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kairos12

(13,062 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:42 PM Dec 2012

Plane Crashes versus Mass Shootings

FAA crash and mass shooting investigations often appear similar to me:

1. Both involve multiple investigating agencies.

2. Mass casualties are always present.

3. Survivors and first responders are often traumatized long after the event is over.

4. The site of the event is combed over for months after-wards.

5. Investigators want to know how it happened to prevent it from happening again.

How FAA investigations and Mass Shooting Investigations are different.

1. When the FAA finds a cause, faulty door latch, improper oxygen system, landing gear failure, etc. they identify and replace the part to a plane does not crash by the same cause again.

2. Mass shooting investigations search high and wide for a why, mental illness, video games, bullying, many different theories. The piece that is always found at a mass shooting is a FIREARM. OFTEN A FIREARM WITH A CAPACITY TO FIRE MANY ROUNDS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

3. So, despite the 180 or so mass shootings since Columbine the defective part continues to be found at every scene.

4. We as a people would never accept a lobbying organization preventing the elimination of defective parts from an aircraft. Apparently, our politicians accept it when it comes to murdering our children.

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Plane Crashes versus Mass Shootings (Original Post) kairos12 Dec 2012 OP
I don't think that this is useful comparison cali Dec 2012 #1
I think the OP's intention was to make a point, namely, Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #4
It's a GREAT comparison. It's like wringing hands and saying Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #8
They're also both high-coverage, low-probability Recursion Dec 2012 #2
Worth repeating: 99Forever Dec 2012 #3
Simple difference: To the NRA, the gun isn't the "defective" part; the shooter is. CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Dec 2012 #6
Miss the Point kairos12 Dec 2012 #7
I think you have a good point. redwitch Dec 2012 #10
Observation kairos12 Dec 2012 #12
You are fucking wrong. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #11
Good points. We learn and change procedures after every plane crash. n/t LeftinOH Dec 2012 #9

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
4. I think the OP's intention was to make a point, namely,
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:47 PM
Dec 2012

that we know at least one thing to do about mass killings, but we're unwilling to do it.

But I agree that it was a less-than-elegant way to frame the point.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
8. It's a GREAT comparison. It's like wringing hands and saying
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:53 PM
Dec 2012

Oh, the Gods must be angry instead of objectively analyzing root cause. The number and type of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of private citizens is a major reason that this happens in the U.S. but not other industrial societies.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. They're also both high-coverage, low-probability
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

Driving to the airport is much more dangerous than the flight you take from it, but that's not how we perceive it.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
3. Worth repeating:
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012
"The piece that is always found at a mass shooting is a FIREARM. OFTEN A FIREARM WITH A CAPACITY TO FIRE MANY ROUNDS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME."

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
5. Simple difference: To the NRA, the gun isn't the "defective" part; the shooter is.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:49 PM
Dec 2012

And their faulty-logic solution to removing that defective part is to make sure others are armed to prevent that individual from killing.

Response to kairos12 (Original post)

kairos12

(13,062 posts)
7. Miss the Point
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:49 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:45 PM - Edit history (1)

We would have as many plane crashes as mass shootings if, like with firearms, we lack the political will to do anything about the problem.

That would include the political will to make sure not everyone who wants a military grade weapon can get one.

redwitch

(14,985 posts)
10. I think you have a good point.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:56 PM
Dec 2012

For some reason Americans accept that mass shootings are unstoppable and so we do nothing. Maybe the Newtown massacre will change that? I sure as hell hope so. I am so sad and depressed about it. How in the world are the families and friends of these victims ever come to terms with their loss?

kairos12

(13,062 posts)
12. Observation
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:11 PM
Dec 2012

I am also greatly saddened by this past week's events. Maybe I didn't make my point as well as I could have. It seems to me that civil aviation authorities do everything possible to make sure they are not combing through wreckage. If they can find the mechanic's wrench in the engine before the plane takes off we are sparred the site of the FAA combing through a disaster. It just seems like to me that we are endlessly combing through mass shooting sites without acquiring the political will necessary to prevent the next disaster. Close the gun show loop hole for example.

Enjoyed your post.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
11. You are fucking wrong.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:57 PM
Dec 2012

The OP compared disasters, and how we react to them. After plane crashes, we learn and change. After gun massacres, nothing happens.

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