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HOLY SHIT! OBAMA IS GOING THERE (Original Post) rufus dog Dec 2012 OP
yes, he is going to be head on against the weapons still_one Dec 2012 #1
And... So What?? Iggy Dec 2012 #70
I know it takes congress, but this is the first time in a long that a president is backing it. It still_one Dec 2012 #75
And These Things Have a Way of Iggy Dec 2012 #78
make them more accountable to us not to big money daybranch Dec 2012 #93
That is the whole key, daybranch. Actually, getting the corporate & foreign money out of elections loudsue Dec 2012 #156
Unfortunately that horse left the barn long ago Iggy Dec 2012 #162
Defining moment brush Dec 2012 #143
That's right. Aren't there laws on the books that aren't being implemented? Maybe Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #151
Actually, the President CAN craft a Bill.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #92
If you replace yacht club with House of Representatives R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #140
Government buildings in Washington DC have the best security there is lunatica Dec 2012 #148
I really expect some Tea Party jerk wanting to pack heat on the House Floor. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #157
Or at a maternity clinic where only Ineeda Dec 2012 #145
He had a list of actions taken that could be implemented by executive order magical thyme Dec 2012 #160
VIDEO Here: Hissyspit Dec 2012 #89
My thoughts exactly BucChic Dec 2012 #2
Looks like it. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #3
The answer is no malaise Dec 2012 #4
Tell it like it is rbrnmw Dec 2012 #5
No way. (I am not watching by the way) banned from Kos Dec 2012 #6
He's talking about protecting our children and preventing more tragedies like this. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #12
It's about damn time it was "politicized." The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #13
Couldn't have said it better myself. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #76
Yeah...that's a dead give-away... ReRe Dec 2012 #108
I was SO proud of him! SO PROUD!!! I was SO PROUD that he is my President. calimary Dec 2012 #123
This is not politicizing, this is to stop the violence still_one Dec 2012 #15
It's about the violence neverforget Dec 2012 #20
He's saying we can't keep letting people be killed senselessly Skidmore Dec 2012 #21
He's not politicizing it--he's telling us we must do better for our kids. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #22
"Politicize???" I don't see saving lives with common sense gun control policies as political. Kahuna Dec 2012 #24
It *is* already politicized. Duh. nt Lex Dec 2012 #26
Obama is correct to do this. He is a HERO to do this. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #29
He's not politicizing.... RichGirl Dec 2012 #30
Very well done, Mr. President. I am very proud of you tonight. Kahuna Dec 2012 #34
This is a supremely political event. morningfog Dec 2012 #31
All that God talk might soften roody Dec 2012 #49
Yes I agree humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #57
I'm not ignoring the fact that it's political.... ReRe Dec 2012 #99
He's way smarter than you alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #47
a positive use of the shock doctrine principle elehhhhna Dec 2012 #85
Wow. And how is he going to do all this? UndahCovah Dec 2012 #87
Huh? Destroy the gun culture? ReRe Dec 2012 #103
I was responding to post #47 UndahCovah Dec 2012 #107
Pardonome, por favor ReRe Dec 2012 #117
It will take generations, like it did with cigarette smoking. Flatulo Dec 2012 #136
it's the NRA who politicized guns Skittles Dec 2012 #53
Hopefully in the near future you'll be "banned from DU"... n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2012 #55
That has to be your best post yet. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #56
What? Do you think politics is a sport? Ash_F Dec 2012 #64
What a bizarro thing to say. nt valerief Dec 2012 #73
Oh, mah smellin' salts! Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #83
Politicize? sellitman Dec 2012 #84
So what do you think should be done about gun violence in the USA? Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #86
/facepalm n/t JTFrog Dec 2012 #96
He didn't politicize it Renew Deal Dec 2012 #119
Nobody is politicizing the tragedy bongbong Dec 2012 #129
Lovely NRA talking point. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #132
Could you explain that statement a little more in depth? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #141
The NRA thanks you for repeating their talking points _ed_ Dec 2012 #153
You should have watched before you commented qanda Dec 2012 #154
thank you for that nonsense red herring RW talking point magical thyme Dec 2012 #161
In the first pages of... RichGirl Dec 2012 #7
Here's to Hillary for giving him that... undeterred Dec 2012 #91
Yep - good for the President. Meaningful gun control is coming, NRA shills - get over it. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #8
What do you mean by meaningful? n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #106
Mandatory background checks for all, mandatory waiting periods for all... blogslut Dec 2012 #115
I'm not so sure about the assault weapons. ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #121
Well, I was writing extemporaneously. blogslut Dec 2012 #126
They're reasonable, but they would not have stopped this tragedy. We need to get all Flatulo Dec 2012 #137
"We can't tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them we must change." eom ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #9
He is Historic NY Dec 2012 #10
Well he should. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #11
He is! I'm so proud of my president. Such a good and humane man. Kahuna Dec 2012 #14
thank god. elehhhhna Dec 2012 #16
He is going all out. Glimmer of Hope Dec 2012 #17
We can't solve all violence, but we can take some steps. Lex Dec 2012 #18
That is the man I voted for! nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #19
That is the man I voted for. grammiepammie Dec 2012 #35
MORAL COURAGE AND CLARITY undeterred Dec 2012 #23
I was wondering if Separation Dec 2012 #25
Oh FFS, it's a gun rush in the US 24/7/365 and HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #32
That sounds dangerous ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #111
Time for blood to be shed protecting citizens from gun nuts. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #139
Are you talking to me? Separation Dec 2012 #125
It already started, guns shops near me, were overflowed with customers...there were lines outside HipChick Dec 2012 #33
where are you riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #66
all of them JHB Dec 2012 #98
I am thankful I live in Canada riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #120
I saw a new story on TV, and the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days. RC Dec 2012 #127
It's already happening . . . tilsammans Dec 2012 #38
So let's go spend lots of money on guns the govt. will confiscate . . . hatrack Dec 2012 #68
If one believes that the government is gonna take their guns away....lol... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #44
Because it seems far more likely... ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #109
WHatever. There was a rush on guns and ammo after the election too. Pholus Dec 2012 #124
He will need each and every one of us to back him. And I mean everywhere. nolabear Dec 2012 #27
+10000000000000 jillan Dec 2012 #37
+ zillions and zillions nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #45
I agree, perfect timing for a humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #59
How about the weekend before the inauguration? Atticus Dec 2012 #90
Well said. I join you. n/t OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #79
+quadrillion of billions SummerSnow Dec 2012 #114
I am waiting..... glinda Dec 2012 #28
What are you waiting for? It our move now. nt Walk away Dec 2012 #43
How do you figure. glinda Dec 2012 #94
Amazingly enough, I have no idea what you're talking about! brooklynite Dec 2012 #36
"we can't tolerate this anymore" n/t riverwalker Dec 2012 #41
He did an outstanding job! OUTSTANDING!! Now we must do our part and support him and Congress Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #39
YES, he did! Glitterati Dec 2012 #50
That was a great speech. Initech Dec 2012 #40
Even if he won, he probably wouldn't have spoken tonight democrattotheend Dec 2012 #69
Oh good good good. Thank you for telling us. I couldn't watch. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #42
he not only went there riverwalker Dec 2012 #46
I was holding my breath... Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #48
K&R nt avebury Dec 2012 #51
What did he say? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #52
Go online and watch it, or turn on CNN rufus dog Dec 2012 #58
here`s part of it madrchsod Dec 2012 #88
He said.... RichGirl Dec 2012 #54
What would be truly pathetic about armed guards for our children? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #112
'The president gets to have armed guards for his children' tawadi Dec 2012 #130
Do you have some medical or mental condition Ineeda Dec 2012 #146
I LOVE second term Obama! Vanje Dec 2012 #60
New and improved. Barack_America Dec 2012 #61
Oh Yeah. He's the Honey Badger. He no longer has to give a shit. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #74
This is still first term Obama. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #142
Oh. Yes. Sure. Vanje Dec 2012 #144
Obama has isolated the NRA and left them hanging Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #62
Wonder if they'll reactivate their Facebook or twitter accounts to respond? Barack_America Dec 2012 #63
You could see his grief and anger iandhr Dec 2012 #65
yes! it is time! hopemountain Dec 2012 #67
Welcome to DU, hopemountain! calimary Dec 2012 #163
It was also obvious 2naSalit Dec 2012 #71
We've got a President that "Gets it" Harry Monroe Dec 2012 #72
Yes he did and I think he means it from the bottom of his heart! Little Star Dec 2012 #77
The bankers and the people who do their bidding? He will save millions of lives!!! n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #80
The look in his eyes before he even stated to speak told me that!n/t Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #81
i think the american people have had enough... madrchsod Dec 2012 #82
The NRA needs to join the KKK. The hoods are off...Every Gun Registered !! libdem4life Dec 2012 #95
funny you should mentioned the KKK and guns.... ceejdre82 Dec 2012 #100
KKK/Nazi memorabilia is fairly prolific at gun shows Nevernose Dec 2012 #104
Some of us of a certain age and distant memories of the South, remember when George Wallace was libdem4life Dec 2012 #113
Ten years to get a complete "Gun DNA System" up and running alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #110
This is awesome. No time like the present to start. libdem4life Dec 2012 #116
I wonder how many RW nutters belong to both organizations. Brigid Dec 2012 #122
Probably, but I sense a significant shift with the President's Bully Pulpit Speech libdem4life Dec 2012 #133
I hope so too. Brigid Dec 2012 #135
How would registration have prevented this massacre? Flatulo Dec 2012 #138
I was like whoa - PBO totally and completely went there underthematrix Dec 2012 #97
He probably wanted to meet the victims first democrattotheend Dec 2012 #105
130,000 WhiteHouse petitions in 48 hours Nevernose Dec 2012 #101
a warning MFM008 Dec 2012 #102
I have to believe that this was the straw..... llmart Dec 2012 #118
Not to be cynical, but no matter what he does, to some, it will never be enough. MADem Dec 2012 #128
And to many, it will be too much. Ineeda Dec 2012 #147
What a great speech. MadrasT Dec 2012 #131
Yes, yes he did nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #134
But don't forget CA senator Diane Feinstein... tedzbear Dec 2012 #149
He needs to go further: Myrina Dec 2012 #150
No, *WE* need to go further.... read all about... 6502 Dec 2012 #152
Now's the time to write to your senators & rep about gun control legislation. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #155
Perhaps the politicians in the nation should set better examples? Like stop bombing unarmed people No Compromise Dec 2012 #158
If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad.. Malcolm X pitbullgirl1965 Dec 2012 #159
 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
70. And... So What??
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:17 PM
Dec 2012

Again, the POTUS doesn't craft and fund legislation.

That would be the job of the deadbeats in Congress.

Not long ago, it took them what? 15 months just to pass a transportation bill which a few years ago took 4-5 weeks?

Please wake up to the fact Congress is a huge problem; they are more or less worthless.

still_one

(92,153 posts)
75. I know it takes congress, but this is the first time in a long that a president is backing it. It
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:20 PM
Dec 2012

Starts somewhere

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
78. And These Things Have a Way of
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:23 PM
Dec 2012

ending prematurely as well.. because congress does not care.

Congress has to be MADE to care again-- and that's going to take a helluva lot of work.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
156. That is the whole key, daybranch. Actually, getting the corporate & foreign money out of elections
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:14 PM
Dec 2012

is the place to start, then gerrymandering will start to turn itself around some.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
162. Unfortunately that horse left the barn long ago
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:50 PM
Dec 2012

The SCOTUS has already ruled on this; campaign contributions are "free speech", remember?

we're not getting the money out of elections-- forget it.

brush

(53,769 posts)
143. Defining moment
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:32 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)

This could be even more of a "big fucking deal", as Joe Biden would say, if the President is able to get effective gun control legislation passed, even more than the Affordable Care Act. Let's back him up all the way. The country needs this.

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
151. That's right. Aren't there laws on the books that aren't being implemented? Maybe
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:25 AM
Dec 2012

he can just issue an official order that certain laws must take effect.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
92. Actually, the President CAN craft a Bill....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:40 PM
Dec 2012

However it will take a rampage at a yacht club before Republicans give a shit.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
140. If you replace yacht club with House of Representatives
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:19 AM
Dec 2012

then the Republicans will truly give a shit.

And, I in no way am advocating violence against any persons living or dead.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
148. Government buildings in Washington DC have the best security there is
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:08 AM
Dec 2012

Funny how the people who can pass legislation to make our schools safer won't even though they themselves are probably the most protected people on the planet while they're at work.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
145. Or at a maternity clinic where only
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:28 AM
Dec 2012

the fetuses are killed. Everyone else dying is just fine and dandy. BTW, I try very hard in my life not to hate anyone, never mind an entire group. I'm failing when it come to those assholes.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
160. He had a list of actions taken that could be implemented by executive order
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:08 PM
Dec 2012

but chose not to do them due to the upcoming election campaign.

Nothing that I know of can stophim from dusting them off and executing the orders.

malaise

(268,949 posts)
4. The answer is no
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

We are not doing enough for our children.

The fourth time - an endless series of deadly shootings
We can't tolerate them anymore and to end them we must change.
Yes Obama !!!

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
6. No way. (I am not watching by the way)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

President Obama is way too smart to politicize a tragedy like this one.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
76. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:21 PM
Dec 2012

When people howl about "politization", they're talking about exploiting some event for selfish purposes.

But it's perfectly legitimate to get political, even right after a tragedy, to push for action to prevent future tragedies.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
108. Yeah...that's a dead give-away...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:16 PM
Dec 2012

...when they holler "politicization". Another good one is "class warfare." Or "how you gonna' pay for it?&quot when Republicons' have never balanced a budget in their lives.)

calimary

(81,220 posts)
123. I was SO proud of him! SO PROUD!!! I was SO PROUD that he is my President.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:53 PM
Dec 2012

He is OUR President. He may well go down in history as one of our greatest. His years have been marked by a lot of history-making. This was IMPRESSIVE!!!! And courageous as hell!

First thing I thought was - MAN did I get my money's worth out of that last election!

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
21. He's saying we can't keep letting people be killed senselessly
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:50 PM
Dec 2012

as a price of freedom. Good for him for standing strong. Because this endless killing is too much.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
24. "Politicize???" I don't see saving lives with common sense gun control policies as political.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

But that's just me.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. Obama is correct to do this. He is a HERO to do this.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 PM
Dec 2012

You and your gun nut friends can go suck an egg. Go sell your NRA talking points elsewhere.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
30. He's not politicizing....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 PM
Dec 2012

He's telling THE TRUTH in the most gentle, eloquent way imaginable. You can't just mourn and pray and have a moment of silence. You have to acknowledge our mistakes, what we have learned and what we are going to do different. If that involves politics...oh well...

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
57. Yes I agree
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
Dec 2012

Political posturing by the right wing who want to claim that everything is part of some Obama conspiracy to come after you or have the government come after you and take all your freedom away...

That politicizing is all I see.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
99. I'm not ignoring the fact that it's political....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:03 PM
Dec 2012

I agree! And the only thing is, the Republicons' won't dare vote against a bill that addresses this situation. And if they do, it's "Bye-Bye" Republicons' in 2014!
Bring it on, Feinstein and PO!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
47. He's way smarter than you
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:01 PM
Dec 2012

He's going to do exactly what is needed: seize the opportunity to address a public health crisis created by the gun manufacturers and their sucker flunkies: he's going to destroy the gun culture that has visited so many senseless massacres upon us, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

 

UndahCovah

(125 posts)
87. Wow. And how is he going to do all this?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:33 PM
Dec 2012

Single-handedly, he is going to destroy gun-culture, which is as deeply ingrained in America as anything can possibly be?

 

UndahCovah

(125 posts)
107. I was responding to post #47
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:15 PM
Dec 2012

The poster of #47 says that Obama is going to destroy gun-culture in America. I don't see that as being very likely...One man, four years, destroying a culture that has existed since before American independence?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
117. Pardonome, por favor
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:35 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously, I'm sorry I got the wrong guy. It's helps to address your reply to the right person, huh? Again, sorry...

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
136. It will take generations, like it did with cigarette smoking.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:29 AM
Dec 2012

Each gun-owning American that can be convinced, not by scorn and ridicule but by logic and reason, to give up their high capacity magazines and to secure their weapons will be a victory.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
83. Oh, mah smellin' salts!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:27 PM
Dec 2012

We can't have POLITICs that relate to mass child slaughter now, can we? Ahh mean, whad would the naaaybahs say?

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
84. Politicize?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:28 PM
Dec 2012

No, how you have responded is politicization.

How he has responded is common sense.

Daily Kos is calling you.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
141. Could you explain that statement a little more in depth?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:24 AM
Dec 2012

I watched the President's speech, and what was clear was that he as the leader of this nation was responding to this tragedy instead of hiding from it: apparently like some posters on DU.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
153. The NRA thanks you for repeating their talking points
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:48 AM
Dec 2012

After all, why would a politician use politics?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
161. thank you for that nonsense red herring RW talking point
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:14 PM
Dec 2012

They wasted no time politicizing this event -- and all its predecessor events -- by accusing the other side of trying to politicize it.

Gun control is about preventing violence. Acts of violence are the entire reason gun control exists. Therefore, when acts of violence occur, the discussion comes to the fore.

And politics is how Congress decides what action is appropriate in response to a societal need or crisis.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
7. In the first pages of...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

Hillary Clinton's book "It take a Village" she says that having a child is like having your heart outside of yor body. I've quoted that many times.

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
115. Mandatory background checks for all, mandatory waiting periods for all...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:28 PM
Dec 2012

banning the gun show loophole, banning the sale of assault weapons.

All reasonable, meaningful measures.

 

ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
121. I'm not so sure about the assault weapons.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:48 PM
Dec 2012

From what I remember during the last assault weapon ban, the guns being sold weren't much different than the guns that were banned. They didn't have a flash hider or bayonet lug, and they didn't have an adjustable stock, but other than that, they seemed pretty functionally identical.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
137. They're reasonable, but they would not have stopped this tragedy. We need to get all
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:32 AM
Dec 2012

high capacity magazines out of the hands of civilians. 5 rounds should be enough for hunting or home defense.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
32. Oh FFS, it's a gun rush in the US 24/7/365 and HAS BEEN FOR DECADES.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:54 PM
Dec 2012

Too bad. We the People are coming for your assault weapons and giant clips.

 

ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
111. That sounds dangerous
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 PM
Dec 2012

If only .01% of gun owners put up a fight, I imagine that there will be blood shed. BTW, I think you meant "magazines" instead of "clips". Don't worry, it's a common mistake to make. Most clips that I'm aware of only hold 8 or 10 rounds or so, as opposed to magazines which are commonly available to hold 30 rounds.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
139. Time for blood to be shed protecting citizens from gun nuts.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:03 AM
Dec 2012

I'm tired of all of us cowering in fear of you people.

If we have to risk dying to end gun nuttery, count me in.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
125. Are you talking to me?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:57 PM
Dec 2012

Your gonna be pretty disappointed when you come crashing through my door and don't find any.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
33. It already started, guns shops near me, were overflowed with customers...there were lines outside
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:54 PM
Dec 2012

the door

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
127. I saw a new story on TV, and the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:58 PM
Dec 2012

Just great, if 300,000,000 guns for 311.6 million people won't stop the gun violence, what is a few hundred thousand more guns on the streets going to do? That's right, make the situation just that much worse. How stupid can people get? No need to answer that, the news story itself answered that question. "...the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days."

Get ready for the "Obama s gonna take yer guns away campaign", brought to you by your NRA.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
68. So let's go spend lots of money on guns the govt. will confiscate . . .
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:15 PM
Dec 2012

Unless they're buried, beneath a secret rock, in the woods behind Russell's old room . . .

 

ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
109. Because it seems far more likely...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:16 PM
Dec 2012

...that instead of confiscating them door to door (which I imagine will result in several little Wacos all around the country), they will probably try to prohibit manufacturing and sales.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
124. WHatever. There was a rush on guns and ammo after the election too.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:54 PM
Dec 2012

See, the paranoid break from reality that connects every event with "must arm self" is the problem.

At least this time it hopefully will be warranted. Maybe it will be the LAST rush before sanity returns. However, I predict that despite gunloon howling at the moon what comes out will be common sense and will not needlessly abridge rights that don't deal with public safety.

But thanks for re-emphasizing that the real problem is the gun owners and their nonlinear reactions, not the guns themselves.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
27. He will need each and every one of us to back him. And I mean everywhere.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 PM
Dec 2012

We cannot let darkness win. We cannot let violence, even our own, rule us.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
59. I agree, perfect timing for a
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:08 PM
Dec 2012

March in D.C. to show solidarity and support for our President to end this violence once and for all...

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
90. How about the weekend before the inauguration?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:36 PM
Dec 2012

Not the 19th and 20th---too many "attendees" in town. But, the 12th and 13th would be close enough and would give the media enough time to editorialize about it.


glinda

(14,807 posts)
94. How do you figure.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:44 PM
Dec 2012

Unless something changes and the people voted in actually do something. You must remember that over 30-some States are against more gun control basically or interference with their 2nd amendment rights..

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
39. He did an outstanding job! OUTSTANDING!! Now we must do our part and support him and Congress
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

members like Dianne Feinstein who want to renew the ban on assault weapons, as well as, move to pass tougher gun control laws.

Initech

(100,064 posts)
40. That was a great speech.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

I can't help but think how if Mitt Romney were elected how he would've handled this tragedy.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
69. Even if he won, he probably wouldn't have spoken tonight
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:16 PM
Dec 2012

Obama would still be president right now.

But I am very very glad that Obama will be president for another 4 years.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
42. Oh good good good. Thank you for telling us. I couldn't watch.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:59 PM
Dec 2012

I didn't want my son to be afraid. Thanks for watching for me.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
54. He said....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:05 PM
Dec 2012

A society is judged by how it treats it's children.

Wow....I guess we have to stop saying WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE. We aren't...not even close. And if we have to put armed guards in schools...as some suggest...we are truly pathetic.

 

ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
112. What would be truly pathetic about armed guards for our children?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:24 PM
Dec 2012

The president gets to have armed guards for his children. If only those children in Connecticut were able to have even a fraction of that level of protection, I imagine that many, if not all, of them would still be with us today.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
146. Do you have some medical or mental condition
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:47 AM
Dec 2012

we should be aware of? Your posts are vile. You obviously care more about your Precious than a room flooded with a river of blood and the body parts of babies, AGES SIX AND SEVEN, for god's sake

Edit for typo.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
74. Oh Yeah. He's the Honey Badger. He no longer has to give a shit.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:20 PM
Dec 2012

He also said "we have bigger fish to fry than recreational pot smokers".

Hopefully dealing with the easy availability of these crazy assault weapons will be one of those fish.

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
62. Obama has isolated the NRA and left them hanging
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:10 PM
Dec 2012

Their talking points are empty and hollow when set next to this speech

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
67. yes! it is time!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:15 PM
Dec 2012

- time to get assault weapons off the streets and out of people's homes - and out of the hands of felons, persons with mental instabilities and awaaaay from children. and this is only the beginning to addressing the issues of violence in our communities.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
163. Welcome to DU, hopemountain!
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:19 PM
Dec 2012

Glad you're here! It is indeed time. Call them what they are - weapons of mass destruction. Call their use domestic terrorism. I mean - how does it make you feel, to think about how many people in any given group - might be packing heat? I think about that every time my kid's band goes out on the road. In any average show, in any average crowd, maybe one in ten, on average, might be carrying a gun into that venue? What happens when something suddenly spins out of control?

2naSalit

(86,565 posts)
71. It was also obvious
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:17 PM
Dec 2012

from the look on his face that this had better not happen again, and that he never wants to be speaking at another event like this. He shed a tear or two and was visibly upset by the end of it all, especially when he read aloud the names of 20 children at the end.

And recall that he receives multiple death threats each and every day from the RW violence-mongers... it's not like he doesn't have a clue. He looks ten years older than he did four years ago and that would be one of the primary reasons why.

We need to back him, he has just put the ball back in our court. What we need to do is lean on our more localized alleged representatives and insist they vote in favor of the assault weapons ban and whatever else is appropriate and don't take any placating BS from them either. Be polite but stand your ground... pun intended.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
82. i think the american people have had enough...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:27 PM
Dec 2012

to many men ,women,and children have been killed in this country by weapons in the wrong hands, background checks are a joke. anyone can buy any amount of weapons at gun shows with the right amount of cash. weapons are sold to gangs across the country by people who make a living selling death on the streets across the country.

thank god for the american people who voted for a president that feels for the children in this country.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
95. The NRA needs to join the KKK. The hoods are off...Every Gun Registered !!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:50 PM
Dec 2012

Yes, we can. Deal with it.

ceejdre82

(183 posts)
100. funny you should mentioned the KKK and guns....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:04 PM
Dec 2012

My husband told me that one of his friends at poker recently went to a gun show...this guy is liberal...kind of a hippie... and is not an obnoxious gun owner, just has a few because he lives on a farm. Anyhow, right after he purchased a gun at the gun show, a man came up to him and asked if he wanted some KKK literature. He said he just looked at the man and did not know how to respond, so he said something like "uh, no, how do I know you aren't FBI?" Kind of scary...I am sure he didn't want to piss the guy off in cade he followed him into the parking lot, but how he held back from saying what he really wanted to say is beyond me!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
104. KKK/Nazi memorabilia is fairly prolific at gun shows
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:10 PM
Dec 2012

It's not usually in your face, but it's always there, and anyone who says otherwise is either willfully stupid or an outright liar.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
113. Some of us of a certain age and distant memories of the South, remember when George Wallace was
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:26 PM
Dec 2012

still strutting around. He was kind of the epitome of the shit-kickin' good ol' boys and as I recall, most of them nice folk during the day. It really went underground then. I remember the old grainy black-and-white versions. They say he changed his mind, and I'm willing to grant that perhaps sitting in a wheelchair all those years gave him time to reflect, and perhaps repent.

Shining the light of day more fully on the cultural remnants ... the Preppers and such, will continue to put it away.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
110. Ten years to get a complete "Gun DNA System" up and running
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 PM
Dec 2012

Every single gun produced and sold in this country will have to have a barrel "fingerprint" on file, and be registered. Its course will be traced from manufacture to destruction, just as we do with cars. Scannable (bar code) GINs (Gun identification numbers) on the weapon, and the profile for any bullet fired through it on file in a CODIS-like database controlled by the FBI. Tampering with the barrel to change the profile will be a (federal) felony with mandatory minimums, since the only reason to tamper with the barrel would be to commit a murder - like owning or making a silencer. Nobody gets into a target firing facility without scanning their weapons. Violator facilities subject to immediate shutdown. No grandfathering of currently existing weapons: any entrance to a target firing facility will require a scan; current guns can be registered and given a scannable GIN - at the owner's expense. Owners of current weapons are free not to have them receive a scan, but they will not be able to use those weapons in target firing facilities unless they receive a GIN.

Not a single gun leaves the shopfloor without contributing its barrel markers to the database - and the gun manufacturers are responsible for paying for that system's development. You sell the gun? You transfer the registration, scan the bar code, and it goes in the federal database. Your privacy concerns are irrelevant: fuck you...it's a matter of public health. Every single sale requires background check and waiting period. Any gun can be tracked to its current owner in seconds on nationally connected computers. The gun manufacturers pay for the system to be developed and implemented. Additional taxes on every gun sale pays for maintenance.

And all that is only for the guns allowed to be sold. Many of today's guns will be prohibited.

That's at a minimum.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
116. This is awesome. No time like the present to start.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:32 PM
Dec 2012

The journey of 10,000 miles begins with the first step. Now, about the penalties???

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
133. Probably, but I sense a significant shift with the President's Bully Pulpit Speech
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:15 AM
Dec 2012

May be it's just my hope, but this speech will go down in history.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
138. How would registration have prevented this massacre?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:38 AM
Dec 2012

I'm not against registration, but any bold action has to have the effect of making these mass killings much more difficult. Registration is actually completely ineffective in stopping crimes, because the police are almost always able to identify the weapons used in crimes.

I would support an immediate ban on the manufacture and possession of any magazine for any weapon with greater than 5 round capacity, and only 2 such magazines may be possessed for any particular weapon.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
97. I was like whoa - PBO totally and completely went there
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:55 PM
Dec 2012

and he's not backing down and I have his back. I will do whatever he nees his 23 million strong tweeters to do.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
105. He probably wanted to meet the victims first
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:13 PM
Dec 2012

To see how they felt before making the service a call to action.

I am with you - if he makes a push for gun control, which I don't see how he can not after tonight, I've got his back too.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
118. I have to believe that this was the straw.....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:37 PM
Dec 2012

for millions of Americans. I want to believe that it was the "straw" for the majority of Americans.

I will do whatever this 63-year old woman can possibly do because MY PRESIDENT asked me to.

I am so proud of my two votes for this man. He is the definition of a true man.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
128. Not to be cynical, but no matter what he does, to some, it will never be enough.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:59 PM
Dec 2012

I think he's one helluva POTUS, myself.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
147. And to many, it will be too much.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:01 AM
Dec 2012

And I agree -- helluva POTUS, helluva man, helluva human being.

tedzbear

(1,963 posts)
149. But don't forget CA senator Diane Feinstein...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:57 AM
Dec 2012

who has vowed to revive the Federal assault weapons ban. She's got his back!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
150. He needs to go further:
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
Dec 2012

This weekend should have been an epiphany that indeed we ARE failing our children. On every level.
Health care, safety, education, nutrition, housing, clothing, environmentally .... this should be POTUS' "a ha!" moment to tell the GOP to take their austerity and shove it up their fiscal cliff. He should go all LBJ "Great Society" on them - for all children, not just the white suburban ones - and refuse to back down.

6502

(249 posts)
152. No, *WE* need to go further.... read all about...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:30 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:27 AM - Edit history (2)

No, WE need to go further....

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
155. Now's the time to write to your senators & rep about gun control legislation.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:40 PM
Dec 2012

We have to make it more difficult for mentally disturbed people to get guns. If that means it's more difficult for everyone to get guns, then so be it.

Gun advocates argue that 'guns don't kill people, people kill people,' as a defense to keep from strengthening gun laws. However, these same people don't object to being tested to get a drivers licence & having to renew that license periodically. Why don't they argue that cars don't kill people, people kill people? Cars & guns are both are just tools used by people, but both can also be powerful instruments of destruction.

It shouldn't be easier to get & keep a gun than it is to get & keep a drivers license.

Write, email or call TODAY!

 

No Compromise

(373 posts)
158. Perhaps the politicians in the nation should set better examples? Like stop bombing unarmed people
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
Dec 2012

Stop ignoring international law.

Stop acting like bullies around the globe in our war of error.

Stop mindlessly killing innocents wherever we please with drones?

It does take a village, and the rest of humanity is waiting for US to catch up.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
159. If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad.. Malcolm X
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:36 PM
Dec 2012

MTE No Compromise. How many children have been killed by drones?

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