General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEd Schultz: "This Is A Big Win For The Democrats"
"The middle class tax cuts are protected, the big 3 (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security) are protected, the wealthiest Americans are going to pay more"....."To go from $250,000 to $400,000, Liberals need to realize that is a small move"
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)back in the day
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"But, but, I'm speculating that we'll be in a worse position next time!!!!"
It's a pretty good agreement. Not perfect, but only the fevered dreams of our pseudos ever is.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)but many seem to be clueless in that regard.
Sure, a pretty good agreement. We kept 90% of the Bush tax cuts - just like I feared.
But what the heck, it's not like we could have gotten 0% without Republican help.
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Negotiations re: debt ceiling, military cuts and social programs. That'll end well...
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)This is no way to run a country, a business, or even a household.
napi21
(45,806 posts)fight comes to the floor. That's March. Obama said he will NOT negotiate on the raising of the ceiling, and I believe him. I''m fairly sure that most of the Pubs will recognize that they were blamed for destroying the US credit rating last year, and I don't think they 'll vote for that again.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)I thought I was alone in not understanding what the big deal is going from 250K to 400/450K in the grand scheme of things.
Remember, this is the GOP working on this deal to increase taxes. Talk about hell freezing over!!!!!!
That alone is a huge victory for the President.
We need to step back and look at the forest instead of the trees. Look how far Obama has moved the GOP! This is actually amazing!
Remember, Clinton's tax increase passed the Senate without 1 GOP vote in 1993! Many believe this is what led to the huge GOP gains in 1994. Now Obama will put the Clinton taxes back in place with bi-partisan support. And he did it under much more partisan circumstances.
He is going to go down as an all time great President!
PennsylvaniaMatt
(966 posts)Some of the liberals that are criticizing President Obama now will praise him in a few years!
Cha
(296,780 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,833 posts)...the deal will be to LOWER taxes, not raise them.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)going from someone making $16,666 a MONTH to someone making $33,333 a month seems like a pretty big step back..
but hey,
at least the payroll tax is going to go up temporarily and fund SS for the next two months! lmao
while I dont think the payroll tax should be at the level its going to be at, it needs to be raised from its now former cut rate
kinda wish the estate tax had been a tad bit higher..
could have been worse over all
but again...
i , like others, had causes we championed before the election.. and just because president obama got re-elected doesnt mean that stops.
to many people are quick to call it whining.
no, its called being passionate about what you believe in.
DreWId
(78 posts)Just as a frame of reference, in 1993 I was 9 years old. That's now 20 years ago.
DMacTX
(301 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,833 posts)...so he can be sure to tell us that in a couple of months when the temporary delay to the sequestration / debt ceiling issue ends and it's time to pay the piper and we have to negotiate with the Republicans again, this time with no leverage on the tax side of things. If you thought the Republicans were unruly now, just wait until you have to negotiate them with no leverage and them claiming that this sad tax deal was them compromising and therefore the Democrats have to give up even more in the way of spending cuts.
DMacTX
(301 posts)The GOP bastards held unemployment to hostage this time, and Obama had to ensure that was saved.
That would not be a threat in 2 months.
Same with EIC etc
The GOP bastards still have plenty to hold hostage the next go-around, namely all the "entitlements" they have been craving to cut this whole time.
What do the Democrats have to "hold hostage" when these same talks start up again in two months?
reACTIONary
(5,766 posts)The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending with spending on wars exempt and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/14/the-sequester-explained/
jillan
(39,451 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Sounds like a pretty decent job to me.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)sellitman
(11,605 posts)Should Dems go out and vote now?
Ed can kiss my.....
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)in New York, Boston, San Francisco or Los Angeles, 250K a year for an average family of 4 is not rich.
400/450k is a much easier sale for Dems to make to the American people. And it still keeps all of Obama's core principles in place.
I think this is a much better deal for us.
TiberiusB
(485 posts)Unless you want to live in Bel Air, there is virtually no where in the country that 250k isn't way beyond middle class and 400/450k isn't essentially rich, though not massively so. A million every 5 years is middle class? or 2/2.25 million? You have got to be kidding. The median income in the U.S. is something like 43k and has actually gone down over the past few years, despite the "recovery". I happen to be the dad 1/4 of a family of 4 and we survive on a combined income of about 80k. We have lived in Southern California (Castaic and Palms in L.A.) and New York. I lived the first 24 years of my life in Massachusetts. If you have it in your head that you absolutely shouldn't have to live within your means, then yes, 250k is going to be hard to live on in some cities. For those people that understand the word "commute," it's not a problem.
Obama's 250k ceiling was a ridiculous number to start with and virtually guaranteed we were going to wind up with something worse, but that has always been his style, so it's clearly a feature, not a bug.
Cha
(296,780 posts)✔@TheFix I said this is Joe Biden and Im your buddy. -- Joe Biden on what he told Senate Democrats in cliff meeting per @edatpost. So good.
PennsylvaniaMatt
(966 posts)He is great!
Cha
(296,780 posts)Ed Schultz
@WeGotEd Taxes on the wealthy going up ! 39.6 percent is fixed...done...permanent.. Campaign promise kept !
Ed Schultz
@WeGotEd The Big Three protected ! Campaign promise kept !
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Jesus.
Hi, I'm Will.
Happy New Year.
Cha
(296,780 posts)I suppose I'm an addict.
Happy New Year, Will
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Sorry... we need real progressive/Liberal/democrats... just like in FDR times....
CheapShotArtist
(333 posts)than to get none at all.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)are probably bigger than my annual income.
So I am not surprised that he is not on my side.
Hmm, he made $10.5 million in 2011, and he's not upset about Obama's deal to cut taxes for rich people.
Quelle surprise.
His net worth is $50 million.
Doubtless he speaks for the bottom 40%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz
Middle class tax cuts. What the fuck does he know about the middle class? $250,000 probably looks like poverty to him.
oxymoron
(4,053 posts)TiberiusB
(485 posts)We will lose much, much more in revenue from the estate tax "hike" than the new income tax ceiling.
And since these new changes are permanent, there is no leverage in 2 months when we start this all again!
Get ready for chained CPI part deux...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)PennsylvaniaMatt
(966 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Just kidding.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Holy cow.
judesedit
(4,437 posts)thinking the same thing and got an even better deal. He is very shrewd indeed. He's no pushover. And one has to remember he is the President of everyone in this country. It is only fair to consider the opposing side's opinion...even if it is negated in the end after much debate. The final outcome should benefit the great majority if possible. Then we can gripe all we want. None of us get everything we want. It's called compromising.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)No one here is happy... no matter what negotiation is made. $250K.....$400K....$1M.
I, personally, am sick to death of the negotiations. These are NOT negotiations. They are nothing more than bribes for one or the other party. "I'll give you this if you give me that!" Screw the American Citizen.
I'm sick of our American politics. Our officials get elected for the sole purpose of enriching themselves and to keep themselves in office to further enrich themselves whether we like it or not.
Maybe my years living in DC have jaded me. But. I don't see our government as anything other than a black hole that sucks the life from anyone or anything nearby in order to sustain and increase its deplorable grip on our lives.
It is a sorry, sorry state wherein we live.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...and to all the Ed Schultz haters, I like him.
He has a spine.
juajen
(8,515 posts)I just don't get it. Is it because he is actually making money doing his job? Are we that petty now?
Sparky 1
(400 posts)become. I think his heart is in the right place, and he definitely champions working folks and unions. I think he's heard a lot of personal stories from a lot of good Dems who are suffering and fed up.
We didn't get everything we wanted, but close.
The best news is so far is the Big Three (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security) are safe. Plus the folks on UI bennies right now are undoubtedly relieved that their kids won't go hungry. That was a big !WHEW!
CranialRectaLoopback
(123 posts)For 600 Billion you get to use the debt ceiling to bludgeon me on "The Big 3".
DEAL!!!!!!
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Ed has sold out and stabbed us in the back posts.
CheapShotArtist
(333 posts)Check out a few of the above posts.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)How depressing would that be for the next 4 years?
Kablooie
(18,605 posts)That the House still might not pass it.
They have to get all the Dems and 25 Pubs to vote for it.
Even though it is in theory voting to lower some taxes it won't lower them for the rich so there still could be a large faction that refuses to accept it.
Another concern is that Boehner might not agree with it or is pressured by the Tealiban and will demand changes before he puts it up for a vote.
He has shown often that he is nothing but a marionette for the Tealiban to play with.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)There was a chance of none at all.
Huh? If we did nothing, taxes would go back to the Clinton rates for everyone. Or do you mean Obama could have done worse?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Two progressive I trust supporting this makes me feel better about it. I thought it was a good deal until I saw how much revenue would be lost from the estate tax concession but overall not a terrible deal.
LadyBirdJohnson
(17 posts)Happy New Year my dears, just made it in from watch meeting service at church.
Ed is the protector of the Middle Class. He has taken President Obama to task on more than one occasion. If he likes it, I love it.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)than I am with inheritance and capital gains taxes. As long as those went up, I'll call a broadening of cuts a win.
Revolutionary Girl
(90 posts)if Ed likes it, it's got to be alright. He wouldn't hesitate to let us know, in no uncertain terms, if he thought it wasn't good enough.