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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:54 AM Jan 2013

The social chaos and extremist rightwing backlash in Greece is getting worse

The police are now mostly in league with the fascist Golden Dawn party, and conspire to terrorize and intimidate anyone who doesn't look "Greek."

While we can tut tut and shake our heads, it's crucial to note that this isn't happening in a vacuum. These are the wages of austerity little different from the fate of immiserated Germany after World War I. When a proud and previously prosperous people are suddenly thrown into extreme poverty and their safety net destroyed, nationalist, anti-immigrant, anti-"other" sentiment is the inevitable result. One would think the Germans of all people would recognize this pattern.

The austerity crowd isn't just temporarily destroying economies. They're toying with entire cultures, failing to learn lessons that should have been permanently etched into the world's memory over 70 years ago.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-wages-of-austerity-by-davidoatkins.html
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The social chaos and extremist rightwing backlash in Greece is getting worse (Original Post) phantom power Jan 2013 OP
this is the saddest part Follow The Money Jan 2013 #1
We aren't anywhere near that JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #2
"It can't happen here." Speck Tater Jan 2013 #6
Re: "we aren't in danger of genocide/concentration camps" eomer Jan 2013 #7
... don't forget the prison-industrial complex & arming the inner city youth ... Myrina Jan 2013 #8
Yes, thank you. n/t eomer Jan 2013 #9
I beleive those "lessons" are NOT a failure. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #4
+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #11
And yet . . . JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #3
Exactly. After WWI the allies forced Germany into austerity in the treaty and this had everything jwirr Jan 2013 #5
That's what the definition of "National Socialism" was.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #10
 

Follow The Money

(141 posts)
1. this is the saddest part
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jan 2013

They're toying with entire cultures, failing to learn lessons that should have been permanently etched into the world's memory over 70 years ago.

ours too, it is so sad to watch our culture go downhill so far so fast. I wonder if there is any way we can turn it around.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
2. We aren't anywhere near that
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jan 2013

We actually moved away from that after the Civil Rights movement. It's still there - we still have racial profiling . . . but we aren't in danger of genocide/concentration camps.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
6. "It can't happen here."
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

Keep believing that.

Then read this book about how things went down in German. They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer (1955)

Full text (PDF/Kindle/plain text) available FREE at this link.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
7. Re: "we aren't in danger of genocide/concentration camps"
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

We're not only in danger of them, we've already got them. Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and other dark sites around the world. We have held people in concentration camps, tortured them and tortured some to death.

Regarding genocide, we can quibble over definitions and body counts and may end up saying that the Iraq War doesn't constitute genocide, but a large number of people are still dead and a larger number injured and displaced.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
8. ... don't forget the prison-industrial complex & arming the inner city youth ...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jan 2013

... if those don't constitute a form of concentration camp and genocide, I don't know what does.

We give impoverished inner city minorities no alternatives but crime, so they either kill each other, end up dead or in prison, or in the military - killing whoever the gov't tells them to kill.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. I beleive those "lessons" are NOT a failure.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jan 2013

They are a blueprint for those who are destabilizing these countries, under the guise of austerity.
tis all part of the plan and has been used over and over and over again as a method of keeping the subjected population from
organizing.


JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
3. And yet . . .
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jan 2013
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

Nothing on the State Department Travel Warning List. Oh - and it's still going on towards black Americans in Spain. A very good friend of mine has a son (African American) who plays a professional sport in Italy. His American passport didn't help him with the Barcelona police.

If it happens twice in one country - it's something our State Department ought to be giving us a heads up on.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. Exactly. After WWI the allies forced Germany into austerity in the treaty and this had everything
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jan 2013

to do with starting WWII.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. That's what the definition of "National Socialism" was....
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jan 2013

The Germans liked Socialism but the Nazis said it should only be for "True Germans".

They claimed "immigrants" were sponging off the system.

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