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LudwigPastorius

(12,275 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:23 PM Apr 15

Billionaires Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk Call To Eliminate Intellectual Property Rights for Creators


As artists fight to protect their works from being used to train AI models, Jack Dorsey wants to eliminate intellectual property (IP) laws altogether. Elon Musk agrees.

On Friday, the cofounder of X (then Twitter) and Block (then Square) posted on X, "delete all IP law." Elon Musk, the current leader of X, chimed in to comment, "I agree."

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Dorsey, Musk, and Altman's words underscore a common belief amongst tech entrepreneurs that copyright laws need to evolve to account for the potential of generative AI. Already, both OpenAI and Google have openly lobbied the U.S. government to allow AI models to train on protected works such as movies, articles, and music. They want such use to fall under the fair use legal doctrine, with OpenAI calling it a matter of "national security."

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"Intellectual property law is rooted in the U.S. Constitution as a tool to promote creativity, not suppress it. It ensures that those who contribute to cultural and scientific progress are recognized, protected, and compensated," said Atreya Mathur, director of Legal Research at the Center for Art Law, in an email to Mashable. "Elimination of such laws would ignore that very purpose and devalue the labor and rights of creators, including those whose work powers these technologies."


More here: https://mashable.com/article/jack-dorsey-elon-musk-ip-laws-artists-react

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Billionaires are parasites, feeding off of the work of others and undermining our Democracy with their obscene wealth.

Tax them out of existence!
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Billionaires Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk Call To Eliminate Intellectual Property Rights for Creators (Original Post) LudwigPastorius Apr 15 OP
Their goal is to make it easier for them to steal the creative innovations of others. John1956PA Apr 15 #1
i was just thinking thatt . take stuff that dont belong to u. AllaN01Bear Apr 15 #36
Definitely an excellent plan to destroy any incentive for creativity and innnovation. Trueblue Texan Apr 15 #51
They are Libertarians. LisaM Apr 16 #58
Billionaire sociopaths believe everything in the world belongs to them. Irish_Dem Apr 15 #2
says failures not capable of an original thought Marthe48 Apr 15 #3
Musk funded OPEN AI progressoid Apr 15 #4
It's a matter of national security to steal the labor/creation of another? Solly Mack Apr 15 #5
Does this mean that Mickey Mouse... Shipwack Apr 15 #6
Mickey Mouse is in the public domain since January of last year after being copyrighted for 95 years. Dave Bowman Apr 15 #39
Only the early, Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse is in the public domain. generalbetrayus Apr 15 #45
A new comedy team. Nt BootinUp Apr 15 #7
A lame version of Laurel and Hardy. Dave Bowman Apr 15 #40
Intellectual, but not contractual or physical property rights. Hmm. hay rick Apr 15 #8
...as a writer.... FUCK ELON FirstLight Apr 15 #9
This is completely insane angrychair Apr 15 #10
Yup...muskrat has done it all his life. Buy something, claim he designed it and when it comes time for fresh PortTack Apr 15 #27
These billionaires... ultralite001 Apr 15 #11
Greedy, selfish dirtbags. bronxiteforever Apr 15 #12
The right to steal JCMach1 Apr 15 #13
Along with their many other character flaws, these people are common thieves. Martin68 Apr 15 #14
machina economicus Be Leave On Apr 15 #15
Great blog post LudwigPastorius Apr 15 #31
That's 'cause these guys can't write anything but code. Joinfortmill Apr 15 #16
In that case make all their secret source code Klarkashton Apr 15 #17
jack dorsey? the founder of bluesky social media? THAT jack dorsey? niyad Apr 15 #18
The one and only. Dave Bowman Apr 15 #42
Wow, I guess I Won't Be joining bluesky, then. Fuck him and Eloon. electric_blue68 Apr 16 #56
When my friend joined bluesky, slightlv Apr 16 #62
Or billionaires could pay writers what they owe them Johonny Apr 15 #19
They wouldn't last a week on the street. Dave Bowman Apr 15 #43
I guess it'd be OK until someone stole a valuable piece of intellectual property from them. patphil Apr 15 #20
Why don't we save a step. Mr. Evil Apr 15 #21
"Don't make me pay for what I will monetize for me." Kid Berwyn Apr 15 #22
Mucus et al make intellectual property but theirs is protected as trade secrets. They don't have to publish it. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 15 #23
FUCK that. Instead, regulate the fuck out of AI. The continued lack of federal legislation is fucking absurd. Karasu Apr 15 #24
Imo now ai should be banished completely Meowmee Apr 15 #28
I wish. But there's no putting the genie back in the bottle now thanks to all these billionaire fucks forcing it on us Karasu Apr 15 #55
Pitch forks Iamscrewed Apr 15 #25
Of course elunatic who never did or invented anything himself Meowmee Apr 15 #26
That's communism for intellectual property. Software is intellectual property. bucolic_frolic Apr 15 #29
How about we do that for Tesla as well? David__77 Apr 15 #30
How do YOU spell robber baron? dchill Apr 15 #32
so when will they be releasing teh source code to their sites? moonshinegnomie Apr 15 #33
They should lead by example and give up rights for x.xom, twitter, and bluesky Renew Deal Apr 15 #34
Then the AI companies could be ripped as well ... TomWilm Apr 15 #35
We want to use your intelectual property for our profit. See, that's how it's supposed to work. Get with the program ... aggiesal Apr 15 #37
Eat the fucking rich, right fucking NOW. Maru Kitteh Apr 15 #38
There is no such thing as a good billionaire. Passages Apr 15 #41
Actually..yes there is! Governor JB Pritzker PortTack Apr 15 #44
Gov. Pritzker vetoes bill that would have required llinois warehouse workers to know their quotas Passages Apr 15 #47
Guess that would mean owners could finally hack their Teslas. n/t yowzayowzayowza Apr 15 #46
As someone whose family has been involved in copyright law for 1,500 years markodochartaigh Apr 15 #48
Musk is giving up all of Tesla & SpaceX's patents? RainCaster Apr 15 #49
Then it would follow that trademarks can no longer be violated, right? Trueblue Texan Apr 15 #50
Thieves rights, I tells ya! Thieves rights! n/t ReRe Apr 15 #52
No!!!! SheltieLover Apr 15 #53
Musk really has captured the spirit of Edison misanthrope Apr 15 #54
Ketamine is a hell of a drug Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 16 #57
If they want the knowledge of the experts to be reflected in their "AI" algorithms, then pay the creators for iluvtennis Apr 16 #59
Include ALL software, and that's fine. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 16 #60
Billionaires have no right to exist. No one needs that much money. OMGWTF Apr 16 #61

Trueblue Texan

(3,298 posts)
51. Definitely an excellent plan to destroy any incentive for creativity and innnovation.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:19 PM
Apr 15

I thought that was what capitalism was about. These guys aren’t capitalist? WTF?

LisaM

(29,121 posts)
58. They are Libertarians.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:39 AM
Apr 16

And they follow an Ayn Randian doctrine. I don't think enough people understand what a harmful belief system that is.

Shipwack

(2,621 posts)
6. Does this mean that Mickey Mouse...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Apr 15

...goes into the public domain?

Or does this only apply to "creators", not "publishers"?

🤔

generalbetrayus

(839 posts)
45. Only the early, Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse is in the public domain.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:48 PM
Apr 15

From the linked article:

But in January 2024, the copyright on Steamboat Willie officially expired, and Mickey Mouse is now officially in the public domain. This means that now anyone in the U.S. can use the Steamboat Willie version of the Mickey Mouse character without fear of copyright infringement. Copyright laws vary by country, so in some places Mickey remains protected.

Since the start of the year, a trailer for a Mickey Mouse horror film has been released while other digital creators have edited the footage from Steamboat Willie to make it sound as if Mickey is using profanity.

Nevertheless, Disney still retains some protections of the Mickey Mouse character. Versions of Mickey Mouse that were released after Steamboat Willie that feature his quintessential red shorts and big eyes remain protected.

hay rick

(8,647 posts)
8. Intellectual, but not contractual or physical property rights. Hmm.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:29 PM
Apr 15

Sounds like a slippery slope to me.

FirstLight

(14,995 posts)
9. ...as a writer.... FUCK ELON
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:39 PM
Apr 15


what sucks is there NO guardrails to prevent this from happening... Not with our democracy in the shitter...

angrychair

(10,556 posts)
10. This is completely insane
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:41 PM
Apr 15

The idea that billionaires want legitimize the stealing of the hard work of other people is totally a billionaire thing to do.

PortTack

(35,579 posts)
27. Yup...muskrat has done it all his life. Buy something, claim he designed it and when it comes time for fresh
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:43 PM
Apr 15

Ideas to bring buyers back, they have none. They certainly wouldn’t ever consider hiring creative ppl to design something new and innovative….so just take someone else’s work.

ultralite001

(1,565 posts)
11. These billionaires...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:44 PM
Apr 15

have no ideas of their own...

W/ dissolution of IP law, it's much less expensive for them to steal w/ impunity...

Klarkashton

(3,295 posts)
17. In that case make all their secret source code
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:15 PM
Apr 15

For all that shit open source. Including all the documentation.

Fuck those bastards.

slightlv

(5,407 posts)
62. When my friend joined bluesky,
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:11 PM
Apr 16

I told her not to get too attached. It was corporate owned and that it would show its true face eventually. I didn't think it would be so fast, but they evidently felt they got to a comfort zone of people and decided to push the limits. It never fails. They are incapable of acting in a society's best interests... only in the gimme gimme phase of childish inability of delayed gratification, among other defects.

I hadn't joined yet... this assures me I really don't need it.

Johonny

(23,431 posts)
19. Or billionaires could pay writers what they owe them
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:17 PM
Apr 15

Jesus Christ the sense of entitlement of these people.

I have an idea, let's steal all their money and make them poor. See if it works for them as they think it works for other people. Ass holes.

patphil

(7,720 posts)
20. I guess it'd be OK until someone stole a valuable piece of intellectual property from them.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:18 PM
Apr 15

Then it'd be a terrible violation of their creative endeavors.
Seriously, why would someone put years of hard work into a project, only to have it rendered valueless by people who found it easier to steal than to do the work themselves?

Just one more reminder of how little the super rich care about the rest of us.
These guys are the true parasites. All they want to do is take, take, take. They rarely give anything back. And even then it's just a ruse for them to set the stage for another round of taking.

Mr. Evil

(3,264 posts)
21. Why don't we save a step.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:20 PM
Apr 15

Let's just eliminate the parasitic billionaires. I mean, there's a nice place in El Salvador we can send them to. Warm climate, diet and weight conscious meals, breezy ocean air. I'm sure they'd learn to appreciate it. I know we certainly would.

Kid Berwyn

(20,096 posts)
22. "Don't make me pay for what I will monetize for me."
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:24 PM
Apr 15

That would take all the profit out of thievery.



Citizen, don’t you see the logic of welfare for the wealthy?

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,883 posts)
23. Mucus et al make intellectual property but theirs is protected as trade secrets. They don't have to publish it.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:30 PM
Apr 15

Artists and musicians are forced to publish by the nature of their works. Their work has no value unless published.

Mucus trade secrets are protected for example as computer code in cars. It is not published and they have protection against reverse engineering. Again they go with "rights for me and none for you. Haha!".

Mucus is so greedy.

Karasu

(1,003 posts)
24. FUCK that. Instead, regulate the fuck out of AI. The continued lack of federal legislation is fucking absurd.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:37 PM
Apr 15

Karasu

(1,003 posts)
55. I wish. But there's no putting the genie back in the bottle now thanks to all these billionaire fucks forcing it on us
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:13 PM
Apr 15

without our consent. Americans don't even have the ability to submit "opt-out of AI services" forms on fucking Facebook like the EU did, because they actually have their own specific, unifying AI Act, which has been pissing the techbros off. For me, it's a very strong reason to leave the country, and with each day there are less to stay.

bucolic_frolic

(49,978 posts)
29. That's communism for intellectual property. Software is intellectual property.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:46 PM
Apr 15

Coding would be publicly owned when created. So would books and music. No one would be paid for producing it. They could stay home and play videogames.

TomWilm

(1,902 posts)
35. Then the AI companies could be ripped as well ...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:04 PM
Apr 15

... and anybody could freely pirate Twitter, make a better interface and attract customers for the copy product.

aggiesal

(9,959 posts)
37. We want to use your intelectual property for our profit. See, that's how it's supposed to work. Get with the program ...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:20 PM
Apr 15

Do I need to add the sarcasm thingee?

Passages

(2,662 posts)
47. Gov. Pritzker vetoes bill that would have required llinois warehouse workers to know their quotas
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:01 PM
Apr 15

The bill passed the General Assembly with support from several Illinois labor unions

By Ben Szalinski
Wednesday, March 26, 2025
https://abc7chicago.com/post/governor-jb-pritzker-vetoes-bill-would-have-required-illinois-warehouse-workers-know-quotas/16084637/

markodochartaigh

(2,707 posts)
48. As someone whose family has been involved in copyright law for 1,500 years
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:23 PM
Apr 15

(as at least 10% of those with ancestors from Donegal can claim), I realize that it can be a bloody business. I hope that we can stop this thin end of the wedge from giving AI human rights like corporations have been.

RainCaster

(12,704 posts)
49. Musk is giving up all of Tesla & SpaceX's patents?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:46 PM
Apr 15

And Bezos is doing that for all the patents that AWS has?

Trueblue Texan

(3,298 posts)
50. Then it would follow that trademarks can no longer be violated, right?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:17 PM
Apr 15

Copyright and trademark are the same thing in different areas of creative products.

iluvtennis

(21,157 posts)
59. If they want the knowledge of the experts to be reflected in their "AI" algorithms, then pay the creators for
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:34 AM
Apr 16

the right to use their intellectual property.

Fk these fascists.

OMGWTF

(4,682 posts)
61. Billionaires have no right to exist. No one needs that much money.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:48 AM
Apr 16

Anything over $999,999,999.99 should be taxed at 100%.

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