Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:40 AM Jan 2012

The USA has now stooped to a position lower than the former USSR

A little hyperbole, but not by much. This posting comes to you from one of my FB friends, who passed it on to her friends. I cannot vouch for the info she was passing on, but I do believe it, and want to make sure others know about it.

Most conservatives in the US think they they're hot shit in comparison to the rest of the world. This posting is a reminder that the hearts and minds of many in this country are more fucked up than many other countries in the world, especially nut jobs who don't see this country descending into a hell, made by conservatives and other idiots.
___________________________________________________________________________________

"Group participation: what's wrong with this picture?

I ordered some video-editing software from Hitfilm in the UK which also comes with some instructional videos. So a few days later I get a call from FedEx saying that the DVDs were being held at U.S. Customs until I filled out a Video Declaration Form, which she said was now standard practice.

Now, I'd never heard of this before, so I called back to ensure that this was indeed FedEx and not someone phishing for information. Had them email me the form. This is what the form said: "I/we declare the the films/videos contain no obscene or immoral matter, nor any matter advocating or urging treason or insurrection against the United States, nor any threat to take the life of or inflict bodily harm upon any person in the United States."

Now, the first clause I can kinda see, though "immoral" is weird and there's no standard definition of obscenity in the US, but let that go...what made my eyebrows go up my forehead and down the other side was clause two. So I called back the nice lady at FedEx -- who was only following instructions given to her by Customs -- and asked what this was all about.

Apparently -- and this is only her understanding of the situation -- this is a new thing being done by Customs and Homeland Security with FedEx, UPS, and other carriers to make sure that films and videos with ideas or stories that were at odds with the United States Government didn't get into the country, as it was a form of terrorism (as further elaborated upon in the third and final clause.)

She added that some DVDs showing Occupy events in London and elsewhere had gotten bounced because of the concern that these were being used to coordinate activities here (as if with the internet people actually need physical DVDs for that sort of thing but that's neither here nor there).

Under this new stipulation, if V for Vendetta had, for instance, been produced in the UK (instead of just filmed there), importing it into the US would be considered subject matter "advocating or urging treason or insurrection." And if you lied about it on the form, you could be held liable for this. So there are now very literally guardians at the gate ensuring that the wrong sorts of ideas, movies or DVDs are not allowed into the country without investigation and/or prosecution. And most pernicious of all, they don't actually define what they mean by advocating treason or insurrection, any more than they define what "immoral" means, it's whatever they decide it means, so you could be breaking the law without knowing you're doing it, until they decide you're doing it. Thoughts?"

12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The USA has now stooped to a position lower than the former USSR (Original Post) hyphenate Jan 2012 OP
I was so sure that this was bullshit that I started looking- and immediately found it. It's real. Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #1
Ah yes the lovely year of 1944 is back nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #2
Reno v ACLU and ACLU v Reno (Communications Decency Act).... Pachamama Jan 2012 #6
But, but, but -- xfundy Jan 2012 #3
What about the Mann act? White slavery? Let's bring that back next Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #4
The US is better than the USSR. We have two parties. They had one. Selatius Jan 2012 #5
As Jello Biafra has stated... roamer65 Jan 2012 #7
Pretty much it. hyphenate Jan 2012 #8
Well Put...LOL..... Jello Biafra Jan 2012 #10
That durn 4th Amendment is sooo inconvenient and unnecessary. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #9
Here is a .pdf of the aforementioned Customs Video/Film Declaration form: Earth_First Jan 2012 #11
Sounds like the rules for GD. Octafish Jan 2012 #12

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
1. I was so sure that this was bullshit that I started looking- and immediately found it. It's real.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:13 AM
Jan 2012

Form sample @ FedEx

See "Immoral Articles" here at the Government Printing Office.

All persons are prohibited from importing into
the United States from any foreign country any
book, pamphlet, paper, writing, advertisement,
circular, print, picture, or drawing containing
any matter advocating or urging treason or insurrection
against the United States, or forcible
resistance to any law of the United States, or
containing any threat to take the life of or inflict
bodily harm upon any person in the United
States, or any obscene book, pamphlet, paper,
writing, advertisement, circular, print, picture,
drawing, or other representation, figure, or
image on or of paper or other material, or any
cast, instrument, or other article which is obscene
or immoral, or any drug or medicine or
any article whatever for causing unlawful abortion,
or any lottery ticket, or any printed paper
that may be used as a lottery ticket, or any advertisement
of any lottery. No such articles
whether imported separately or contained in
packages with other goods entitled to entry,
shall be admitted to entry; and all such articles
and, unless it appears to the satisfaction of the
appropriate customs officer that the obscene or
other prohibited articles contained in the package
were inclosed therein without the knowledge
or consent of the importer, owner, agent, or
consignee, the entire contents of the package in
which such articles are contained, shall be subject
to seizure and forfeiture as hereinafter provided:
Provided, That the drugs hereinbefore
mentioned, when imported in bulk and not put
up for any of the purposes hereinbefore specified,
are excepted from the operation of this subdivision:
Provided, That the drugs hereinbefore
mentioned, when imported in bulk and not put
up for any of the purposes hereinbefore specified,
are excepted from the operation of this subdivision:
Provided further, That the Secretary of
the Treasury may, in his discretion, admit the
so-called classics or books of recognized and established
literary or scientific merit, but may,
in his discretion, admit such classics or books
only when imported for noncommercial purposes:
Provided further, That effective January 1,
1993, this section shall not apply to any lottery
ticket, printed paper that may be used as a lottery
ticket, or advertisement of any lottery,
that is printed in Canada for use in connection
with a lottery conducted in the United States.


Immoral? Obscene?

What the fuck?

PB
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. Ah yes the lovely year of 1944 is back
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:27 AM
Jan 2012

there was a time when the USPS refused to take things that were deemed immoral by the Post Master General. Ok some might have made sense. but one of the things refused had to do with contraception.

NO, it is not right, but if people knew their history this bullshit would have less of a chance.

Here

http://www.amazon.com/Defense-American-Liberties-Second-History/dp/0809322706

This is NOT the first time

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
6. Reno v ACLU and ACLU v Reno (Communications Decency Act)....
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jan 2012

Thanks for the reminder of why I am a proud card carrying member of the ACLU and why our country full of So many people who fail to read & understand (remember) our history ( as well as other nations's history) has led to a place where we are going backwards and repeating the same mistakes....

Sigh....

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
3. But, but, but --
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:32 AM
Jan 2012

the TeaTurds, Palins, fundies, churches, etc., have been disseminating treasonous cries for their idiot followers to "take up arms," etc. against the gubmint for YEARS.

Oh, of course, I forgot. IOKIYAR.

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
5. The US is better than the USSR. We have two parties. They had one.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:58 AM
Jan 2012

We restrict freedoms in the name of security and morality and the war on terror. They restricted freedoms in the name of ensuring the supremacy of the Party. There's a huge difference between the two. In the former, it's done for our own good; whereas, in the latter, it's done for the sole reason of extending the rule of the Party.



 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. That durn 4th Amendment is sooo inconvenient and unnecessary.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:02 PM
Jan 2012
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Sounds like the rules for GD.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:26 PM
Jan 2012

Excepting the "no conspiracy theories" bit.

In all seriousness: The United States of America has become a fully-owned and operated subsidiary of War Inc.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The USA has now stooped t...