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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy paycheck went down to 50 dollars
Less and it was only for few days of 2013. Does this means it will be much less by when I get paid again on Jan 18?
I understand my social security contribution is not a tax but why we ( the working class) must sacrifice all while the higher income earners don't?
Even someone making less than me ( around 20k) will pay more ( around 1.6) than domeone making 400k.
We need cash on hand more. We drive the economy why are we being punished by Obama and the republican congress?
Explain PLEASE!!!
DJ13
(23,671 posts)LukeFL
(594 posts)Errors if you wish but my worries and my question still stand.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)There seems an unending supply of people who are concerned, and thats concerning me.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Obama know of our concerns.
theKed
(1,235 posts)We'll pass it along.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....and yes, I'm sure the President is aware of the concerns of all Americans who understand that the two-year 2% tax holiday is over, and that full funding to Social Security has been restored. You should be happy about that.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Limpballs and some goon from the Washington Times beat ya to it.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)Your taxes went up on the full amount of hours worked for the entire pay period, only since it ended in 2013 is the entirety of it taxed at the higher levels.
So your subsequent paychecks should only be down 50 dollars as well.
We need to fully fund Social Security, the payroll tax holiday was a bad idea to begin with.
(Doesn't mean we can't lift the ceiling and make the rich pay their fair share as well.)
LukeFL
(594 posts)sS needs to be funded and I don't mind contributing my share. 50 dollars for me is a lot ( it will be 100 dollars a month) but I understand needs to be done.
I do wish they raise the contribution to the higher earners as well.
Thank you!!
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)have been shrinking faster and faster for most people.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,928 posts)sounds like the daily parade of trolls on a short-ass march from registration to PPR that's been winding its way through DU recently.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Freddie
(9,259 posts)Does not matter what worked time the check covered.
LukeFL
(594 posts)That.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)not only for the days in the check for 2013.
It's based on when the check is given (year 2013), not based on when the days were worked.
So, if you just now got a full paycheck then the deductions should be the same amount in your next check if you work the same days/hours.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)pay amounts in one pay period. If you look, it will show the dates of the payroll period, then if your company is big enough, will show two different FICA amounts on the deductions.
Check date makes no difference - it the dates/year the wages were earned. Hopefully all software has been updated to reflect the proper deduction amount for FICA.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
LukeFL
(594 posts)And that you are tired of explaining. Thank God others did.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Selatius
(20,441 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)It could be 6% or 4%. There's nothing magic in the number. I'm pissed that it went back up, since that hits the middle class right in the paycheck. It's an "anti-stimulus."
And please don't call it an insurance premium. It's a tax, plain and simple.
Bake
Selatius
(20,441 posts)It's been 6.2% for decades now until the tax holiday.
If you don't want a Social Security check at 65, then you would continually extend the tax holiday of 4.2% instead of 6.2% because the last 2% came from the General Fund that Congress controls.
Republicans would therefore have a valid argument in saying that Social Security drives up the deficits under the General Fund, and Republicans like to cut deficit drivers.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Obama's first offer actually called for a 1 year extension of this holiday (which was intended to only be for one year). But Bayner rejected the whole thing, and the holiday was dropped in Obama's 2nd offer.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)on what they "thought" was going to happen. From what I understand it was about half-way between worst case scenario and best case scenario. They sent revised withholding tables on Jan 3rd in Notice 1036 IR-2013-1. What that means is they may have taken out more in taxes than was necessary. Problem is, you won't get that money back until you file your tax return. The ONLY change in your taxes assuming income of under 200k is the 2%. If you make 20k per year, and you are paid every two weeks, your paycheck will go down by about $15.38. Hope that helps.
FLyellowdog
(4,276 posts)I'm worried that you don't understand how the Social Security system works. Or understand that Presdient Obama should be addressed by his official title.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)If you want to blame somebody, blame the Republicans in Congress. They insisted on ending the tax holiday and they refused to remove the cap.
It is wrong for the working class to sacrifice while the higher income earners don't. Blame the Republicans.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Is there a citation/proof for this?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Read, oh I don't know, any story about the fiscal cliff negotiations?
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Thanks so much for the link you will provide...!
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)unless they are exempt from SS and can't draw benefits (govt workers, for example).
Someone earning $400k in a salary pays SS up to the salary cap (around $105,000 or something). The reason there's a cap is because of the cap on benefits.
You pay into Social Security for the deal that you may possibly get your money back, but maybe more, and maybe less. But there's a cap on the Social Security benefit. So there's a cap on the salary, since such a person has no chance in hell of ever getting that money back; it becomes just another tax at that point. It's not part of a Social Security deal at all.
The payroll rate went up to the normal rate. If you want to receive your normal SS benefit, you can expect to pay the normal rate into it. Otherwise, SS would be in trouble financially. And you know what that means. Even though it's okay financially right now, Republicans have been persistently claiming it's about to bankrupt the country and should be significantly reduced or reformed. They'd have a more valid argument if SS did in fact become insolvent (and it supposedly will be in a couple of decades).
It's hard to pay more after we've been paying less, but at least we'll have a chance of getting it back in benefits.
obama2terms
(563 posts)The rate went from 6.2 to 4.2. It was a payroll tax holiday so it wasn't meant to last forever. So prior to 2010 you have always paid 6.2%. We are simply going back to normal, it's nothing new. I do agree though higher income earners need to pay their fair share. But if you want SS and Medicare you have to put money towards it, it's a lot of money but that's the way it is.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)talk to HR, they may be withholding wrong.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)I guess I was wrong.
doc03
(35,325 posts)are grossing 5000 dollards a month, that is 60000 dollards a year not 20000. You will get it back when you retire, become disabled, if you would pass away your wife and kids would get benifits. That's a pretty good deal I think. My dad retired at 62 and lived to 77 he got SS for 15 years my mother continued getting SS benifits for another 22 years until she passed away. That's not bad between the two of them they got SS for 37 years.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)leftstreet
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tavernier
(12,377 posts)you can make a pretty dandy whine.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)They will be the same jackasses who will whine like babies when they hit 65 and fixin' to collect their guv'mint check every month then whine again for their Medicare card.
Typical turd du jour!
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Viking12
(6,012 posts)he's a fucking idiot.
How do you like your pizza?
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)on the Republican side since Boehner has no control of his Republicans your taxes would had been higher. The income tax portion.
former9thward
(31,981 posts)From Title 26, Section 3101 of the U.S. Code:
(a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) received by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))
In cases of wages received during: The rate shall be:
1984, 1985, 1986, or 1987 5.7 percent
1988 or 1989 6.06 percent
1990 or thereafter 6.2 percent
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)If you are on DU I presume you are fairly intelligent. Tax "holiday" mean anything to you?
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Did none of you people ever notice the RAISE in pay you got from the ss holiday? Where were you when you did't have to pay into SS for a while? You certainly weren't on DU thanking the President for giving you more take home pay back then.
Now that you have to fund your social security again, you're SHOCKED?
What the hell?
You should have been calling your Republican greedy ass congresspeople if you wanted the rich to pay more. It's the Republicans, and not Obama, who fight to protect the very wealthy.
Obama did what he could. It's up to YOU and ME and everyone BITCHING about their "new deductions" to make Congress care.
If you didn't, you're part of the clueless masses who apparently just figured out this whole payroll holiday thing this morning. I don't get people who are this stumped about their own paychecks.
Jayzuss.....it's amazing.... the people who DO have jobs in this economy don't seem very bright.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Your words:
"Even someone making less than me ( around 20k) will pay more ( around 1.6) than domeone making 400k."
A wage earner making $20,000 a year will see (round numbers) $7 a week deduction increase. Assuming you get paid bi-weekly, that means $14 against your $50. Which means your earnings are in the $70,000 range.
My freakin' heart bleeds for you.
ps: Just so you know, those pricks you are carrying water for on this thread, don't pay a penny on their income above $113,700. You do realize that they are laughing at people like you, don't you?
Atman
(31,464 posts)Where the hell do you work, as splooge mopper at the porno peep show booths?
If you're only making $50 a week, you're taxes wouldn't cover a 12 pack of Natty Light.
Oh, I love you rightie trolls! So transparent!
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I am now receiving Social Security. And I am glad I paid into it for the last 50-some years. And you all will too when you retire and do not have a large amount of cash in the bank.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)My paycheck went down to 50 cents.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)You're welcome.
patrice
(47,992 posts)or at least following, issues like HR 676 Expanded and Improved Medicare for All, linked on the front page here: http://www.pnhp.org/ and the evolution of more co - operative business models that are developing amongst some demographics usually associated with what is called "youth culture" in its more career/professional orientations.
If you understand the latest cycle in what has happened to the US economy, which we experience in the financial crises of '08, perhaps you also understand that the time has come for individual persons to consider re-defining the word "value". The value of money is arbitrary and completely controlled by a private banking cartel known as The Federal Reserve (which is NOT in the Constitution, btw).
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)and it was fully due to the return of Social Security to pre-stimulus times then your gross pay (pre-tax) was $2,500.00
If that is not correct there may well be a rise in Health Insurance or other non-tax related deductions or someone made an error.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Trying to drum up some material for tomorrow's show?
Tikki
(14,557 posts)If not, someone should ask.
Tikki
Atman
(31,464 posts)And he can only afford half his regular quota of Dominican Republican schoolboys. Poor Rush!
Atman
(31,464 posts)He didn't say it went down 50 dollars, he said it was reduced TO 50 dollars. Clearly he's working for Rush. Who else could justify paying his employees so little?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)This is only the 20th or so post by one who seems to not know what the payroll tax holiday was, or who gave it to them in the first place.