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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:30 PM Jan 2013

Robert Reich: Medicare isn't the problem. It may be the solution.

The Hoax of Entitlement Reform

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Medicare isn't the problem. It may be the solution.

"Entitlement reform" sounds like a noble endeavor. But it has little or nothing to do with reducing future budget deficits.

Taming future deficits requires three steps having nothing to do with entitlements: Limiting the growth of overall healthcare costs, cutting our bloated military, and ending corporate welfare (tax breaks and subsidies targeted to particular firms and industries).

Obsessing about "entitlement reform" only serves to distract us from these more important endeavors.

much more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/entitlement-reform_b_2421991.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Robert Reich: Medicare isn't the problem. It may be the solution. (Original Post) kpete Jan 2013 OP
For Medicare and health care in general: truebluegreen Jan 2013 #1
This is the part that shows our compassion-vs-profits dotymed Jan 2013 #26
I suppose I should have said, truebluegreen Jan 2013 #27
That is why it is so hard to find a Dr. willing to dotymed Jan 2013 #31
Um, I'm confused. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #32
IDK what is so confusing... dotymed Jan 2013 #37
Medicare-for-All is the BEST and ONLY AFFORDABLE solution! Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #2
We're on that path, and probably will get there in the next 15 years. Kennah Jan 2013 #4
We've gone from considering a MC buy-in option to debating whether to raise the MC age to 67... Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #6
You are of course correct Kennah Jan 2013 #8
I can see John2 Jan 2013 #22
Citizen's United + mandatory private insurance = plenty of your own money says you're wrong. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #12
Obamacare = Corporate Welfare Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #14
+100 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #28
It really is jsr Jan 2013 #23
K&R abelenkpe Jan 2013 #3
That would be great! JDPriestly Jan 2013 #5
But then you would be taxed on income you did not get Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #7
By the same reasoning, your paycheck rises not because you do more work JDPriestly Jan 2013 #10
Income taxes are inflation-indexed Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #36
No. Capital gains should be taxed as regular income. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #15
Amen. daleanime Jan 2013 #19
The first $250K of home sale capital gains is tax exempt, $500K is you're married filing jointly n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #34
How about paying capital income only on sale of SECOND homes? Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #20
Might work. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #29
K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #9
I can't agree with this more! I wonder WHY it's not more obvious to others. nt patrice Jan 2013 #11
WHY in two easy steps. hay rick Jan 2013 #13
I'd say people are being PAID to keep feeding corporations socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #25
+1 MissMarple Jan 2013 #16
tag leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #17
That's one of the reasons I like Robert Reich... kentuck Jan 2013 #18
What's sad is that his position is considered "out of the box". gkhouston Jan 2013 #21
Exactly! Skidmore Jan 2013 #24
I read a piece months ago about how much Medicare and Medicaid have contributed to the recovery underpants Jan 2013 #30
just had surgery. the anesthesiologist alone was $2,000. spanone Jan 2013 #33
Great article! Quantess Jan 2013 #35
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
1. For Medicare and health care in general:
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jan 2013

everybody in, everybody pays. Of course, those that wish to can have their own insurance as well.

Huge patient pool, most of them much healthier than current enrollees; huge bargaining power; and the lowest overhead in the business.



dotymed

(5,610 posts)
26. This is the part that shows our compassion-vs-profits
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jan 2013

Medicare for all is great but IMO should not be profit motivated.

"and the lowest overhead in the business."

suffering and or death, should not be a business. I do not think that you are advocating this but in America, most have the profit mindset. Some things should not be profited from. Health insurance is wrong.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
27. I suppose I should have said,
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jan 2013

"lowest administrative costs."

I don't regard Medicare as a "business." It's a government program that is specifically NOT profit-motivated and should be available to everyone.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
32. Um, I'm confused.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jan 2013

You think the problem with our medical system is its profit motive AND you think Medicare doesn't pay doctors enough?



dotymed

(5,610 posts)
37. IDK what is so confusing...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jan 2013

I don't think that medicare pays Dr.'s too little, but they do. Especially compared to non-medicare payments.
Absolutely the for profit system of health care is problematic. That is why the other first world nations provide health care for it's citizens.
Their Dr.'s are paid handsomely. A government salary. Dr.'s in Great Britain for instance, make very good salaries, are some of the "top earners" and have a much better outcome than our (U.S.) health care system. They may not be getting wealthy like the banksters, but they are humanitarians being well compensated.
On "60 minutes" (I think) they showed the Dr.'s in G.B. They lived good lives, had great homes, vehicles, etc..and they were doing a job they loved. Not for the money but to help people.
In America we have insurance companies who must make huge profits and many Dr.'s that have gotten into their profession because of the money, not the people. Not all American Dr.'s are this way, thank God.
True blue green is the quest for for many capitalists but many are more interested in humanity.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
6. We've gone from considering a MC buy-in option to debating whether to raise the MC age to 67...
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jan 2013



...in a little less than 3 years.


We are now on the verge of seriously considering a plan that would be a huge move in exactly the opposite direction from what is best.


And it is not just Republicans promoting this, but Democrats such as Ed Rendell.


It appears it will not be an easy route.









Kennah

(14,256 posts)
8. You are of course correct
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jan 2013

ACA wasn't anywhere near ideal, and a lot of ill effects continue to surface. That said, I still think it was a good step in the proper direction.

On MC and raising the age, I continue to toss up my hands and wonder aloud, "WTF?!"

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
22. I can see
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jan 2013

right through Ed Rendell. I just have a good feel for people. He is about money. He will sell his soul to the highest bidder. All you have to do is look into his financial background and who pays his salary. Most of these politicians are the same. And believe this or not, but I find many people today in the Health professions are about profits now before their vowel to cure and help sick. A lot of people today got into it because of the money. A decent salary is not good enough now a days.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
3. K&R
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jan 2013

We need to end corporate welfare and tax all dollars the same. Capital Gains and dividends should be taxed at the same rate as income.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. That would be great!
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jan 2013

If I have a house and I sell it, I have earned income. Why should someone who works for years to make the money I make just selling my house have to pay taxes on his income earned from work if I don't have to pay it on a house when I sell it.

The capital gains tax breaks on the sale of a home should not exist.

I think that tax breaks -- deductions -- should continue for the interest on the first home that someone buys and lives in but should not continue for the capital gains income when a property is sold.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
7. But then you would be taxed on income you did not get
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:48 AM
Jan 2013

If you live in a house for 20 years, and then sell it, inflation will generally assure that you have a hefty theoretical "profit".

But if you sell it because you need/want to move to another place, you may well find that a new comparable home costs even more than the price you got for the home you just sold. So in effect, selling your home has cost you a great deal of money if you had to pay capital gains on what is really inflation.

Inflation at even 2% a year (the Fed's long term goal) ensures that assets you have for a long time will rise in dollar value, even if the comparable value hasn't changed.

I mean think about it. Suppose a couple bought a home 30 years ago for $60,000, maintained it, paid down the mortgage, and now they are retiring and want to move south to retire. Well, the home they are looking at in AZ costs $200,000, although it is no palace. They can sell their current home for $270,000, leaving them capital "gains" of $210,000. Income that year is $50,000. With the exclusion, that moves their income into the "rich" bracket, so by your theory and Obama's recommended rates, they'd pay 35% on some of the house money. But even 28% leaves they paying taxes of $58,800 on the home sale.

I don't know why anyone would ever buy a home except for short-term speculation if they were going to be taxed like this. It's an utter loser - you wind up so much worse off than you would be if you had rented.

In the long run, lower capital gains taxes for the long term capital gains bring in more tax revenue, not less, because assets that would be unsaleable start changing hands.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. By the same reasoning, your paycheck rises not because you do more work
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jan 2013

but because you get raises to match inflation. You still have to pay taxes on the increase.

Sadly, wage increases barely keep up with inflation. Corporations eat the increased profits from technological improvements. Workers generally don't get a share of those.

If your neighborhood improves or becomes a more desirable place to live, the value of your house increases and that is no more inflation than are the increased profits a corporation receives by saving labor costs or finding a cheaper alternative for an important natural resource.

We should pay taxes on capital gains no matter what the source.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
36. Income taxes are inflation-indexed
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

for that very reason. Otherwise we'd ALL be paying the top rates!

The problem is the way that capital gains are taxed. If you adjusted your original investment to match a comparable asset now, or even indexed it for inflation, then you would actually be taxing income. Without that, you are taxing inflation, which leaves people having less after paying taxes then they did originally.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
15. No. Capital gains should be taxed as regular income.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jan 2013

If they want to add in an exemption for home sales valued below a certain amount -- say a couple hundred thousand -- okay, but other than that no way.

Capital gains are INCOME and should be taxed as such.

hay rick

(7,605 posts)
13. WHY in two easy steps.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jan 2013

1. Turn on the news- any network.
2. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT hold your breath until you hear "health care costs" mentioned as a cause of federal deficits or "REDUCING health care costs" as an alternative to entitlement reform.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
25. I'd say people are being PAID to keep feeding corporations
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jan 2013

How else can Lyan Ryan say they'll take 713B
in savings and give it to the wealthy?

They can't possibly still believe in trickle-down...

And then we have the idiotd in the middle class who still vote to
elect Republicants.

We need to outlaw special interest groups and lobbying
and maybe prosecute a few members of congress for taking bribes.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
21. What's sad is that his position is considered "out of the box".
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jan 2013

That wasn't meant as an attack on you, but rather on the Very Serious People.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
30. I read a piece months ago about how much Medicare and Medicaid have contributed to the recovery
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jan 2013

Can't remember who wrote it

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