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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:28 PM Dec 2012

A list of who/what was to blame for the Newtown massacre.

I've seen every single one of these in the media or online

And damn near every person that has offered up their 'cause' is sure that theirs
is correct, dammit, and that anyone that disagrees might just as well have killed those poor kids themselves:

The NRA
Wayne LaPierre
Every gun owner in the US
Gun Nuts
Guntards
The Second Amendment
Anybody who doesn't support immediate repeal of the Second Amendment
Assault Rifles
Assault Weapons
Extended magazines
Detachable magazines
AR-15s
Scary-looking guns
Video games
Violent video games
Popular culture
Violent media
Doomsday preppers
The shooter's mother
Lack of male role models
Feminized culture
Lack of prayer in schools
Lack of God in schools
Karma: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12311649
Lack of armed teachers
The US healthcare system in general
The US mental healthcare system in particular
Psychotropic drugs
Big Pharma

That's all I can think of at the moment- If you've run across any others,
please include a link to same in the comments

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A list of who/what was to blame for the Newtown massacre. (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 OP
All the weapons-related items can be folded into one. randome Dec 2012 #1
Found another 'cause': Atheists friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #2
Oops, forgot the Big Guy: God friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #3
Or complete lack of, according to Mike Huckabee. Initech Dec 2012 #39
James Dobson theorized it was legal abortion. A DUer complained it was Special Ed deficiencies nt riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #4
That thread was one of the worst. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #21
Special ed was at fault? The guy was 20, FFS- you can't keep adults in SE against their will friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #28
Here ya go proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #35
SE may be guilty of any number of sins, but hanging Sandy Hook on it is OTT. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #37
Everyone on Earth except the guy who did it slackmaster Dec 2012 #5
Thank you. I'd wondered how long it would take for someone to twig on that... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #6
If this wasn't DU I'd be surprised that nobody mentioned it before I did slackmaster Dec 2012 #7
I was wondering..n/t letemrot Dec 2012 #10
Fan of Ronald Reagan? The Link Dec 2012 #8
Not at all-actually, one would think he'd be more popular with you lot. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #11
You forgot homosexuals undeterred Dec 2012 #9
That dickhead Dobson said it. n/t customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #12
How about physical security at the school? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #13
Hippies, the Black Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, Patty Hearst LeftInTX Dec 2012 #14
I think you might have to include CT for making it difficult to commit an adult to a mental hospital LiberalArkie Dec 2012 #15
The US mental healthcare system in particular Iggy Dec 2012 #16
Repeal of the death penalty for children disrespecting their parents XemaSab Dec 2012 #17
Lots of responsible parties on that list... 99Forever Dec 2012 #18
That *was* covered- look at the first seven entries again: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #23
Ya can always tell when ya strike a nerve... 99Forever Dec 2012 #38
You left out gay marriage and abortion. yardwork Dec 2012 #19
Teachers and their unions proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #20
I have two arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #22
Partly covered- "Lack of armed teachers" was near the bottom of the OP friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #24
but original a DUer blamed a teacher with guns aikoaiko Dec 2012 #27
Good point, sorry. arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #29
Looks like I'm the first to mention Adam Lanza... reformist2 Dec 2012 #25
Don't forget his mama. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #26
Covered- "The shooter's mother" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #33
Hmmm everyone/thing except for him (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #30
Does someone have to be.. sendero Dec 2012 #31
Marijuana ErikJ Dec 2012 #32
Don't forget CT legalizing gay marriage (nt) Autumn Colors Dec 2012 #34
The 1968 Democratic National Convention friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #36
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. All the weapons-related items can be folded into one.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:31 PM
Dec 2012

I see four that we can do anything about.

* Easy availability of guns.
* A reverence for violence (Torture porn movies like Saw, immersive video games where the more eviscerated guts are shown, the better.)
* Inadequate monitoring of drug usage.
* Lack of adequate mental health resources.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
28. Special ed was at fault? The guy was 20, FFS- you can't keep adults in SE against their will
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:43 PM
Dec 2012

Got a link to this idiocy? I have a strong stomach...

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
9. You forgot homosexuals
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

and the homosexual agenda. There's a mandatory blame clause, but I'm sure somebody said it.


 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. How about physical security at the school?
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:58 PM
Dec 2012

I'm not referring to armed teachers/staff. I'm referring to how easily the gunman was able to force his way into the school, and enter unlocked classrooms. I think improvements can be made there, without taking on the "persona" of being a fortress.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
16. The US mental healthcare system in particular
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:06 PM
Dec 2012

This one has credibility-- and this can be traced right back to the conservative god: ronald reagan.

Almost ten years after Ronald Reagan left office as president, the legacy of his administration continues to be studied. What is almost indisputable is that the changes in public policy that were implemented during the 1980s were sweeping and marked a turning point in American domestic policy. Faced with increasing competition from overseas, American business found it necessary to alter the social contract. This would require a realignment of the political economy so as to weaken labor unions and the social safety net. In Reagan, the Right found a spokesman capable of aligning conservatives, centrists, and working class whites. With this coalition, Reagan was able to bring about a number of reactionary changes in public policy (Alford, 1988).

This paper provides an illustration of this co-optation by examining the policies regarding involuntary commitment of the mentally ill. The shifts in such policies were not the result of overt attempts at change, but rather part of an overall effort to realign the political economy to be more profitable for business. The overall result was that political discourse shifted from a focus on social policy to a focus on fiscal policy. As such, social programs that necessitated financial outlays on the part of the federal government were overlooked in favour of policies that seemed less costly.

Still, the administration did not, and perhaps could not, act in isolation and without public support. But they didn't have to. By the middle of the 1970s, there was a consensus among interested groups that reform of the Mental Health Care System was necessary. Lobbying on the part of special interest groups and a commitment on the part of President Jimmy Carter led to passage of the Mental Health Systems Act.


Along with this utter stupidity is the lack of interest of the deadbeats in congress on infrastructure spending-- to the point we now have major bridges collapsing and killing people-- the I-35 bridge in Minneaspolis.

So here we are-- over 300 MILLION people in our nation, and no real, significant mental health care program. We "can't afford it"... what a load of crap.


http://sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Lots of responsible parties on that list...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:24 PM
Dec 2012

.. but the actual reason it could happen wasn't listed. (you do understand the difference between having responsibility and taking the blame, right?

The ready availability of weapons to virtually anyone who decides to obtain one or many and use them to commit mass murder.

Imagine that.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
23. That *was* covered- look at the first seven entries again:
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:38 PM
Dec 2012
The NRA
Wayne LaPierre
Every gun owner in the US
Gun Nuts
Guntards
The Second Amendment
Anybody who doesn't support immediate repeal of the Second Amendment


There are plenty of people, here at DU and elsewhere, who blame one, several, or ALL of the
above for just that.

I suppose we should have been blaming the 'ready availability' of assault boxcutters for 9/11 all this time...

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
19. You left out gay marriage and abortion.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:26 PM
Dec 2012

Both have been blamed by several religious spokespeople who appear regularly as "expert guests" on mainstream media talk shows.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
27. but original a DUer blamed a teacher with guns
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:43 PM
Dec 2012

Based on misinformation and his rush to judgment about the mother being a teacher at the school.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
31. Does someone have to be..
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

... to blame? I don't think so. The shooter was clearly mentally ill and can only be blamed for this to a certain extent. All of the rest of it such as how the guns were secured and what role meds might have had is nothing but pure speculation.

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