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Oh, so you're afraid of whites becoming a minority? (Original Post) Playinghardball Jan 2013 OP
I'm white. I'm not afraid. HappyMe Jan 2013 #1
When we visited Napa valley, a lovely Hispanic looking woman was giving me the evil eye siligut Jan 2013 #3
Well, we probably do. HappyMe Jan 2013 #9
I agree siligut Jan 2013 #11
Whose land was it before she stole it? upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
True, she is genetically at least part Spanish siligut Jan 2013 #29
The US has such a superb record of treating all minorities sooo well, can't RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
Which country has a superb record of treating minoritites well? Nt Confusious Jan 2013 #37
If there is one I certainly do not know. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #41
The good old boys are so trying not to let that happen siligut Jan 2013 #4
If every racial group is a minority The Second Stone Jan 2013 #5
There is no majority FarCenter Jan 2013 #6
I'm not worried, as long as I get to keep my White Male Privilege Orrex Jan 2013 #7
If you are, stay away from Hawai'i! KamaAina Jan 2013 #8
+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #10
Makes me wonder if religion is going to be a unifying factor siligut Jan 2013 #12
About 12 percent of the state is Mormon KamaAina Jan 2013 #13
Didn't know that siligut Jan 2013 #14
They aren't a small religion LeftInTX Jan 2013 #35
They overstate their numbers and produce many off-spring siligut Jan 2013 #36
You're with Beehive Financial too? RZM Jan 2013 #39
No, not Beehive Financial siligut Jan 2013 #40
Reread your last two posts RZM Jan 2013 #43
Easy enough to look up the 2-3% siligut Jan 2013 #45
Fair enough RZM Jan 2013 #46
They are gang stalking me siligut Jan 2013 #47
My wife and I didn't raise our kids in a white community. hunter Jan 2013 #15
I don't think they should bash people for breeding outside of their race and I dont think we should DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #16
There's no such thing as 'race' leftstreet Jan 2013 #18
Biologically, you are correct YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #20
You could just say that then leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
Doesn't work either Confusious Jan 2013 #38
You're correct about the word race, but still, the fact remains people will be able to chose whateve DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #23
Principle component analysis of gene alleles can be used to cluster humans into specific groups FarCenter Jan 2013 #44
Most variation is within a group, not between groups leftstreet Jan 2013 #48
The clusters have minimal overlap and the centroids are quite far apart. FarCenter Jan 2013 #49
The only thing I'm worried about MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #17
Whites are already a minority where I live (South SF Bay Area) YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #19
California! Greatest place on Earth! Taverner Jan 2013 #33
Same down here in LA Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #42
I'm white but I'm also a minority simply because I was born deaf. I got used to it years ago. nt deafskeptic Jan 2013 #22
To quote Bill Maher iandhr Jan 2013 #24
I always get a kick out of "the google"... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #25
Much better than a bunch of doughy codgers siligut Jan 2013 #30
Something is kinda having me scratching my head about this. CheapShotArtist Jan 2013 #27
In Maine, naturallyselected Jan 2013 #28
I'm looking forward to it so I can get all that free healthcare and education and welfare. L0oniX Jan 2013 #31
This should be reported to Homeland Security ASAP. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #32
What is all this with this self-hatred that white people have? chaska Jan 2013 #34

siligut

(12,272 posts)
3. When we visited Napa valley, a lovely Hispanic looking woman was giving me the evil eye
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

It was quite disturbing so I asked her what I did. She told me we (white people) had stolen their land. When I was younger and in a night club, a black woman was giving me the evil eye, so I asked her what I had done. She told me that we (white women) were stealing their men. When I was in China . . .

I am not afraid, but we whites might have it coming.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. Well, we probably do.
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jan 2013

As far as who people date, I think that is up to the couple involved. It really isn't anybody's business.
Demanding that people date within their race or ethnic group isn't going to go far to help racism.

White people did take everything away from Native Americans. Any time I see a program on the history channel, I think how unforgivable it is.



siligut

(12,272 posts)
11. I agree
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jan 2013

Yes, two completely different issues, being white and the evil eye are the unifying factors.

Yes, white people took the land and fucked it up so bad it looks irreparable. Actually I know it will repair itself once we are gone.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
29. True, she is genetically at least part Spanish
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jan 2013

Mexicans are mixed Indian and Spanish, so half of her stole land from her other half.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
2. The US has such a superb record of treating all minorities sooo well, can't
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jan 2013

see what the problem would be for a white minority!!!

siligut

(12,272 posts)
4. The good old boys are so trying not to let that happen
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jan 2013

Oppression!!!! They are so good at it. Even if out numbered, they have those skills.

Orrex

(63,084 posts)
7. I'm not worried, as long as I get to keep my White Male Privilege
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jan 2013

I worked very hard to be born white and male, so I deserve to reap the benefits of my diligent efforts.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. If you are, stay away from Hawai'i!
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jan 2013
Haoles have been a minority there for generations.

Come to think of it, there really is no majority out there. And very, very few repukes. Coincidence? I think not.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
12. Makes me wonder if religion is going to be a unifying factor
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jan 2013

The Mormon owned polynesian center and the old computer game Age of Empires makes me ponder if a religion will create the new ruling majority.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. About 12 percent of the state is Mormon
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jan 2013

they own pretty much the entire town of La'ie, where BYU-H and PCC are. They teamed up with the Catholics to saddle the state with a Prop H8-style ban on marriage equality.

But a Utah-style majority? Not gonna happen.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
36. They overstate their numbers and produce many off-spring
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jan 2013

Fast growing because they go out and recruit. Tell possible recruits huge lies and make impossible promises.

They make up about 2-3% in the US, but insinuate themselves into powerful positions.

They also concentrate in money making areas, like at two of my financial/investment institutions.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
39. You're with Beehive Financial too?
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

I don't know how Mormon the financial sector is. I wouldn't guess a whole lot, but I have no idea. Do you have data on this? Also not sure how you would measure insinuation into powerful positions.



siligut

(12,272 posts)
40. No, not Beehive Financial
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jan 2013

Are you serious? One of my financial advisers told me about all the Mormons at Fidelity, but I had noticed it before at Merrill Lynch.

Mormons promote other Mormons. They share information with their brethren that they are sworn not to, because Mormons believe their religion is above the law.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
43. Reread your last two posts
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jan 2013

Starting at 'They make up 2-3 percent . . .'

I'll admit 'replace it with Jew' isn't the most original or effective argument, but in this case, it's a bit eerie. Seriously, reread it with that in mind.

If you can't back up these types of assertions with facts, I really don't see why they are necessary.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
45. Easy enough to look up the 2-3%
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jan 2013

I lived in Utah, my opinion has place here. You, of course may disagree, you have a place here too.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
46. Fair enough
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jan 2013

I'm not trying to launch a tirade over this. DU has more than enough flamewars to go around as it is.

Just something to think about. I think the rhetoric you use has a seriously troubled past - one that is troubled enough, IMO, not to use it.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
47. They are gang stalking me
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jan 2013

They promised to ruin my life and have made things very difficult for me.

I would liken them more to Nazis than Jews.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
15. My wife and I didn't raise our kids in a white community.
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jan 2013

That's the way we wanted it.

I'm white and I grew up in a community that was 99.44% Ivory Soap White and mostly Republican. (My parents were held there by work. They've since retired and moved to a much nicer place.) I escaped that stifling culture in the mid 'eighties and I'm never going back.

 
16. I don't think they should bash people for breeding outside of their race and I dont think we should
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jan 2013

bash them for preferring to breed inside theirs. Everyone wants to force their own personal beliefs on everyone else. What difference does it make if whites are the minority? In 10 more years none of this will likely matter anyway with the advance's in technology. Soon we'll be able to pick our childrens sex, eye, hair and skin color. You'll be able to have what ever you want no matter who you breed with as long as you have the money to pay for it.

leftstreet

(36,076 posts)
18. There's no such thing as 'race'
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jan 2013

There are no genetic markers that specifically distinguish one 'race' from another

You can study skin color, hair color, diseases, etc in terms of how humans adapted to their environments, but that's not 'race'

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
20. Biologically, you are correct
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:57 PM
Jan 2013

But human beings are very much a product of culture and social environment, and "race" is real as a social construct.

leftstreet

(36,076 posts)
21. You could just say that then
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jan 2013

That you don't mind if people prefer to 'breed within' their culture and/or social environments

 
23. You're correct about the word race, but still, the fact remains people will be able to chose whateve
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jan 2013

they want, so really it's going to be hard for anyone to argue that this or that is being wiped out when everyone has a choice. For example, people tend to want to express individualism. This is where fads come from. backwards I know, but that's human behavior.
Ten years ago it was the "thing" to get tats. Now almost everyone has them and I know young people who won't be getting them because "everyone" has them. So we see the new trend in being "different" or expressing individualism will be moving towards no tats.

The same will happen with children. It will be trendy for awhile to have pale white skin and light blue eyes, then the trend might move to dark skin and blond hair. Race or skin color issues will be a thing of the past. No one will have any idea what "race" your child is.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
44. Principle component analysis of gene alleles can be used to cluster humans into specific groups
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jan 2013

Which pretty much equate to the 4 commonly referred to races if you use 4 principle components. Clustering becomes better defined if you use 7 components to separate out some of the smaller populations.

So biologically, there is such a thing as race.

leftstreet

(36,076 posts)
48. Most variation is within a group, not between groups
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jan 2013

There's not a gene out there that manifests in one 'race' but not another

The groupings you're talking about don't establish what people commonly think of when they say 'race'

That's all I meant

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
49. The clusters have minimal overlap and the centroids are quite far apart.
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jan 2013

The clusters do equate to white, east Asian, black and native American using 4 principle components.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis

It is not based on single genes, but rather an analysis of patterns of alleles across multiple genes.

And there are some highly indicative gene complexes. For example the Neanderthal MHC haplotypes are present only in Eurasians and not in sub-Saharan Africans.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
17. The only thing I'm worried about
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jan 2013

if/when white folks become a minority is that the white racists will try something big.


 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
19. Whites are already a minority where I live (South SF Bay Area)
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jan 2013

And guess what?



.........






















I'm fine with that.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
33. California! Greatest place on Earth!
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jan 2013

My kid is in the majority where I live. Not me or my wife (I'm white, she's asian) but HAPA

Hapa is the dominant "race" where we live

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. I always get a kick out of "the google"...
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jan 2013

I wanted to toss in an image after entering "board of directors" of a bunch of doughy looking codgers.

Okay, granted, there were plenty to choose from but amongst the images was this...



So I'll just let that be my reply.

CheapShotArtist

(333 posts)
27. Something is kinda having me scratching my head about this.
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jan 2013

Like when people say that whites will lose their majority, how do we know for sure that this will continue? I mean all it is is just a trend. Trends can stop or reverse. It's not something that's written in stone.

Another thing I want to add is that I'm curious about whether the people who do these population studies include both racial AND ethnic make-up in these trends. For example, I heard that Latinos are the fastest-growing part of the population. But isn't it true that a person from any race can be Latino/Hispanic, whether they're black, white, or Asian?

28. In Maine,
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:55 PM
Jan 2013

Something like 96% of the population is white. To me, a real drawback. My son recently married an African-American woman, and I worry they will leave the state because they won't want to raise children here.

I spent some time in Southern California two summers ago, and really enjoyed the ethnic and cultural diversity. That's the melting pot so many give lip service to. I loved it. I couldn't believe how old and white Maine looked on my return.

chaska

(6,794 posts)
34. What is all this with this self-hatred that white people have?
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jan 2013

Just because you're not-white does not make you right about anything. Nor does being white make you somehow evil.

STFU already. There are some seriously self-hating and stupid dems.

I used to think like you people. Then I moved to a poor mixed race neighborhood. I know better now. There but for the grace of god go you.

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