What if the blue states stopped all Federal tax payments?

[superpatriotman]

How long would the government last?

[drray23]

1. States do not pay federal taxes.

Citizens living in these states do via the IRS or via deductions from their salaries, all of which goes directly to the feds.

[superpatriotman]

2. That is what I meant

Nt

[drray23]

3. Im not sure how you would avoid paying taxes

If you are salaried. You can adjust your withholdings but I doubt you can elect to not withhold anything.
Besides, how would states convince their residents to break federal law and not pay taxes ?

The whole concept does not make sense .

[JustAnotherGen]

5. We don't file

Since the SALT CAP was implemented, most of us in Blue/Home Rule states have had to pay at tax time. I'm talking families of four making $112K per year in NJ. Modest homes but property and state income taxes are collected 1. For home rule and 2. Because Fed Gov doesn't give us the hand outs red states get.

Now that was fine when we could deduct our state and local taxes - but now the average home owner in NJ pays property taxes twice:

Once for their own schools, emergency services, library, PD, and public works - and once to pay the way of individual Red State residents.

The social contract is broken.

We've filed our NJ and PA taxes - but our Red Taxes are done and not filed. I'll be damned if I'm going to write a check to Elon Musk to give it to a pimply faced incel 25 year old Doger.

[MichMan]

15. You haven't filed taxes since 2017?

Not understanding how you are paying "twice" however.

After the $10k SALT deduction, aren't you paying the Federal tax rate on the remainder? If your SALT taxes were $25k and you are able to deduct $10k, don't you have to pay the Federal tax on the remaining $15k.? If you are in the 25% tax bracket, that would be $3750.

[DeepWinter]

16. As a citizen

I'm not going to pay the consequences on not paying my taxes just for someone elses political chess. F that.

Also, I've pre-paid my taxes the entire last year through my employer. What I'm doing is getting a big chunk of my money back, to the tune of thousands of dollars.

Hard pass.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

4. If states could suspend payments it would mean military occupation,

martial law, suspension of rights and a round-up of any opposition to MAGA. Don't kid yourself.

So even if they could somehow find a way, it wouldn't be moderate and bipartisanly to do so.

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Since it's individuals

If I'm going down . . . let them arrest me for not mailing them a check. They are just going to hand it over to Musk.

ETA - without any deductions on my W4 - not able to claim our State income tax - our additional tax is ~11K this year. I don't want it spent on Heels trucks.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

10. I think that's the Sovereign Citizen Movement's shtick, yes?

I don't remember it working out too well for them, but who knows with this SCOTUS.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. No - it's not

It's NJ attitude.

[choie]

9. Hopefully the last sentence of you post

is sarcastic.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. If the middle class and higher

Did - Doge would be waiting around on money that doesn't come. Don't file. Let them take the money out of your check - but don't file. If enough of us did it - it would starve the MagaPublican government.

[MichMan]

8. How are you going to convince every employer to break the law?

[AntiFascist]

11. It would be a lot easier to just stop buying stuff you don't absolutely need and bring down the economy...

if Trump cares about anything, besides his own popularity, it's the stock market and the 1% whose value is measured in stock valuations.

[roamer65]

22. This☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

1. If you kill your discretionary spending, you help negate Dump’s tariff revenues.
2. If you kill your discretionary spending, you help the planet with less CO2 emissions.

[Intractable]

12. This is akin to the blue states seceding. Can that come to be? Be part of Canada?

I live in Florida. If the blues secede, I will move to one of them.

[Tickle]

13. Convention of States

Work to have your state pass it. If 35 states pass article 5 convention of States it limits the power and justification of the federal government. 19 states have past it

[Blue Full Moon]

14. That is the end game for the republicans

[Tickle]

18. What do you mean by end game?

How would they even benefit by it? They live in poor states, I would think they love the Federal Government

[Blue Full Moon]

19. They want to rewrite the Constitution

[UniqueUserName]

17. Thought experiment: Could blue states pass a law so that. . .

. . .individual Fed taxes due must be first paid in to a state escrow account which the state would then forward to the Feds as the state deemed due?

None of these ideas are going to happen. So this is more of a thought experiment than a suggestion.

So, I am asking that if a state decided to hold the money until each quarter, as self-employed people do, would that keep each individual from running afoul of the federal laws? Individuals and businesses could argue that they did indeed pay ALL of their federal tax obligations regardless of whether the state government chose to forward to the US Treasury.

Let's be clear. This isn't going to happen. And if anything like this did happen, it would most certainly escalate to violent conflict. The question is whether we are headed there anyway.

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. State governments don't control that

[Ping Tung]

21. There would be a lot of foreclosures and hunger in the MAGA States.