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LiberalLoner

(10,790 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:27 AM Feb 8

My husband said DOGE is monitoring fed emails and looking for signs of disloyalty to Trump, in the emails. He is a fed.

Feels like we are now East Germany under Soviet rule.

They are monitoring emails of fed workers sent out, and sent to them, for certain keywords.

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My husband said DOGE is monitoring fed emails and looking for signs of disloyalty to Trump, in the emails. He is a fed. (Original Post) LiberalLoner Feb 8 OP
My wife keeps telling me to take this shit more seriously than I am. I'm thinking she may be right. walkingman Feb 8 #1
seriously? you needed your wife to tell you to take it seriously? NoRethugFriends Feb 8 #2
I am not fearful (that is her issue). She is at the point where she thinks they could actually come for us walkingman Feb 8 #19
I'm with your wife with those same fears kkmarie Feb 8 #33
In Texas it is public record which party you register. I can see my neighbors and they are all Rethugs walkingman Feb 8 #43
They took over the CIA and now have the NSA Utah Data Center. Every phone call, email, tweet goes through there Hotler Feb 8 #3
Not ALL emails. That would be impossible. MineralMan Feb 8 #4
It's easy to use AI to sift through all emails to find certain keywords. Almost no effort at all. Flagged emails then LiberalLoner Feb 8 #8
Yes, this is the perfect application for AI. Shermann Feb 8 #10
Not ALL emails. Not a chance. MineralMan Feb 8 #21
.gov mails RoseTrellis Feb 8 #27
Yes qazplm135 Feb 8 #29
The OP did not mention that until I replied as above. MineralMan Feb 8 #39
Naivete NoRethugFriends Feb 8 #36
Do you know what the keywords are? or likely to be? ancianita Feb 8 #31
Does one think DU is also being monitored? FarPoint Feb 8 #5
Probably, but DU admins have long made sure that there is a line that can't be crossed in what is posted... hlthe2b Feb 8 #6
Yea, DU does have good safeguard rules.... FarPoint Feb 8 #25
I wouldn't post anything here that I wouldn't put on a sign in my front yard HereForTheParty Feb 8 #28
What would be the point? Of COURSE we're anti-Trump!!!! nt LAS14 Feb 8 #34
What can it do except look for keywords? milestogo Feb 8 #7
The federal workers who send or receive certain key words in emails will be fired. LiberalLoner Feb 8 #9
Oh I was thinking personal emails. milestogo Feb 8 #11
But now, even me sending an email to my husband saying, for example, that I donated to a Democratic politician, LiberalLoner Feb 8 #12
I was talking with a female manager about someone at work and I said milestogo Feb 8 #16
There's a published list of words/phrases that are banned from federal use. sinkingfeeling Feb 8 #13
Don't say "women". milestogo Feb 8 #15
Wow. Thanks. "Equality" is one of them. ancianita Feb 8 #41
Yes, that's a lot of people... FoggyLake Feb 8 #30
Great now all we need is a language we can "Code talk" in. Prairie_Seagull Feb 8 #14
They already removed the spoon emoji. Is there a red swingline stapler emoji? LiberalLoner Feb 8 #17
Use Pig Latin JanMichael Feb 8 #18
The American Stasi peggysue2 Feb 8 #20
This is how it is done in China. Irish_Dem Feb 8 #22
This type of technology exists Renew Deal Feb 8 #23
Yup. Our .gov, .mil, and .edu emails are always monitored. haele Feb 8 #24
Emails rso Feb 8 #26
My work computer has a logon notice about being monitored EdmondDantes_ Feb 8 #40
I'm also a Fed COL Mustard Feb 8 #32
I suspected they would do things like this Meowmee Feb 8 #35
While I Disapprove Of DOGE... ProfessorGAC Feb 8 #37
We are, basically. Oneironaut Feb 8 #38
If feds are using company computers for personal emails jeffreyi Feb 8 #42
That must be terrifying for your husband, and very stressful for both of you. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that. Scrivener7 Feb 8 #44
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walkingman

(8,960 posts)
1. My wife keeps telling me to take this shit more seriously than I am. I'm thinking she may be right.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:31 AM
Feb 8

walkingman

(8,960 posts)
19. I am not fearful (that is her issue). She is at the point where she thinks they could actually come for us
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:20 PM
Feb 8

as liberal in a very conservative part of Texas (Hill Country). She is even afraid they will take our money.

So no, I am not that worried personally - I do worry about the future of our country but I cannot change the way the majority of people think. I used to think education was the answer but I am beginning to think that technology and religion are the major players and not sure if you can stop those factors.

kkmarie

(84 posts)
33. I'm with your wife with those same fears
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:36 PM
Feb 8

I'm very afraid they will use our direct deposit info to drain money out of our bank accounts. I'm also concerned that my voting record will show I vote for democrats. I am grateful that my state no longer requires you to declare on voting records what party you support.

walkingman

(8,960 posts)
43. In Texas it is public record which party you register. I can see my neighbors and they are all Rethugs
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 04:32 PM
Feb 8

except one in my area. It is sad. Ironically when I was first transferred to Austin and bought acreage in the Hill Country all of my neighbors (WWII generation) were all Dems. Most of them are gone now and their offspring are almost all right-wingers.

Hotler

(12,868 posts)
3. They took over the CIA and now have the NSA Utah Data Center. Every phone call, email, tweet goes through there
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:36 AM
Feb 8

before arriving at its destination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center


MineralMan

(148,692 posts)
4. Not ALL emails. That would be impossible.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:37 AM
Feb 8

Maybe some work emails at some agency or department, but not ALL emails.

LiberalLoner

(10,790 posts)
8. It's easy to use AI to sift through all emails to find certain keywords. Almost no effort at all. Flagged emails then
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:50 AM
Feb 8

Get sent to doge team to fire said employees.

Shermann

(8,879 posts)
10. Yes, this is the perfect application for AI.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:55 AM
Feb 8

Flagged emails would get forwarded to a human for further review.

Employment contracts often include non-disparagement clauses which can conceivably be extended to cover POTUS. Let's see Musk put it in writing.

MineralMan

(148,692 posts)
21. Not ALL emails. Not a chance.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:29 PM
Feb 8

Where are your emails stored? Old ones. New ones. Where are they? Mine are on a Yahoo server. Along with countless billions of others.

Now, it might be easy for an AI algorithm to look at all emails on one server. Very easy, in fact. But there are countless servers storing archives of old emails. To get at them, you have to have some sort of read permission on a particular server. How many emails do you suppose are created and sent every day? Every hour, even?

Going through all of those emails, looking for keywords is not an instant process. It's not an easy process. Emails on many servers are encrypted, as well, to prevent access to the clear text.

You are simply incorrect. Finally, nobody cares about most emails in any way. Only a targeted search will yiled any kind of useful results.

RoseTrellis

(2 posts)
27. .gov mails
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:05 PM
Feb 8

I think the OP is saying the official emails are being searched by AI on the exchange server. This is the system that the various .mil, .gov, etc uses. Obviously not a private email server. Pretty sure in the fine print when you get hired is a consent for monitoring on the official system.

qazplm135

(7,634 posts)
29. Yes
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:34 PM
Feb 8

All federal gov emails can theoretically be monitored and you need to consent to that upfront.

Now the volume is crazy high but yeah if you are looking for keywords it's possible

MineralMan

(148,692 posts)
39. The OP did not mention that until I replied as above.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:39 PM
Feb 8

Nothing about government emails when I replied.

FarPoint

(13,877 posts)
5. Does one think DU is also being monitored?
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:38 AM
Feb 8

I sense it may...because posts we make can appear on Google....

If true ..what should we do ?

hlthe2b

(108,561 posts)
6. Probably, but DU admins have long made sure that there is a line that can't be crossed in what is posted...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:49 AM
Feb 8

I don't think most DUers WOULD cross that line, but the (probable trolls) that DO are quickly dealt with/deleted.

So, while this is a community of opposition, it would be damned hard to make a case that that poses an actual violent threat.

So, I think they would have to go after other targets... At least I hope so.

FarPoint

(13,877 posts)
25. Yea, DU does have good safeguard rules....
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:51 PM
Feb 8

I just know we all need to be on the alert, guard to protect ourselves... I never anticipated such a coup de tah...

milestogo

(19,907 posts)
7. What can it do except look for keywords?
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:50 AM
Feb 8

I get tons of email from organizations which would be considered disloyal: the Democratic party and Democratic elected officials. I'm sure at least a third of the country is complaining to their elected officials about what is going on. What are they going to do with millions of people who are "disloyal"? There are too many of us for them to bother with.

LiberalLoner

(10,790 posts)
9. The federal workers who send or receive certain key words in emails will be fired.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:51 AM
Feb 8

My husband is a fed, I should have made that clear from the start. I will edit the post.

milestogo

(19,907 posts)
11. Oh I was thinking personal emails.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:55 AM
Feb 8

But in my job I am always careful with emails and chats. I never assume anything is private. I'm in IT and I've seen people fired over emails and chats that were inappropriate.

LiberalLoner

(10,790 posts)
12. But now, even me sending an email to my husband saying, for example, that I donated to a Democratic politician,
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:57 AM
Feb 8

Will get my husband fired.

milestogo

(19,907 posts)
16. I was talking with a female manager about someone at work and I said
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:09 PM
Feb 8

that guy is as smart as Pete Buttigieg. It just flew out of my mouth because he is the smartest person I could think of. She didn't react, but I guess I gave my politics away.

ancianita

(40,079 posts)
41. Wow. Thanks. "Equality" is one of them.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:42 PM
Feb 8


historically,
indigenous community,
inequalities
inequality
inequitable
inequities
minorities
minority
political
prejudice
privileges
race and ethnicity
racial
racial diversity
racial inequality
racial justice
racially
racism
sense of belonging
sexual preferences
social justice
status
stereotypes
systemic
trauma
underrepresented
underserved
undervalued
victim
women

Unbelievable.

FoggyLake

(209 posts)
30. Yes, that's a lot of people...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:19 PM
Feb 8

But what they do is single out individuals to make examples of. It might be you, or it might not. Just saying.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,004 posts)
14. Great now all we need is a language we can "Code talk" in.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:01 PM
Feb 8

Kidding of course.

One thing we can be pretty sure of is we won't know of it.

peggysue2

(11,697 posts)
20. The American Stasi
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:23 PM
Feb 8

To put a point on it, our new overlords are encouraging citizens to rat out their neighbors and friends for signs of disloyalty (sympathy for immigrants, for instance) to the New America.

This is as predictable as it is vile.

Irish_Dem

(66,054 posts)
22. This is how it is done in China.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:29 PM
Feb 8

Emails are monitored.
There are community leaders who keep track of what you do and say.
Friends, neighbors, co-workers, family report you so they can get better jobs and apartments.

Renew Deal

(83,653 posts)
23. This type of technology exists
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:32 PM
Feb 8

It’s called sentiment analysis, and the federal governments email provider offers it. (Microsoft)

haele

(14,039 posts)
24. Yup. Our .gov, .mil, and .edu emails are always monitored.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 12:38 PM
Feb 8

Now that he has his pet server hooked up to HR OPM and we've been forced to accept the "ping", DOGE has our emails.
The issue I can coming up see is clueless or malicious MAGA sending provoking or harassing messages through a government email to Federal Employees known as members of an "minority" group or liberals to trigger either a DEI or loyalty purge against them.

"Terry X at the Department of Z made decided against me or my company getting that contract? I'll show that lazy punk!"

Or
"That Welfare Queen down the street who's lowering my property value with her crappy yard and kids toys in the driveway has a job at the local Social Security building? Obviously unqualified and ripping off us hardworking Taxpayers - she needs to go now!"


So Terry X gets an email at their ,gov email accusing them of being biased against Mr. Mediocre White Man-Baby, who knows And is flagged for "review".

rso

(2,550 posts)
26. Emails
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 01:02 PM
Feb 8

When I was a fed, when we signed up for access to a .gov computer, there was a clear line stating that communications are not private and subject to monitoring, so that part has been in place for decades.

EdmondDantes_

(329 posts)
40. My work computer has a logon notice about being monitored
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:40 PM
Feb 8

I don't work for the government, but I do sometimes have access to personal information of the public and so I take my work computer security seriously. I don't do anything non-work related on it other than very light news surfing and even that I mostly use my phone, not on their network for. There's just no need to do anything on my work computer that isn't work related. No sense putting myself, the company or the people who's information I have access to at that risk.

COL Mustard

(7,272 posts)
32. I'm also a Fed
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:24 PM
Feb 8

And careful about what I put in email on my Gov't devices, and especially on Gov't time/property. But I certainly don't control what someone sends me.

Remember, there's no right to privacy in the workplace, especially in the Federal workplace. Your hubs should be very careful with his emails.

ProfessorGAC

(71,937 posts)
37. While I Disapprove Of DOGE...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:30 PM
Feb 8

...and of the loyalty tests in evidence here, I don't think it's completely put of bounds for a workplace to demand no political opinion in company owned media.
These folks, even though I probably agree with them 100%, shouldn't be sending emails with political criticisms by internal systems.
Simply following regular business protocol makes this shopping disappear because there's nothing to snoop.

Oneironaut

(5,915 posts)
38. We are, basically.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:33 PM
Feb 8

The US is a Fascist dictatorship. Most people haven’t started to realize what has hit them yet, though.

It’ll get worse too. Soon, we will have a defacto state-controlled media, as, all other news organizations will be kept in the dark (or worse, harassed with lawfare). Kash Patel will instruct the FBI to investigate any criticism of Trump as a criminal offense. The Office of Faith will try to censor any media that don’t support extremist Christian values, and, LGBTQ+ and “DEI” themes will be banned. Also. The CIA will be purged of loyalists and turned into an American Gestapo that reports to Trump and Trump only.

Many of these have already started, in fact, or, are openly supported by those in the Trump Administration.

Also - PS - An executive order Trump put out about the death penalty is purposely ambiguous as to allow mass executions of illegal immigrants, just because they’re illegal immigrants. We’re already there.

jeffreyi

(2,317 posts)
42. If feds are using company computers for personal emails
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 04:05 PM
Feb 8

They are asking for trouble. The systems have been off limits for personal use since, like, forever. There are much better and more secure avenues.

Scrivener7

(54,698 posts)
44. That must be terrifying for your husband, and very stressful for both of you. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:07 PM
Feb 8

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