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(19,768 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:31 PM Dec 2012

What level of gun control do you support?

edit: added to option 3


27 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Complete Ban On All Guns In The US.
0 (0%)
Complete Ban On All Guns In The US With Confiscation Of Existing Guns.
3 (11%)
Ban On Assault / Semi-Automatic / Military Style Guns.
0 (0%)
Registration.
0 (0%)
Waiting Periods.
0 (0%)
3, 4, and 5.
12 (44%)
Keep Existing Level Of Gun Control And Enforce Existing Gun Laws.
8 (30%)
Make All Guns Legal.
1 (4%)
Other. (Please Elaborate).
3 (11%)
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What level of gun control do you support? (Original Post) Skip Intro Dec 2012 OP
too black or white maxsolomon Dec 2012 #1
I am a gun owner and CCW holder obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #2
I'm a gin distiller Recursion Dec 2012 #4
Fixing the typo! obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #10
Yeah, the Jim Crow legacy is one of the things that makes me nervous about gun control in general Recursion Dec 2012 #12
Assault gun? What do you say to conservatives who legislate on things they don't know about? Recursion Dec 2012 #3
Choice 7 with two caveats... slackmaster Dec 2012 #5
I didn't find my exact choice on the list, but you have a good cross section BlueStreak Dec 2012 #6
Only full auto can shoot that quickly obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #11
I don't want to get lost in terminogy. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
Here ya go. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #21
None of the above Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #7
That is more severe than I would go. But I don't see why we limit it to a BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
It is easier for me to purchase a semi-automatic rifle than it is to get a Haz-Mat endorsement on my Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #23
Other-Here is a link to my post in GC/RKBA Kaleva Dec 2012 #8
A little bit of 3, some of 5 and 1/2 of 7. Glassunion Dec 2012 #9
What slackmaster said in post #5. X_Digger Dec 2012 #13
Why isn't there a step between all guns legal and current law? Kurska Dec 2012 #14
I knew I'd miss some scenario. That's why I put in an "other," option. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #15
Noted n/t Kurska Dec 2012 #17
Safety training, improvement of NIC's and states records reporting... -..__... Dec 2012 #16
I support the individual's right... Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #18
Either 18 or 21 to own a gun (still undecided on age) Ter Dec 2012 #22
I'd say start here PD Turk Dec 2012 #24
There's an incredible chasm between what I would support and what is realistic. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #25
Start with 3, 4, and 5 to see what happens... sadbear Dec 2012 #26
Bolt action rifles for the hunters and target shooters rustydog Dec 2012 #27
I don't know. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #28

maxsolomon

(33,894 posts)
1. too black or white
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:35 PM
Dec 2012

a "complete ban" of any type, let alone confiscation, is never ever going to happen.

and the term "assault gun" should be changed to "semi-automatic".

and banning of high-capacity magazines is not an option.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. I'm a gin distiller
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:41 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously, though, I would not be surprised if we extend the NICS regime to all firearms fairly soon

obamanut2012

(26,548 posts)
10. Fixing the typo!
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:48 PM
Dec 2012

It's always seemed odd to me long guns aren't NICSed.

We have Jim Crow-legislation pistol permits here, so no instanst NICS anyway.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Yeah, the Jim Crow legacy is one of the things that makes me nervous about gun control in general
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:51 PM
Dec 2012

I don't want to wind up back in a situation where marginalized groups are denied the right to bear arms.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Assault gun? What do you say to conservatives who legislate on things they don't know about?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:39 PM
Dec 2012

Think about that.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
5. Choice 7 with two caveats...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:42 PM
Dec 2012

1. Improve reporting of disqualifying events such as mental incompetence adjudications to the National Instant Check System (NICS), and

2. Make NICS available to unlicensed people so they have an effective way of verifying that a prospective buyer of a used firearm is not prohibited from owning it.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
6. I didn't find my exact choice on the list, but you have a good cross section
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:42 PM
Dec 2012

I don't favor confiscating all guns, but I certainly favor confiscation and destruction of high capacity magazines and assault-type, "machine guns", "semi-automatic" and any other name you want to give to weapons that can blast off 10 rounds in a couple of seconds. Yes, "criminals" might not turn them in. But with a carrot and stick approach, you can get most of them off the street. The carrot would be a substantial reward for each such weapon turned in, and the stick would be a no-nonsense mandatory hard time felony charge for anyone found in possession of the contraband after the amnesty date.

I also favor laws that force ALL sales to be transacted through licensed dealers, and I would be happy for the taxpayer to cover the processing cost. Private sales would be OK, but they would have to transact through the dealer who would be responsible for enforcing a waiting period, a full criminal check, and to do a ballistics test of the weapon, entering the ballistic fingerprint into a national database. I would think legitimate gun dealers would be strongly in favor of this. It would be good income and make their industry much more reputable.

Finally I favor laws that make it very clear that the registered owner is liable for ANYTHING that happens with the weapon unless the weapon is reported stolen. This is the old "personal accountability" thing the right-wingers always seem to be talking about. Well, if you have a gun and don't keep it locked up, you should be criminally responsible for any harm that is done with that gun. Eventually we should get to the point that gun owners carry gun liability insurance, just as car owners do.

I fully support RESPONSIBLE, reasonable gun ownership by law-abiding ADULTS.

obamanut2012

(26,548 posts)
11. Only full auto can shoot that quickly
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:51 PM
Dec 2012

They are highly regulated and have never been used in a shooting crime since they've been regulated (I stand corrected if anyone can find a link).

Semis have been around for over 100 years.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
19. I don't want to get lost in terminogy.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:05 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not expert and the distinction seems like nothing more than an attempt to obscure.

The issue is whether the weapons allows you to take out 5 or 10 people in a short period of time before anybody might have a chance to react. You tell me, can the things you call "semi-automatic" do that? Can they go through 10 rounds before anybody can see what is happening and make a response (retreat or try to overpower the shooter)?

And tell me, is there any sanctioned sport that depends on a firing rate of several rounds per second? I am not an expert, but I think some clay pigeon contests have two shots but part of the sport is re-cocking the second load. I'm sure I am mangling the terminology here. My point is I don't see how mowing down people, deer or clay with (essentially) machine gun performance is very sporting.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
21. Here ya go.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:25 PM
Dec 2012
On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison.


-http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

And another one in Ohio, I can't find the direct cite, however.


There were two legally-owned NFA weapons used in a murder, the rest of the crimes mostly involved transfer issues.
 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
7. None of the above
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:43 PM
Dec 2012

One firearm per person (over 18) per household. Must be a shotgun or rifle. No clips or semi auto. Handguns are illegal. For example a husband and wife or domestic partner or what have you could have one each. Also expanded registration hoops for people to jump through along with a waiting period.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
20. That is more severe than I would go. But I don't see why we limit it to a
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:09 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

"one size fits all" permit. If you drive an over-the-road truck, you must have a special license, lots of special training, and some very strong accountabilities including logs of all your driving.

I understand collecting. I collect musical instruments. Other people collect classic cars. I don't think gun collectors are inherently a hazard to society. But a person with 10 firearms should have to meet a much higher level of scrutiny because this really is the profile of many of these killers.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
23. It is easier for me to purchase a semi-automatic rifle than it is to get a Haz-Mat endorsement on my
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:34 PM
Dec 2012

CDL.

Or for that matter, a TWIC card, a real paperwork nightmare, and expensive on top of that.

http://www.tsa.gov/stakeholders/transportation-worker-identification-credential-twic%C2%AE

I also pay close to ten thousand dollars a year just for liability insurance for my rig, even though I have never had an insurance loss claimed against me.

And it costs me exactly *nothing* in registering fees to purchase a semi-automatic rifle, nor do I have to have to show proof of having any liability insurance for owning one.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. What slackmaster said in post #5.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:53 PM
Dec 2012

Waiting periods, though? Don't actually do anything..

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192946

The only result of the waiting period that was part of the brady bill between 1994 and 1998? A less than 1 per 100,000 rate drop in suicides in one group, 55 and older. No impact on homicide rates, or suicide rates generally.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
14. Why isn't there a step between all guns legal and current law?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:57 PM
Dec 2012

I think the law needs to be changed in some ways to protect CC in all states, but I don't think all guns should be legal.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
16. Safety training, improvement of NIC's and states records reporting...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:08 PM
Dec 2012

licensing, but only under the condition that they're "shall issue" and reciprocal/recognized in all 50 states.

By the book prosecution and sentencing (as in federal guidelines), for illegal possession by a felon, and/or use of a firearm during the commission of a felony.

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
18. I support the individual's right...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:10 PM
Dec 2012

...to free and unfettered access to those tools and technologies that enable them to most effectively and efficiently exercise their natural rights to bodily integrity and self defense.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
22. Either 18 or 21 to own a gun (still undecided on age)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:31 PM
Dec 2012

Other than that, I'd ease many restrictions. For example, NYC currently charges $340 for the registration fee, and $91.50 for a fingerprint fee. That's worse than the poll taxes in the past. I'm shocked no one has challenged it.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
24. I'd say start here
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:56 PM
Dec 2012

-subject the private sales of used firearms to the same background checks that dealers have to use. want to sell a gun? Take it to a licensed FFL dealer and pay a small fee for using the NICS system to facilitate the sale.

-strengthen the NICS system to better look for red flags such as violent mental health history etc.

-emphatically enforce existing laws regarding straw purchasers and make life a living hell for anybody who buys a gun for someone who is legally unable to buy it for themselves.

-legally require secure storage for guns and impose stiff penalties for those that don't follow good custody practices in keeping their weapons secure. This should be a no brainer for responsible gun owners, I think most of us get it but as we saw this week, apparently some don't. It's high time to write this one into law.

-end this ridiculous "war on drugs". It's gone on far too long and too many people have been gunned down over the black market it creates.

I believe in tightening up access to all kinds of guns to try and keep them out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them.

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
25. There's an incredible chasm between what I would support and what is realistic.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:15 AM
Dec 2012

I don't know what to choose.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
26. Start with 3, 4, and 5 to see what happens...
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:17 AM
Dec 2012

and if things remain fucked, move on to numbers 1 and 2.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
27. Bolt action rifles for the hunters and target shooters
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:17 AM
Dec 2012

revolvers for everryone else.

Home defense does not require semi automatic weapons...More guns is not the answer.

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