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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. But we are told we cannot talk about issues right now because it's an election season.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:50 PM
Jan 2012

Actually, I think the reason they caved on that was not just because of the activism, but BECAUSE it is election season. The very best time to raise issues and get them to listen to the people.

What else can we do? Get them to start prosecuting the bankers who caused the financial meltdown. That's another issue that has huge public support.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
4. When I say "we" of course, I'm referring to a
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jan 2012

huge number of individuals and organizations across the Web. The problem is to come up with an issue simple enough to explain quickly and basic enough to attract most people. For example - "prosecuting bankers" may be too broad an issue. "Prosecuting X for breaking law Y " may do it, if we can solidly identify X and Y. (I'm uncertain whether any laws were actually broken!) "Bring back Glass Steagall" may be doable.

"Kill the Keystone" sounds doable. I know Obama has knocked it to the ground for now, but we need to be sure no zombie arises!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. I think the power to do this kind of thing is very real but the problem is getting enough people
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:05 PM
Jan 2012

interested in a specific issue. In the case of the internet the problem would hit all of us - so we had the numbers.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. I agree. And actually these two bills were not that understandable to a large number of
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jan 2012

people. Here on DU eg, threads about them dropped pretty quickly a few weeks ago.

What made it a success was, as you pointed out, the broad number of organizations who came together and the action they took to demonstrate what it would mean if they passed.

Regarding Wall Street. I think polls show that the bailouts were extremely unpopular also, and if you recall, there was a huge effort to stop the last one, which worked initially. Congress voted against it. We thought we won.

But, it was brought back for another vote and that time, it passed. We found out later why, Congress was threatened, according to Rep. Miller I believe, they were told that if they did not pass it there would be 'martial law'. When asked who made that threat, he said it was Henry Paulsen.

I think 'Wall Street Corruption' works for most people now. Then a huge campaign to pressure the US Attorneys, and it does seem to be working as at least 13 of them have now refused to make deals with the banks, to go ahead and start investigations.

The other action now in progress is to get an amendment to end Corporate Personhood. It is gathering support. Members of Congress are on board also. So imo, it is during election season when these issues need to be raised, once they are elected they seem to relax for a while.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
7. What we may be talking about is an on-line extension of Occupy Wallstreet.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jan 2012

BTW - I'd love to see an on-line groundswell to go after James O'keefe for voting fraud!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Yes, that would be great and maybe will happen.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jan 2012

As for James O'Keefe, it is amazing that he is still operating and has not landed in jail for parole violation at least. As for election fraud, if he had been from OWS eg, he'd be in jail already. I would love to see a groundswell to put a stop to his antics also.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
9. Revolution 2.0
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jan 2012

Revolution 2.0
How Power Of The People Is Greater Than The People In Power.
A Memoir
by Wael Ghonim

Just released last week, am reading it now.
Practically a handbook in how the Internet can change the world, and how one person can start a historical chain of events.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. There are so many causes.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jan 2012

Single payer health care
Banning nuclear energy
Preventing any oil pipeline between Canada and the Gulf
Banning deep water oil drilling

etc., etc., etc..

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
12. The protest on SOPA/PIPA seemed to work because it specified a vote on a bill.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jan 2012

That would let out complex areas such as deep water drilling and nuclear power, maybe even single payer. But I think we could all go viral on the Keystone.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. I hope so, especially since President Obama seems to be against
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jan 2012

it as well. It would help him fight the pressure from BIG OIL that he's getting.

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