WHOOPS LOOKS LIKE TENNESSEE IS GOING TO START TAKING DUDE’S GUNS AWAY?

[PeaceNikki]

Uh oh. Be careful Tennessee! You do not want James Yeager to start murdering you!


The state of Tennessee has suspended the handgun carry permit of James Yeager, CEO of Tactical Response, who recently said he would “start killing people” should President Obama take executive action on gun control.

State officials explained they revoked the permit because of Yeager’s “material likelihood of risk of harm to the public,” according to a local TV station. Tactical Response is a Tennessee-based company that specializes in firearms and tactical training.


Read more at http://wonkette.com/496585/whoops-looks-like-tennessee-is-going-to-start-taking-dudes-guns-away#w5DSHpWfgkUPV8Vr.99

[still_one]

1. That is all well and good, but the guy should be arrested for making a threat

[PeaceNikki]

2. agreed. he and The Nuge should go live on an island

With all their guns.

[baldguy]

5. "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, A tale of a fateful trip..."

"It started from this tropic port
Aboard this tiny ship..."

[DanielW]

8. i hate to say it

but from your viewpoint.. couldnt you as easily go live in chicago or the uk where they are already living in your utopian vision and there is already gun bans, but also a much higher violent crime rate???

just playing devils advocate here.

[PeaceNikki]

11. my "utopia"?

What the hell do you know about "my utopia", n00b?

[DanielW]

19. i'm assuming from your post that

your utopia js where theres no gun violence or ownership, and that is currently a very utopian vision for this country. so if that is your position for position, you could always just move to chicago or to the uk if you want to live in a gun free society.

the UK seems to be the model for gun control, 35 gun deaths a year (which is high considering guns have been banned for years, clearly the ban didnt work very well), but you could always just go there, right?

but really, i was playing devils advocate, i hate when i hear someone tell other people if they dont like something they should just go somewhere else (like on an island). the whole point of a democratic republic is so that everyones views are put on the table and hopefully not trampled on.

[kestrel91316]

34. Mr. Yeager is abusing his privilege of gun ownership. So now he's losing it.

He's just getting spanked like any naughty child would be.

If you can't play well with others, there will be consequences, dearie.

[derby378]

37. You mean his RIGHT of gun ownership

The moment we start thinking of our Constitutional rights as privileges, we are in serious trouble.

Then again, when someone like Yeager tries to use his Constitutional rights to suppress our Constitutional rights by threatening bloody murder, he is, to put it politely, fucked.

[kestrel91316]

47. He hasn't lost the right to own guns. He has acted in a manner that caused himself

to lose the privilege of a CCW.

There. Are you happy now??? Or do you also feel that no manner of using or carrying guns should be restricted??

He threatened to use his toys/penis extensions to MURDER innocent people.

Bite me.

[Bake]

57. Call them toys if you must

Although a gun is most definitely NOT a toy, and no responsible gun owner thinks of them as toys.

"Penis extensions" on the other hand, is needlessly inflammatory.

Bake

[IveWornAHundredPants]

73. They're closer to toys than tools, in most cases.

A nail gun is a tool. A gun is a tool for... what? Putting holes in pieces of paper, or in humans. Popgun lovers on this site are constantly calling them tools.

The obvious exceptions are hunting and varmint control, of course, but the guy who keeps his guns around the house to assuage his home invasion anxieties, or to protect against the totalitarianism he imagines is nigh, or to visit some range on weekends and bang away - in other words, the average gun owner - is not exactly Bob Vila.

[PeaceNikki]

41. no. insane assholes like this guy and "The Nuge" should be put/sent away.

But, enjoy your likely short stay.

[RainDog]

46. There are limits to speech, i.e. yelling fire and causing a stampede

I hope this guy feels the hot breath of the entire mutha fucking security apparatus of the U.S. on his racist ass.

I may be wrong, but I think that's what PeaceNikki was referring to.

I hate when I hear people pretend that it's entirely okay to create a climate of fear and terror in the idiots who aligned with this one.

[Nine]

55. "35 gun deaths a year...clearly UK's gun ban didn't work very well"

Did you really just say that?

[awoke_in_2003]

63. Stupefying, isn't it? nt

[Scuba]

16. You know nothing of PeaceNikki's viewpoint, Chicago, or crime. Enjoy your pizza.

[PeaceNikki]

20. these threads are like trollpaper

[Tempest]

31. But they can be quite entertaining watching the gun nuts tie themselves in knots.

The contradictions they make are hysterical.

[DanielW]

21. i wish

i had a pizza.

[Scuba]

24. Not to worry, it'll be along shortly.

[Ed Suspicious]

27. I wish I had a troll swatter.

[mac56]

64. Be careful what you wish for.

Just sayin'.

[malaise]

75. Have no fear

You'll get one

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

28. I just wanted to welcome you

in case you aren't here very long..............

[wandy]

51. You know, responsible gun owners are not the problem here.....

The problem isn't people who collect guns.
The problem is highlighted by foaming at the mouth idiots like this Yeager crackpot.
The problem becomes a threat when at the mention of even talking about sensible gun restrictions people start yammering about forming an army and shooting anybody who even question why they need a back yard railgun.
It is that type of fool that will eventually cause sever, zero tolerant gun control.

[Scuba]

53. Yep, the NRA and other nutters rants will result in backlash.

The NRA has not been representing the best interest of gun owners for decades.

[OldDem2012]

56. Instead of you attempting to obscure the topic of gun-related deaths.....

....by including ALL violent crimes, let's talk apples and apples, shall we?

Compare the US and UK deaths by firearms per 100,000 citizens:

US: 10.2
UK: 0.25

Compare the US and UK deaths by total deaths by firearms:

US: 9,146
UK: 41

Compare the US and UK total gun ownership:

US: 270 million
UK: 3.4 million

Compare the US and UK guns owned per 100 people:

US: 88.8
UK: 6.2

The UK seems to take the idea of gun control seriously, don't they?

[cer7711]

65. There's More to the Story than Simply Gun Bans = More Violent Crime

Map of Murders In Chicago Overlays School Closings:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022159561

[cheapdate]

66. Given the choice...

I'd rather "violent crime" come in the form of pub brawls instead of public shootouts.

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world with 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009. By comparison, the rate in the United States is over 40 times higher.

[baldguy]

3. "Tactical Response is a Tennessee-based company that specializes in firearms and tactical training."

Would you take a drivers' ed course from a company owned by a guy who had his drivers' license taken away?

Go to a health clinic where the doctor had his medical license suspended?

Hire a lawyer who's been disbarred?

[PeaceNikki]

7. this comment made me lol

Heh, the federal government hasn't even passed a new law yet but the state steps in and yanks his permit. States' rights, asshole!

[rrneck]

18. I hate to say it, but it will probably be good for business.

He'll probably try to sue his way to gun rights martyrdom.

[etherealtruth]

4. Oh yeah ... its a good idea for that ass to be able to own guns

[PeaceNikki]

9. yes. but he hasn't had property, only his permit.

You probably gotta be pretty fucked for TENNESSEE to take away your carry permit. But we guess we sort of lied in the headline, because they’re not actually taking away Mr. Yeager’s guns. “Yet.”

[Buns_of_Fire]

25. Speaking of permits, I'd imagine his FFL is being reviewed, too.

Tennessee has shown an amazing tolerance for their nutjob contingent, but this nut's alligator mouth got his hummingbird ass in trouble -- even in Tennessee.

Of course, he's probably already in contract negotiations with Faux for his own show. Co-starring Alex Jones, of course.

[DanielW]

26. i know

that was my point, is it morally wrong to defend your property when somebody else initiates the use of force and violence to take it from you against your will, regardless of if its the state or a street thug thats doing it?

its a hard question to answer...

as far as the permit goes, thats nothing more than a permission slip to own a piece of a property, so from the beginning you dont have the right to own a gun in this country, merely the right to ask for and pay the state for the tempory privilege to own a gun. but once you do the gun becomes your property regardless of permit or not. right?

[kestrel91316]

38. The state has every right to use force to enforce laws. Sort of what the words MEAN, lol.

If you don't like the laws we have in the US, use your vote to change them or git thee to Somalia.

[DanielW]

44. i understand

that the state must use force to enforce the laws, and the cases of theft, assault, rape, murder, etc i completely agree.

the question was more from a civil liberties viewpoint, if the individual has been peaceful and not aggressed or used force or violence against anybody, does the state still have the authority to use force and violence against you? and if it does, do you have the moral right to resist and defend yourself against this?

its a question of civil liberties, morals, and property rights, nothing more...

and to respond to your comment about somalia, i'm not hear to impose any specific viewpoint for or against, i'm simply debating the political philosphy of it all.

but suppose i did believe what youre implying i believe, why should i move to somalia? i'm not the one advocating for a government that uses force and violence against people that have acted peacefully and without violence, i'm for principled civil liberties. therefor, could you not as easily go to a place like the UK that does the opposite? ..just to play devils advocate here.

[Bjorn Against]

49. Somalia does not have an intrusive government at all

In fact Somalia has virtually no government at all, it is exactly the type of society the Teabaggers advocate for. You can own all the guns you want there, it is also one of the most dangerous places on Earth. It is the perfect example of why Ayn Rand ideology does not work.

[PeaceNikki]

50. you keep saying that "devil's advocate" line. on the internet, that is called "trolling"

[cheapdate]

69. This is not even a close case.

Threatening to murder someone is a crime in every state in the country, as far as I'm aware. And the Second Amendment unquestionably gives the states the right to regulate guns within their borders, as decided in Presser v. Illinois and elsewhere. This crazy sonofabitch is extremely fortunate that revocation of his gun permit is the only sanction he's faced, so far.

The First Amendment gives the government a high burden to limit speech, but when you start saying that you're going to pick up your gun and kill someone, you have stepped over the line, without question.

And considering this happened in Tennessee -- one of the craziest gun states in the country (I live there) -- you know this bastard is crazy.

[NYC_SKP]

76. Do you know what happens to new members who play devil's advocate on DU?

Do you?

Well, you're about to find out.

As to your original question, revocation of concealed carry permit is not a taking of property, it's removal of a privilege (unless you think CC is a right).

....

[PeaceNikki]

42. bullshit. violent assholes are regularly forced to surrender weapons

when they are credible threats.

USA! USA! USA!

[Warren Stupidity]

74. No. The permit is for concealed carry. You can buy and own guns without a carry permit.

A carry permit is not a right, it is a privilege, and it comes with requirements and responsibilities, which the fucking nutbag outrageously violated. There is no "property issue" here at all, any more than there is a property issue with losing your driver's license for drunk driving.

Only in rightwing libertarian world is a carry permit revocation a property issue.

[SirRevolutionary]

10. Property?

Guns. And he didn't make a threat to "peacefully keep his own property", he said he was going to kill people with his "property". Do 1A rights allow you to stand up and tell a public official you're going to kill them?

[SirRevolutionary]

43. No public official threatened this guy Yeager

He's the one who said "if this goes on step further, I'll start killing people". He said he'd fire the first shot in a new civil war, and basically condoned anarchy in his rant. He's the one with the perceived threat from the government taking his precious death cannons. No one in the government threatened to steal his guns as far as I've heard, he's the one who said if President Obama's administration attempts to regulate his not-currently-well-regulated-internet-tough-guy-militia then he'll kill people.

To answer your question though, if some nutty (RW I suppose) public official threatened violence against me verbally, I'd sue him. We can't just choose what laws we'll obey or disobey without running the risk of becoming a criminal.

[CJCRANE]

12. That's a good point.

However, if he said something like that during the Bush era he would be in prison before his feet could touch the ground.

[RKP5637]

15. In prison and probably never heard from again and forgotten. And imagine

what J. Edgar Hoover would have done with this guy ...

[DanielW]

35. that's certainly debatable

i wouldnt say that scenario is any different with the obama era though. not much has changed from the bush policies to the obama policies, on the contrary actually, alot of those bush policies where increased and used more frequently under the obama era.

for example, secret indefinate detention of american citizens..

[CJCRANE]

40. Do you remember these guys...?

The Liberty City Seven

"Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said in 2006 that the men had been taped promising to fight a "full ground war against the United States." The seven were arrested on June 23, 2006.

On June 22, 2006, a grand jury indicted the seven men. They were arrested during an FBI raid on the run-down warehouse in Liberty City, Miami in which the group met".

"The group had no weapons and did not seek weapons when they were offered. The group had no communication with any actual al-Qaeda or other terrorist operatives".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_Seven

[DeschutesRiver]

60. I think Mr. Yeager now runs the risk that he may fit the definition of domestic terrorist. nt

[riderinthestorm]

13. They didn't take a single gun away from him. They suspended his handgun carrying permit. Period.

Because he made threats against the President. He's lucky the Secret Service hasn't hauled him in for questioning.

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[Agschmid]

17. Well...

he made a threat yes, but it was a threat to peacefully keep his own property and to defend it should the state decide it would take it away for no reason

He gave the state a reason is all I'd like to say in response.

[marions ghost]

22. If someone tells their shrink they're going to kill themselves

The shrink will likely push for intervention especially if the guy has guns. They base it on on intent and ability. Because sometimes people who appear to be threats to themselves or others actually do it. Do you want them to wait til he starts shooting?
Wouldn't that be kind of stupid on society's part? There are laws against making verbal threats and inciting violence. I'm actually worried more that he is encouraging others--dog whistles to the nutjobs--like the chatter that happened before the Gabby Giffords murder attempt. You have to think of this differently--weapons are not just any type of property. Because we have allowed them to proliferate we're going to have a hard time controlling them in the hands of the insane.

[rrneck]

23. Yeager's an opportunistic idiot.

Gun ownership brings with it certain responsibilities. Threatening to kill people on the internet is well outside anything I would consider responsible gun ownership.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

29. You can't yell 'FIRE'

in a crowded theater in relation to the First Amendment, which is what he's doing here with his irresponsible, over the top, stomp my feet, hold my breath until I get my way, approach to this gun thing..........

[Thinkingabout]

30. He was given a CCW permit, he has displayed threating behavior, action taken.

CCW permit is a privilege and with the mood of many we do nit need someone like him running around with guns. If it causes him to be unable to continue his business he has no one to blame but himself. Just as attorneys and doctors are licensed and are subject to having their license suspended, so is he for misconduct. The Second amendment may give some rights to bear arms it does not give one the right to run around threatening anyone. If he is in the business of training others in the use of weapons he should be teaching actions which can cause revoking CCW.'S.

[baldguy]

32. With rights come responsabilities.

One BIGresponsibility for a gun owner is to not go around threatening to kill people.

Does this really need to be spelled out?

[kestrel91316]

36. He wasn't reciting the phone book. He was making specific threats of murder.

Sort of like shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater - speech has its limits, and so does gun ownership.

He crossed the line. Go peddle your RW crap elsewhere. WE DON'T WANT IT HERE.

[gateley]

48. Welcome to DU, DanielW!

[okaawhatever]

58. Daniel I don't think you heard the unedited video. He said if this goes 1 inch further i'm gonna

start killin' people. Since we all know the gun debate will continue, he was in effect saying he was going to start killing people. He didn't even use an unlikely qualifying statement. If Obama signs an xo for gun control, or if they ban clips over 20 bullets.
There are plenty of people in jail for making terroristic threats. Just because this guy made them about his 2nd amendment rights doesn't change his liability. My ex boyfriend or husband does not have a first amendment right to threaten to kill me. Period. This is the same thing.

Additionally, he has only lost his right to carry a handgun in public.

[Zoeisright]

62. Good god.

Of course he should have his precious taken away. He made threats. What about that can't you understand?

[Veilex]

71. "should a citizen have their property take from them and/or be arrested because of speech"

In a word yes. In several words, everyone has the right to free speech... that right does not, however, protect you from possible consequences of that speech. If you go around spouting off that you want to commit an atrocity against a public figure, or make a phone call and say to someone your thinking of planting a bomb at their work/home/school... sure, you can say whatever you want... but your rights end where someone else's begin... if you go around threatening to shoot someone, you are liable.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. THEY CAN TAKE MY GUNS BUT THEY CANT TAKE MY NUTS

[DirkGently]

39. This guy is GREAT. Walking, self-contained, self-defeating argument. (nt)

[Stuart G]

45. OH..OH..OHH...OHHHHHHHHHHHHH....OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO> NO:

Tell me it aint so...Joeless JOE???????????????????????

and..put this nutcase James Yeager...away too........far away...

[patrice]

52. No guns have been taken. He just cannot have a gun in public. His guns will have to stay home

and since I don't plan on visiting him, I, as an advocate of a ban on assault weapons, feel safer now, because, though he may wish to kill me for my support of ending assault weapon ownership, he will be arrested if he leaves his house with a gun.

[Ghost in the Machine]

54. As a gun owner, and Tennesseean, just let me say.... "BRAVO!! Well done!"

This isn't the type of clown/idiot/jackass/irresponsible gun owner that I would want to have *any* part of the discussion or the debate on gun laws, gun control or any other matter concerning gun issues.

These "bang, bang, shoot 'em up" morons ruin any chance of rational gun control regulations debate. I hope they *do* take *his* guns, and put him out of business, if that's how he is training people at his business to think/act....

Ghost

[PeaceNikki]

59. exactly. nobody should defend *this* violent creep's right to be a murderer.

[TheKentuckian]

61. Good and that is coming from someone who makes the NRA seem like the Brady campaign on RKBA.

[fascisthunter]

67. "ding-a-ling-ding-dong"

I like the jingle without the gunz.

[RomneyLies]

68. Dude was accused of COWARDICE UNDER FIRE in Iraq while working for ESRM

http://mountainrunner.us/2006/01/edinburgh_risk_/#.UPDEt_KGe3M

[whoisthatis]

70. Wow, just wow

It seems as if the hardcore gun rights people view this debate as a civil rights issue. That could not be more offensive to people who have actually been treated unfairly on the basis of gender, race, sexual orientation, or religion.

[Agschmid]

72. No it could not.

and so far so good... welcome to DU!

[underthematrix]

77. Thank you TN. An attention-seeking fool gets the

kind of attention he so deserves.

[southernyankeebelle]

78. Thank you state officials. We need to get these nuts out of the job.

[Kalidurga]

79. He should be arrested...

He made terroristic threats. I don't feel like the people in Tennessee are safe with this nut running around. I doubt he will care that he doesn't have a CCW permit. I don't think it will stop him from carrying his gun around. He thinks it is his right to carry.