did not.
yellow dahlia
(1,087 posts)I was watching on CSpan and they cut away.
EarthAbides
(164 posts)The orange magat chose this exact time to lie from the oval office. The tariffs are a distraction from Musk's extortion.
Keepthesoulalive
(986 posts)Why do you expect the Pravda media to tell the truth?
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)I am longtime critic of the corporate media and have a decades long history of going after them right here on DU. Your scolding is weird and inappropriate. I will continue to call them out, thank you very much, and you continue to do you.
Keepthesoulalive
(986 posts)This was not personal. I will always question why we continue to believe in legacy media , when they had their whole body on the scale. They dont answer to us and they never will.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)You directed your question to me personally. If you had worded it the same way as your second message I wouldn't have objected. The fact remains I don't expect that and never said I did.
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Think. Again.
(21,282 posts)It's up to Americans to communicate with each other about the well-being of our Nation.
Share the info you want people to know about.
erronis
(17,644 posts)I can't think of any well-known media outlets that don't have biases.
If their biases are that they can be bought by advertisers - let it be known.
Other biases are caused by:
- rich owners (witness NYT, WaPo, LATimes, .......)
- hidden agendas (witness RT, Washington Times and Korean religious nut.)
- founder personalities (too many of these in the more progressive media)
-
Think. Again.
(21,282 posts)Mountain Mule
(1,077 posts)I still trust PBS
JohnSJ
(97,279 posts)purveyors of information, but an outlet for republican propaganda.
JustAnotherGen
(34,268 posts)I'm not consuming media the way I used to. They are propagandists for Trump.
Congress is going to have to do something radical to get on screens. And do it over, and over, and over again.
I'm old enough to remember wall to wall coverage of the Tea Party idiots.
mzmolly
(51,860 posts)tonight.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)will do it justice. But this is breaking news. There is no reason for the daytime "news" programs to ignore it or barely mention it.
SheltieLover
(61,876 posts)
littlemissmartypants
(26,510 posts)I've seen a Maddow segment is here. Maybe twice.
We no longer have a free press. It's every consumer for themselves so to speak.
No wonder we're an ill-informed, disjointed, idiotic mess of a populace.
mzmolly
(51,860 posts)No wonder people think Dems are MIA.
UTUSN
(73,201 posts)blathering on, with reporters being SO deferential and SO interested like he's a font of policy content.
I stopped all cable punditry some time back, specifically MSNBC in 2012 when they were slamming OBAMA or something, then cut the cable, now use practically only YouTube on Roku and TuneIn radio.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)This is not journalism.
calimary
(85,100 posts)HighFired49
(397 posts)Blocked from entering
yorkster
(2,668 posts)coverage of all the Dem. speakers in front of USAID building. His title is self-explanatory.
Watch it all. Great speakers, major Dem. senators and congresspeople. Raskin McGovern, Murphy. Omar and more.They went inside the bldng. and after that no coverage except of Marco Rubio.
I checked MSNBC and CNN and nothing except Trump in the OvL Office. Couldn't believe it.
If Nicolle Wallace complains about Dem.
Inaction with no mention of this...aaargh.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)coverage today on Jansing and Tur's show. I haven't watched them in months now, so it was shocking how bad it was.
yorkster
(2,668 posts)NEOH
(121 posts)No surprise at all At this time, we simply cannot count on Corporate Media for any help whatsoever. End of story.
malaise
(280,511 posts)This should be covered live
Rec
Hassler
(3,982 posts)Never was. At least not since Walter Chronkite. Fortunately, there are unlimited other options to get the story out. And they are using them.
DBoon
(23,408 posts)Other popular social media?
If so let us know where so we can make an organized effort to upvote it.
LuvLoogie
(7,724 posts)"I don't know. Didn't you call them?"
"Who me? I thought you were going to call them?"
"Well call them now!"
The Press: "You should have called us."
Dems: "Where were you?"
The Press; "I'm sorry. Did you say something?"
JustAnotherGen
(34,268 posts)on C-Span.
House and Senate Dems need YouTube Channels with a way to alert/email us when new content is available or live.
LeftInTX
(32,076 posts)(Well it is for me)
They should really take advantage of YouTube!
The DNC uses it. The caucuses should also use it.
kacekwl
(7,838 posts)Break in with special coverage. This nothing. WTF
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)They keep making it obvious, don't they?
2naSalit
(94,971 posts)Nicolle comes on before anyone will cover any of this. After her show starts is when I expect to really see reporting on it. Don;t expect anything but gloating from those on air before that.
Mblaze
(468 posts)When people complain that Dems don't speak out enough. They often do but billionaire media owners insure that the coverage is not there. We are in the grasping hands of oligarchs.
quakerboy
(14,270 posts)CNN is just an out and declared wolf.
I am not much for tv news. Even at its best, it's only useful for pointing out a topic you then have to go dig up useful and in depth info on.
But I watched a few shows before the election. Msnbc was harping on interest rates every single time I turned them on. Till election day. Then that suddenly went away.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)But that seems to have gone away too.
quakerboy
(14,270 posts)They talked about trump being a threat to democracy, but towed the corporate line and undercut that every other breath.
littlemissmartypants
(26,510 posts)Should have their own video team. It only takes a camera person!
Or gopro cameras attached to their fucking foreheads every where they go.
Dammit people! How stupid are we?
It's the twenty first century for gawds sake!!
ancianita
(39,484 posts)senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)that Rachel will cover it. It's the Katy Turs and Kris Jansings that won't.
ancianita
(39,484 posts)ananda
(31,192 posts)They are compromised for Trump,
along with many other outlets and
corporations.
Remember: the only friends we have are us,
and maybe a few bold Dems in office.
I've said this for years, only people power will
change anything for the better!
HighFired49
(397 posts)Bengus81
(7,813 posts)out of a Government building when they have zero authority? Doge is nothing but a stupid ass name. There just a bunch of idiots led by a bigger rich idiots. They should can the damn cops and demand to be let back in.
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Seinan Sensei
(819 posts)I went to Snopes.com to make sure the info I was getting was valid.
Guess what?
Not a thing.
Not even crickets.
electric_blue68
(19,798 posts)jalan48
(14,648 posts)Control the media
The final ingredient of Orbáns autocracy is control and manipulation of the news media.
One of the first things Orbán did after coming to power in 2010 was smother the voices of critics.
A new media law ordered outlets to register with a media control body, whose members were appointed by parliament. The panel can impose fines of up to 1 million for imbalanced news coverageEarlier this year, the editor of one of Hungarys few remaining independent news websites, Index, was fired after an Orbán ally acquired a 50-percent stake in the company. (2020)
https://atlanticsentinel.com/2020/10/viktor-orbans-authoritarian-playbook/
Orban has met privately with both Trump and other Republicans.
"During a speech this summer in front of thousands of supporters, Hungary's far-right prime minister, Viktor Orbán, detailed the close connections he has nurtured with former President Donald Trump.
"We have entered the policy-writing system of President Donald Trump's team," Orbán said. "We have deep involvement there."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/viktor-orban-mission-to-elect-trump/
Meowmee
(6,868 posts)I do not have the sound on and will be switching soon.
4catsmom
(448 posts)I double many voters knew who was running against him
Emile
(32,146 posts)Hekate
(95,984 posts)Did you still feel there was no coverage and no honesty to be had?
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)I was referring to the situation at the time and the coverage by Tur and Jansing. Many hours later, Lawrence absolutely killed it and I saw a little of Maddow. My post accurately reflected what I saw at the time and I stand by it. Appalling both journalistically and morally.
Hekate
(95,984 posts)Theres a coterie here who hates Katy Tur, but I just watched her fact-check trumps so-called press conference. Shes not on my watch-list because theres only so many hours in the day but even with the sound off, there she was using lines like trump baselessly claimed USAID is run by lunatics
Welp, heading back to the kitchen where the tv machine is playing Nicolle Wallace who gasp horror was raised as a Republican but saw the light and is about the best conductor of a panel of intelligent professionals Ive ever seen.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 4, 2025, 06:01 PM - Edit history (2)
CNN, and yes, the corporate media. It seems to have made you angry, but I don't retract a word of it. I will state again that my OP was specifically of what was being aired at the time, as the Dems were protesting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wrote, but you are free to think otherwise.
live love laugh
(14,876 posts)Its more than corporate.
gab13by13
(26,237 posts)They should have brought Musk along with them, he would have gotten them inside.
GoreWon2000
(1,188 posts)Dems at USAID as well as Elon Musk gaining illegal access to everyone's financial information at the Treasury dept. Even NBC "Nightly News' had a pretty solid piece about it as well.
senseandsensibility
(20,760 posts)It was posted during the day as the Dems were protesting in real time. The MSNBC daytime "news" barely covered it (and that's being generous) while they let trump drone on unchecked for hours. Many hours after I posted this, the primetime shows covered it. My post reflected the situation at the time and there is no excuse for the coverage I saw.
Evolve Dammit
(19,769 posts)TBF
(34,986 posts)wryter2000
(47,671 posts)You would think they're in a perpetual tea party with the Republicans if you read DU.
Jit423
(822 posts)weapons to Israel to kill the born people there. Isn't birth control cheaper than supporting genocide?
Bluethroughu
(6,710 posts)JohnSJ
(97,279 posts)the USAID building surrounded by a crowd of people exposing the dangerous situation going on.
The MSM is carrying the water for trump and the rethugs. They have been doing this for some time now, but this time they can't even bluff or pretend that they are objective.
Oopsie Daisy
(5,156 posts)* and scared and cowardly and incompetent and complicit. Not because it's TRUE... but because those who complain so loudly and so viciously... are clueless as to what's really going on... because they rely on legacy media for their information. Their "reality" is based solely on what the "networks" and "cable news" shares with them.
How sad. Sad for them. Sad for us all.