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"I don't know. I just couldn't do it," Mohammed said, recovering at his Tampa home two days after the attack. "I couldn't blow this guy away for something he could change later in life. I'm not going to decide this man's fate."
The story is a bizarre, hard-to-reconcile mixture of both right and wrong. The genesis of the attack is something very, very far into the "wrong" column, and when coupled with the recent death of Sunando Sen in New York City, it illustrates just how terrifying America can still be for anyone that even in the vaguest terms codes to the ignorant as "Muslim."
Investigators had released surveillance video of the shooting and photographs of the suspect to the media Thursday. In the video, from Walmart in Lutz, a man deputies say is Quinnell approaches the couple from behind as they walk into the store about 3 a.m. Wednesday. He asked Mohammed if he was Muslim or from the Middle East, according to the Pasco County Sheriff's Office. Mohammed said no, but, authorities said, Quinnell shot him at close range with a gas-propelled pellet gun while saying "n- with a white girl."
Like Sen, Mohammed is not Muslim. Neither were from the Middle East Sen was born in India; Mohammed was born in Trinidad and raised in Tampa. That didn't matter to Quinnell, who told police that "they're all the same" after being informed that Mohammed isn't Muslim. It also didn't matter to Erika Menendez, the woman who murdered Sen and used "Muslim" and "Hindu" as interchangeable terms in her statements to police. But an unexpected part of the story is that in Quinnell's case the system worked, at least as much as it can under current law.
http://gawker.com/5973439/armed-hate-crime-victim-decides-not-to-shoot-attacker
What a lucky asshole.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)against some pinhead is the best way to keep the upper hand forever. Not only is that little prick still alive, he owes his life to his target.
JI7
(89,247 posts)about when they are pulled over driving .
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Assuming I was in the same situation. I don't carry and never served, so I'm playing armchair quarterback here. But there's no way to tell at the moment of attack if it's a pellet gun or a firearm. And with adrenaline and fight-or-flight kicking in, I probably wouldn't have been able to tell if it was pellets or bullets hitting me in my vital areas.
The problem that Mr. Mohammed has to resolve now is "should he continue to carry?" At the moment of assault, he failed to act appropriately, which is why he got the permit and the gun in the first place.
If he can't bring himself to use the gun, that's fine. It's his choice. But he should then leave the gun home.
Because he didn't shoot the asshole and thus exercised sound judgment (IN HIS OWN OPINION) he shouldn't tote? Does not an armed society make a polite society?
I only wish George Zimmerman had made the same choice Mr. Mohammed did.
JI7
(89,247 posts)while Zimmerman and most other gun nuts do so because they want to kill someone. and look for any chance to do so as Zimmerman did.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...that he bought the gun because of burglaries in his neighborhood. He profiled Martin as a burglar as part of his perceived neighborhood watch role.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Nothing he has said is remotely credible.
I think he fantasized about killing someone, it's quite consistent with the persona we have seen from him.
Likewise the guy that blew away the black teen over the loud music.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)But the fact is he was being shot, and his gun never left his holster. He was carrying for personal protection, and yet after being fired upon by an angry racist with a gun, his gun never left his holster.
I'm not saying that he should have or would have shot him, but his training and reflex should have had him drawing the gun while he took stock of the situation.
Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...Mr. Mohammed probably believed that pulling his gun put him in more danger. If he had pulled his gun, someone might have ended up dead. How do you think this racist scumbag would have reacted if Mr. Mohammed had pulled the gun on him? He took stock of the situation and decided his gun was not the appropriate resolution to the situation. Very often guns escalate situations and bring about a much more horrific result that would have occurred otherwise - this is borne out in a myriad of statistical categories as I'm sure you're well aware.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)It indicated that he just couldn't use the gun, presumably on another person. Which is my point about him needing to look inside of himself to see if he should continue to carry concealed. Something I'm sure you can support.
I kinda doubt he really took stock of the situation, but that's me just guessing. I think he choked. I think he couldn't believe, deep down, that his life was really in danger.
I have mixed feelings on the "escalation" thing, because we also have to consider "justice" or "fairness" as well.
If you were attacked (say, because of your race), and you did not have means to defend yourself, then you get beaten and injured.
If you were attacked, but did have a weapon that you draw and use, then you are fine but your attacker is dead. So we have here a "much more horrific result", because instead of an injured person we have a dead one.
However, in one situation, the innocent person is badly injured while the violent attacker is uninjured. This is obviously unjust. In another situation, the innocent person is uninjured while the violent attacker is dead. This is obviously just and fair.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.
As to the rest of your argument, now we're really reading tea leaves and I could post statistics on domestic violence and guns but I think you're already familiar with that facet of the "escalation" factor.
Bottom-line: the statistics bear it out - less guns means less gun violence.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)So obviously not a firearm that he didn't feel justified. That's another "tea leaf" thing, I guess.
He still could have been seriously injured, though... "you'll shoot your eye out" syndrome. And 20 shots is a lot of shots!
Maybe he meant he couldn't shoot the guy while the asshole was running away, which is a good thing, IMO.
JI7
(89,247 posts)having killed the guy who did not kill him ?
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Of course, those are also dangerous, even if they are rarely lethal. The racist cumstain did not kill him, but he was trying to injure Mohammed, who could have easily lost an eye in this attack.
Obviously, he was not required to draw and/or shoot. But drawing and/or shooting on the guy shooting at him would be entirely legal.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)concerned about 'legality' he was concerned about the 'morality' of shooting someone who was already running away. Since he was attacked from behind, he most likely had not time to draw his gun BEFORE he was hit and by then, he knew the gun was a pellet gun and the cowardly moron was running away. He is clearly a level-headed individual who saved himself a whole lot of legal trouble and is not responsible for the death of another human being, scumbag or not.
Strength is not in reacting with anger and without thinking. This is one strong human being, able to remain calm and assess a situation correctly even when under attack. That takes guts, intelligence and a whole lot of strength.
Fortunately for the coward who attacked him, he was not a cowardly nut case like Zimmerman who is incapable of thinking and assessing correctly a situation like this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Until you are faced with it. This is not an altogether unusual reaction. This is why the army and the police train.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I've read that green soldiers, in their first combat experience, will generally not aim at attacking enemy soldiers because they cannot overcome the natural inclination to not kill. And this is with training!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)When I see someone training on targets that resemble people, I see someone ready to kill without a lot of thought -- just a reaction based upon their training.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As the army and police have found.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)I think he disagrees with you.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That the man who was packing for real "lost his nerve."
Most who talk the tough talk will not acknowledge a simple fact. You will not know how you will react until faced with it.
This is the reason police and military train, and relentlessly so.
This is also why many gun owners have their guns taken away and used against them.
This racist guy is damn lucky though. So is Mr. Mohammed.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Got stats on that?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...which are largely borne out in the limited statistical analysis we do have. So if your position is so supported by the facts why does the NRA and their cronies keep us from getting them?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)God knows he's got plenty of it, and he hates guns in the hands of civilians he doesn't like...
Skittles
(153,150 posts)are you for real?
friendly_iconoclast
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So why hasn't he?
Skittles
(153,150 posts)you are sad!!!
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)you are boring me now; done here
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I was looking forward how you were going to dodge having to answer the question.
Sleep well you snake.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with absolute accuracy and saw that there was no need to use his gun. He apparently is a person who can think quickly and saw no need to shoot a coward in the back as he ran away plus realizing it was a pellet gun and to use a deadly weapon against a pellet gun, he decided, was not an appropriate reaction. Too bad more people are not that fast on their feet, with the strong character he displayed.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)a permanent limp is a good healthy reminder to not shoot innocent people
defacto7
(13,485 posts)A permanent limp is a life long reminder of pain brought on by someone they hate. To some that would compel them to use the real thing next time and make it count, maybe on many.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Several major arteries are in the leg. There is no such thing as shooting to wound.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Police aim for center mass for a reason, it's to try and avoid missing the target and hitting an innocent bystander.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's fucking weird to see "progressives" on DU posturing about how they would have busted a cap.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)If one is in a situation that a gun is needed to defend yourself that means your life is in danger; a wounded attacker is still a danger and threat.
But that is the way I was trained to use weapons, if you take it out of the holster to defend yourself you are going to use it.
Besides if some one shot me and did not kill me, I would hunt them down and well, you get the picture.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from this man, who is clearly a very fast thinker, a person of extremely strong character, who was able to correctly assess a situation fast, conclude the situation didn't call for a shooting, and saved himself years of legal wrangling not to mention fees. He may also have accomplished something far more important than 'hunting down and killing' someone, which is pretty easy to do, he may have converted a few haters.
He certainly proved all the haters wrong, he is not in trouble, he is not badly hurt, and the coward with the hate in his heart and the pellet gun will go to jail and will have plenty of time to figure out who was the superior human being in that incident.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)And that is fine and all he did was confirm that he does not really need a gun.
If he is not going to use it he might as well get rid of it.
IMHO he got lucky, very lucky.