Do you think that everyone who voted for Trump is a MAGA adherent?

[LAS14]

In another thread I asked a question that assumed that there are a variety of positions among Trump voters. I was surprised (although not TOTALLY surprised) at how many of the respondents assumed that all Trump voters are MAGA supporters. What do you think?

[AStern]

1. No. I think some people that voted for him are Nihilists that LIKE that he hurts people and hope he destroys the country

for funsies.

[dclarston13]

2. Maybe not so much MAGA supporters

As folks that are brainwashed by the various media echo chambers they listen to, and one other thing that unfortunately I believe to be the root of the problem. I think there a pervasive lack of respect for women within the American people and that did not work in Kamala's favor. Add that to the party going too far left and I think you have your answer.

[travelingthrulife]

32. 'too far left'

I would like to live long enough to see that happen.

[Ocelot II]

3. No, some are just dumb and/or uninformed.

A lot of people pay no attention to politics, don't think it's important, and will vote for whoever their friends/family/community votes for without knowing a damn thing about a candidate or their positions on anything, or caring to know. If you live in Dumbfuckistan and everybody in your town is voting for Trump and you've been told that he'll bring down the price of eggs and deport all the criminals, you don't need to know more than that. You probably don't care enough to go to a Trump rally, you don't have or want a MAGA hat; you just want cheaper eggs, and you're never exposed to anything negative about him. You just go along with everybody else.

[Hugin]

5. They project what they think MAGA is on MAGA...

Which they like. Of course, little of it is true. But, Trump and the GOP say little to dispel those illusions. Instead presenting a shotgun of messages that touch on many of those illusions. Just don’t look at what they are actually doing.

So, yeah. Ill informed.

[yardwork]

13. This is going to sound harsh.

The fact is, anybody who votes on that basis - and I know many who do - don't deserve to live in a democracy.

Sustaining a democracy requires effort from citizens. It requires the recognition that being informed is a sacred obligation. It requires the discipline to do the work of becoming informed, and voting accordingly.

Too many Americans got too soft and complacent. Too many of our fellow citizens stopped thinking of themselves as citizens, and started thinking of themselves as privileged consumers who deserve whatever they can get.

Too many Americans chose to listen to hate radio, Fox News, and shady websites because they heard what their lizard brains craved: "All your problems are the fault of liberals and "those other" people. (Dog whistle, wink, smirk.) You deserve to be rich. You don't have to work hard. Trump will make you rich by taking your money away from "those people." Oh, and they're all criminals, too."

Let's not pretend that middle class white Americans (who voted for Trump overwhelmingly) don't know how to access accurate information. They know how to use the internet. They could have read Jack Smith's indictments (published online, free to all). They chose not to.

All those wealthy business owners, the CEOs of big companies, all the tax accountants and financial analysts, the billionaire owners of our "News" media all chose to pretend everything was fine.

I don't know if our democracy can recover. It might be gone. Too many people abandoned it.

A democracy takes hard work.

[Ocelot II]

19. I agree 100%. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who just go about their business

without thinking about what they should know before they vote for anybody or anything - or whether they should vote at all. I have met some of them. I recall talking to a well-educated, presumably intelligent woman a few years ago about a controversial issue that had been headline news for days and she had absolutely no knowledge of it. Some people don't read newspapers or watch the news on TV or follow it at all in any way. They just don't understand how they are affected by what happens elsewhere in the country or the world and make no effort to find out. Politics is boring and technical so they tune it all out. Maybe it really will take some very bad shit happening to make people wake up.

[biocube]

4. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada all

elected Democratic women to the senate and all went for Trump.

I blame our media ecosystem as well as Dems running a soft corporate centrist campaign in an era when minimum wage hike referendums win even in red states.

[valleyrogue]

20. Which is automatically suspect. THIS is why I don't believe he won any of those states. n/t

[Initech]

24. I know, something doesn't pass the smell test there.

[Jose Garcia]

33. Yes, the stole the Presidency but forgot to rig the Senate races

[travelingthrulife]

34. I agree. Too many odd voter demographics. People who had zero reason to vote for Trump.

Best way to cheat though, just a little bit here and there. Make it look like he had a mandate.

We need to detain and ask those youngsters working for Elon what they know about this.

[crud]

6. If Fox is your source for news

This fascist shit show seems pretty normal. Sadly, propaganda works on good people too. That's why they do it.

[Oopsie Daisy]

7. Yes. By default, they are MAGA.

[Trust_Reality]

8. The ones that trouble me are those who "liked his policies" but really do not like him.

The best way to predict what an elected leader will do is to evaluate his integrity, decency, humanity, judgment, honesty, quality of his/her character as seen in his/her history.

The worst way to predict what an elected leader will do is listen to what that person promises right before the vote. Senate hearings, for example, or totally dysfunctional and defective.

[haele]

22. MAGA was a marketing slogan that started with *rump.

However, my opinion, the term has also been adopted by:
Talibornagain Christianists who want a Gilead,
globalist William Buckley/Henry Kissenger types - "USA can do no Wrong" Anti-Communists,
wanna be Guilded Age Robber Barons who think Taxpayer Money belongs to them,
Know-Nothing Nativists and Isolationists, and of course,
a significant number of petulant racists and/or misogynists who are butt hurt because they didn't get a job or placement that went to a POC or woman because they didn't realize that there are Nepo-Babies and "Handshake Buddies" who used their networks access to take the plum positions before anyone else can get a chance to apply, significantly reducing the amount of good slots available to Mr. or Ms. Butthurt.

[LakeArenal]

9. No. I still have anti trump republicans in my life.

Not even sure if they voted for him.

Politics conversation is very limited.

[yardwork]

10. No, but it wasn't a dealbreaker for them.

Every single person who voted for Trump chose a person who lies constantly, who regularly says and tweets hateful, bigoted things against almost everybody, and who promised to be a dictator.

They voted for a person who mocked people with disabilities, servicemen wounded or taken prisoner during war, immigrants, and just about everybody else.

They voted for a person who promised to turn Gaza to dust.

They voted for a person who sent thousands of rioters into our Capitol to overturn a democratic election, called them patriots, and promised to pardon them.

They voted for a former president who stole hundreds of thousands of top secret documents, stored them in cardboard boxes all over a resort hotel, and refused to return them,

They voted for a convicted felon who was found liable for sexual assault.

I could go on and on. None of this was a dealbreaker to every person who voted for Trump in 2024.

Whether they call themselves MAGA is irrelevant. They voted for a dictatorship.

[ibegurpard]

11. Yes

I excuse traditional Republicans who are horrified at where the Republican Party has gone and no longer support them. But still voting for them today? You're one of them. 1 Nazi and 9 others sitting down together to break bread is 10 Nazis.

[gab13by13]

12. I believe that many voted for him because of abortion.

[travelingthrulife]

36. You mean to take women's rights away, right. Few of them actually care about abortion.

[ITAL]

46. Some are

On the other hand some of the most militant anti-abortion people I've known were women. I really do think there's a large segment of people who legit have that as their #1 issue. They're all but unreachable since they'll always pivot to that as their reason for supporting even the worst Republican.

[ismnotwasm]

14. No.

But every last one of them is liable for what is happening and what’s going to happen. Every last one is a dysfunctional asshole.

[JI7]

15. No, many are fools that still think he was a successful businessman

and he will make them wealthy.

And they might not admit this but I think many that voted for him are ok with him grifting because they think they will benefit also.

I would say most that supported him did so becsuse they liked the idea of him hurting certain people becsuse they think they will benefit as a result of it.

[tulipsandroses]

16. trump supporters are either bigots, immoral or stupid or some combination of the three

Although, anecdotal - All the videos and legitimate posts on social media that I've seen of trump voters expressing regret, or alarmed at the damage trump is currently doing, confirms what I already thought about these folks.

I posted a video last night of one regret voter who stated that she voted for trump because of the " economy", now she is upset that trump froze funding that affects her kids' medicaid, groceries are getting more expensive, bird flu is affecting the cost of eggs and trump is blocking information that we need to stay updated about diseases. Now she sees the light.
She is obviously, someone that is paying attention to what trump is doing now. Was she not paying attention to everything he was saying prior to the election? Was she not paying attention to his actions during the pandemic"
What did trump promise that she felt that she needed to cast a vote for him? What plan did he have that addressed her concerns?
Other than selling fear and hatred. The " other" people are causing your economic pain. She bought that, either because she is stupid, a bigot or immoral.

I often wonder how these people go about living their daily lives. How do they make decisions?
If you looked at everything trump did, from Covid, the insurrection, his felonies and still decided to vote for him, If you thought cheaper eggs was worth putting him back in the WH despite all that, you have no moral compass.
So no you don't get a pass.
I saw another regret video - guy said he was not going to vote, family and friends convinced him to, now he regrets it. He said he voted for trump because of his "beliefs". He did not say what those beliefs were.
Another video of the Latina trump voter crying about her undocumented relatives being targets for deportation -
Another post from a guy cursing trump, saying he is destroying crypto because he is losing money in crypto. All his previous posts were of him being a super fan of trump.
Another post from the guy that was begging for trump to fix "the mistake" of his wife not being able to start her new nursing job at the VA when he rescinded new hiring. He was happy when it was happening to other folks, but it is "a mistake" when it happens to his wife"

Another post from a guy complaining that his employer has govt contracts, and now his hours have been reduced since trump took office - I am guessing the owner of the company he works for is " DEI". Who do these people think " these DEI villains" are? Couldn't be the construction company or the catering company you work for right?

My new favorite past time is watching videos and reading posts of these regret voters. I think most of them would still vote for trump if he " got it right"
and made sure they were not hurt in the mayhem of him hurting other people.

[milestogo]

17. No, some of them are just too stupid to understand what he is doing.

[valleyrogue]

18. They are politically stupid.

They can give all the reasons--EXCUSES--for voting for him, but in the end they are politically stupid.

[alarimer]

21. By definition

The are pieces of shit (including my own father).

[Ping Tung]

23. "Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[jgmiller]

25. All politics are local

We usually use that to refer to house races but I think it easily can impact presidential elections too. Most people don't really understand broader implications of things beyond their life. We are in an echo chamber of people who look at the broad impacts of presidential elections so a lot of people who voted for him were very much voting because the price of eggs were high or any other number of individual factors. These people don't really understand or care about MAGA. These are the people that we need to get back to voting for dems.

[Lemons UK]

26. Not necessarily, but they all share a hatred of something.

Color
Gender
Skin
Place of residence
Ethnicity
Non-“Christian” religions

..you could go on forever.

[LAS14]

28. High prices? nt

[obamanut2012]

27. INFO: If you vote for a Nazi, are you also a Nazi?

[DeepWinter]

29. No

I know quite a few Republicans via family, friends, coworkers, neighboors and they didn't necessarily vote for Trump. Some of them very specifically did not vote for Trump. They voted for cutting a bloated government, hopefully lower taxes, less regulation, cutting foreign funding and redirecting that money back to us, meritocracy and not DEI, pro-family (and on and on and on)

The messaging has somehow become the Democrats are about what you're not allowed to do and the Republicans are about what you should be allowed to do. Party leadership needs to address this somehow.

[travelingthrulife]

39. So they are not for trump but they are swallowing the same old tired lies about bloated government

when most departments have very low overhead and are run on a shoestring compared to similar private business.
Same old lies about reducing taxes for non-wealthy people.
Same old lies about de-regulation making things better
Same old, very obvious lies about meritocracy

So...stupid people.

[tulipsandroses]

44. Yes many -black male trump supporters are Nazi adjacent bigots. I know 2 personally.

They spout the same bigoted rhetoric. Anti immigrant, Misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, whiny man baby, I can't be great because of women bullshit.
Just check out some of the popular black male Joe Roganesque types on Youtube. .
These same men will trash the BLM movement because it was founded by queer women. They repeat the nonsense of immigrants taking "our jobs".
Many of them pushed the nonsense of " Kamala is not black". When she ran for president in 2020 - they are the same ones that were spreading "Kamala's a cop".

Those guys are not voting for democrats. . The've found a cheerleader, just like the other MAGATS.

[Arazi]

31. Every R that I personally know is a MAGAt

As for other Republicans, I’ve stopped talking about politics entirely in public. Even casual conversations are over.

#FeelingParanoid

[C_U_L8R]

35. However Trump voters fancy themselves

They are responsible and ought to be held accountable.

[D. Spaulding]

37. No, definitely not

Even though if you talk to many MAGA sycophants, they think he won because many became MAGA converts. There were some moderates and independents that made the decision to go with him for whatever reason. A lot of people I know agonized about it, and reluctantly pulled the lever for him, even though the know he's a jerk.
The good thing about that, is I believe many of those folks will quickly get buyer's remorse.

[thebigidea]

38. I don't think MAGA and the GOP are distinct entities

it's all the same rotten bullshit. The number of Republicans who fought against it you can count on what, one or two hands?

No, the GOP doesn't get to pretend they weren't in on this bullshit from day one. The GOP was always authoritarian, they always loved following the leader. They've just devolved to the ultimate distillation of their ethos: Donald Trump.

[Jeebo]

40. I'm sure a lot of them just won't vote for a Democrat.

Which leaves a Republican, whoever that Republican is. I don't talk politics with my younger brother and sister-in-law in Florida, because I fear our relationship would deteriorate if I did, but my 40-year-old niece, my brother's daughter, told me that they voted for that orange con man but very much preferred Nikki Haley. I think they're single-issue voters because of the abortion thing and they also go to a right-wing church down there that preaches that Democrats are evil. So, as I said, they'll vote for whoever isn't a Democrat.

— Ron

[qazplm135]

41. Yes but MAGA is a continuum

If you voted for Trump, you bought into the idea that he's going to do things to make America better.

That's MAGA.

Now is it extreme Trump is sent by God savior never wrong super handsome and awesome MAGA? No.

But it's I wasn't turned off by him and I think he will overall be good for the country MAGA.

The former group will probably eventually be unhappy by 26 or 28 but I doubt so far they are all that upset yet

[Jacson6]

42. No, All they expect is a tax cut.

That is all my wealthy family members want.

[mike_c]

43. does it make a rat's buttocks of difference?

Frankly, I don't give a shit about the motives of trump voters. The net effect is the same, regardless.

[Amishman]

45. No, I have a lot of Republicans in my extended family

Only a handful are what I'd call MAGA / Trump enthusiasts.

Most voted for them out of some combination of being pro-gun, anti EPA, anti trans, anti immigrant, anti multiculturalism, and/or anti federalist.

[Hitorque]

47. I'm certain there's some politically casual people

Who like Donnie because they find him funny or entertaining or "unfiltered", or they support him for the sole purpose of trolling the Dems, but that's a very small number I think...

Regardless, do I give a flying fuck about their reasons?! They are all the enemy and should be treated as such...