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Dennis Donovan

(30,524 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:35 PM Feb 10

Kyle Cheney: Breaking: Fed Judge determines Trump admin violating order lifting blanket freeze on fed grant programs

Kyle Cheney
‪@kyledcheney.bsky.social‬
BREAKING: A federal judge has determined that the Trump administration is violating his order lifting the blanket spending freeze on federal grant programs.

He is orderin gthe administration to immediately unfreeze funds, including for NIH and the IRA. storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...

February 10, 2025 at 12:31 PM


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Kyle Cheney: Breaking: Fed Judge determines Trump admin violating order lifting blanket freeze on fed grant programs (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 10 OP
Constitutional crisis only 3 weeks into his term Sanity Claws Feb 10 #1
Trump will tell the gang to ignore this new order dalton99a Feb 10 #2
Yup. sakabatou Feb 10 #6
Impeach him. mobeau69 Feb 10 #3
We don't have the votes. littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #14
He could be impeached for failure to "faithfully execute the office of President and to uphold the Constitution"... thesquanderer Feb 10 #24
We will see if the Trump complies with the Court's Order. surfered Feb 10 #4
Yep, scary to even think about. mobeau69 Feb 10 #23
"...or ELSE!" dchill Feb 10 #5
Can judges start fining drmeow Feb 10 #7
Could they just ignore that too? ananda Feb 10 #19
(Historically) banks obey court orders. mobeau69 Feb 10 #22
K&R UTUSN Feb 10 #8
Just 24 hours after I posted that Trump and Musk would defy the court's orders it has happened. flashman13 Feb 10 #9
or else... what? FoggyLake Feb 10 #10
And Trump will continue to ignore it... Quanto Magnus Feb 10 #11
if they dont comply moonshinegnomie Feb 10 #12
Unfortunately angrychair Feb 10 #13
Pardon Power FB47243 Feb 10 #15
Exactly contempt is it's own thing JCMach1 Feb 10 #17
NBC News: Judge finds Trump administration violated court order halting funding freeze Dennis Donovan Feb 10 #16
And if they don't orangecrush Feb 10 #18
Which one is this? I'm getting confused. NT mahatmakanejeeves Feb 10 #20
SEND THE MARSHALLS TO THE WHITEHOUSE spanone Feb 10 #21
Trump's DOJ isn't sending marshalls anywhere he doesn't want them to go. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 10 #26
He's going to appeal until he Tickle Feb 10 #25
Question: returnee Feb 10 #27

thesquanderer

(12,579 posts)
24. He could be impeached for failure to "faithfully execute the office of President and to uphold the Constitution"...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:26 PM
Feb 10

if it wasn't a Republican House. And even we somehow got past that, to remove, you'd need 2/3 of the (majority Republican) Senate.

But it would be nice to even hear him referred to as thrice-impeached.

surfered

(6,347 posts)
4. We will see if the Trump complies with the Court's Order.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:46 PM
Feb 10

If not, we are in uncharted and very dangerous territory.

drmeow

(5,555 posts)
7. Can judges start fining
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 02:28 PM
Feb 10

and pulling money out of Musks accounts or freezing his assets if they don't comply and Federal Marshalls don't act?

flashman13

(1,162 posts)
9. Just 24 hours after I posted that Trump and Musk would defy the court's orders it has happened.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 03:41 PM
Feb 10

This is now officially a coup by every definition of the word.

Good night and Good Luck.

Quanto Magnus

(1,111 posts)
11. And Trump will continue to ignore it...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 03:42 PM
Feb 10

And Schumer will write a sternly worded letter....

Collins will get the vapors....

Trump will crap his pants some more and the Nazi's will rejoice...

moonshinegnomie

(3,316 posts)
12. if they dont comply
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 03:47 PM
Feb 10

the judge should start sending bailiffs to haul every person vioalting the order into court. the orange fascist might be immune but i doubt that his cronies like the idea of spending time locked up. start with the treasury secretary and teh OMB head.

lock them up for civil contempt. there is no pardon ability for it. and the judge can keep them locked up until they comply

angrychair

(10,557 posts)
13. Unfortunately
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:01 PM
Feb 10

How it works is the judge would send an order to the US Marshals Service to arrest the person but since the Marshals work for DOJ, the AG can just order them to ignore the judge. If they follow that I don't know but I assume that is how that would go down.

It's a serious constitutional crisis.

FB47243

(58 posts)
15. Pardon Power
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:05 PM
Feb 10

Actually, the president can pardon someone for civil contempt charges, but there are limits.

The U.S. Constitution grants the president broad pardon powers for federal offenses (Article II, Section 2). Civil contempt can sometimes be considered a federal offense, especially if it’s linked to a federal court order. However, if the contempt charge is coercive (meant to force compliance, like refusing to testify), a pardon might not immediately free the person—courts could reframe the punishment to continue enforcing compliance.

In contrast, state-level civil contempt is outside the president’s pardon power. Governors handle pardons for state cases.

So, while there are nuances, the president does have the ability to pardon civil contempt in many cases, particularly at the federal level.

Dennis Donovan

(30,524 posts)
16. NBC News: Judge finds Trump administration violated court order halting funding freeze
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:06 PM
Feb 10
NBC News - Judge finds Trump administration violated court order halting funding freeze

U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell said the government has not restored funding in several programs despite his Jan. 31 order temporarily halting the freeze.

Feb. 10, 2025, 2:05 PM EST
By Chloe Atkins, Fallon Gallagher and Dareh Gregorian

A federal judge in Rhode Island Monday said that the Trump administration violated his order halting a sweeping federal funding freeze and ordered the government to “immediately restore frozen funding.”

U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell handed down the order after the plaintiffs in the case, a coalition of 22 states, said the government had not restored funding in several programs despite his Jan. 31 order temporarily halting the wide-ranging Office of Management and Budget directive that had caused chaos and confusion across the country.

“The States have presented evidence in this motion that the Defendants in some cases have continued to improperly freeze federal funds and refused to resume disbursement of appropriated federal funds,” McConnell wrote, even though his order lifting the freeze had been "clear and unambiguous."

Justice Department lawyers argued in a court filing that they didn't believe the order covered some of the frozen funding, and that some of the funding at issue is under review to make sure it's "appropriate.

"The Defendants now plea that they are just trying to root out fraud. But the freezes in effect now were a result of the broad categorical order, not a specific finding of possible fraud," McConnell wrote. "The broad categorical and sweeping freeze of federal funds is, as the Court found, likely unconstitutional and has caused and continues to cause irreparable harm to a vast portion of this country."

/snip

returnee

(525 posts)
27. Question:
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 06:11 PM
Feb 10

In order to stop the flow of already allocated funds, don’t they have to go through the Treasury Dept. to do it? Does this mean that Bessent or Musk et al or both are actually stopping the funds this way?

Pardon my ignorance on this.

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