Attacking the commander in chief in a time of war when we have troops in the field

[bluestateguy]

Disgusting. Beyond the pale. Despicable.

[dogknob]

1. I guess that's the point of perpetual war.

There will never be an "appropriate" time.

Perpetual war is disgusting, beyond the pale, and despicable.

[Thrill]

2. If it were a Republican President

Republicans would be crying all over the media.

Democrats are weak. And let them get away with it

[jody]

3. I assume you include Dubya along with Obama to be fair and balanced. That's

REALLY "Disgusting. Beyond the pale. Despicable."

[tammywammy]

5. +1 n/t

[emilyg]

18. +2

[cthulu2016]

4. unrec / If I wanted to think like a fascist I wouldn't be here.

[Bonobo]

7. I was going to say something similar, but there is a LARGER POINT to be made here.

And that is...

That in order to defeat the Republicans, in order to start winning, the "Democratic Party" has adopted many of the same positions as the Republicans.

This can be clearly seen with regards to the increase in the hawkishness of the Democrats. The killing of OBL and any number of "Al Qaeda number twos" as well as American Al Queda, etc. --these are proudly thrown in the collective faces of the Republicans in order to show that we are not as weak as they said we were. But in doing so, we unconsciously swallowed the Republican mindset.

It is also true with regards to issues of "smaller government" and "tax cutting" as well as the rhetoric surrounding public schools "improvements", welfare and any number of issues.

[cthulu2016]

8. All true.

[lonestarnot]

10. And you may as well bring up the advise of bluedog aides giving the old compromise advise.

But then no one said he had to take the advise. The OK box was checked by none other.

[onenote]

6. I've stopped being surprised by DUers who think hypocrisy is an excuse for hypocrisy

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. The current DU mindset could not be stated more clearly than you have just described it. n/t

[quinnox]

9. The repubs play by different rules when its a Democrat as president

then they don't have to show any respect to the office at all, and can behave like traitors. But if its a repub as president, its a whole new ball game and you are a damn traitor if you criticize the president during war.

[Bonobo]

11. Sadly so do the Dems and their supporters.

If you had told me 3 years ago that the man I contributed time and money to would support assassinations, indefinite detention, secret trials, unwarranted wiretaps, cuts to home heating subsidies for the poor, bailouts and indemnification for huge mortgage frauds, tripling of use of unmanned drones, etc, etc. etc. -I would not have believed you OR worked for him.

If you had told me he would give up the public option before negotiations had hardly begun or that he would come out an jail and prosecute more people for petty marijuana offenses, or that college loans would become harder to get, I would not have believed you OR worked for him.

If you had told me that now Dems would be championing how strong our guy is in the "War against Terror", I would have... well you know.

[Nye Bevan]

12. Yes. Elections should be suspended during times of war (nt)

[Yo_Mama]

14. Get a grip and think

Would you have wanted Obama not to be able to voice his opinions on tactics, etc, re Bush's conduct?

Should Kerry in 2004 not have been able to voice anything but support for Bush's military ventures?

What you are advocating is a recipe for perpetual war if it can be used to immunize the Executive from criticism. We need more criticism of wars, not less.

[bluestateguy]

15. I guess I have to say now that I was using 2000's era language as satire

Such remarks were common well into the 2000's.

[riderinthestorm]

19. DU has become this fractured place so please speak clearly, with a sarcasm tag or not

What exactly are you saying? Because obviously it's not obvious.

[TheKentuckian]

16. Mimicking lame brained, fascist, god-king nonsense is a certain path to failure

You arrive in a world of shit on or about the first step.

[RZM]

17. The president is the president 24/7

He's fair game at all times, troops in the field or not. If you didn't like the right saying this during Bush, you probably shouldn't be saying it now. I didn't think the president was off limits then and I don't think he is now either.

And I don't really criticize Obama very much. But I don't begrudge people who do. He's on top so he's going to get criticism. That's the way the game goes.