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Justin_Beach

(111 posts)
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:35 PM Jan 2013

WTP Petition : Remove United States DA from office for overreach in the case of Aaron Swartz

Posting this in General Discussion because I don't know if it's been posted (couldn't find it when I searched). So far it has 21,255 of 25,000 needed signatures:

It is too late to do anything for Aaron Swartz, but the who used the powers granted to them by their office to hound him into a position where he was facing a ruinous trial, life in prison and the ignominy and shame of being a convicted felon; for an alleged crime that the supposed victims did not wish to prosecute.

A prosecutor who does not understand proportionality and who regularly uses the threat of unjust and overreaching charges to extort plea bargains from defendants regardless of their guilt is a danger to the life and liberty of anyone who might cross her path.


[link:https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck|
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WTP Petition : Remove United States DA from office for overreach in the case of Aaron Swartz (Original Post) Justin_Beach Jan 2013 OP
Is he a Bush holdover? northoftheborder Jan 2013 #1
Nope, an Obama apointee Justin_Beach Jan 2013 #2
No, she isn't... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3
A ludicrous prosecution. The guy stole, literally NOTHING. DirkGently Jan 2013 #4
Not to mention ... Justin_Beach Jan 2013 #5
and JSTOR even changed their policies reorg Jan 2013 #6
that's not what it says on JSTOR's website dlwickham Jan 2013 #10
they also say reorg Jan 2013 #11
so where do they say that they didn't want him prosecuted dlwickham Jan 2013 #13
This petition is screaming toward 25k signatures Agony Jan 2013 #7
and the secession petitions hit those same numbers in about the same about of time if not quicker dlwickham Jan 2013 #14
the prosecutor actually in charge of the case reorg Jan 2013 #8
Can't they find any bankers or CEOs to prosecute? ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jan 2013 #9
25,015 reorg Jan 2013 #12
WH response will be dlwickham Jan 2013 #15
The white house just quadrupled the signature threshold for petitions. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #16
so they already reacted, LOL reorg Jan 2013 #18
Yep. Make no mistake. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #19
Rep Zoe Lofgren Is Introducing “Aaron’s Law” to Prevent Future CFAA Abuses Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #17
It's not a DA...it's a US Attorney who prosecutes joeybee12 Jan 2013 #20

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. No, she isn't...
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.justice.gov/usao/ma/meetattorney.html

Carmen M. Ortiz has dedicated much of her professional career to public service. Nominated by President Barack Obama, as the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, Ms. Ortiz was confirmed by the U.S. Senate in November 2009. She is the first Hispanic and the first woman to represent Massachusetts as United States Attorney.

As the chief federal law enforcement officer in Massachusetts, Ms. Ortiz supervises the prosecution of all federal crimes and the litigation of all civil matters in which the federal government has an interest. She oversees the work of more than 200 attorneys and support staff in Boston, Worcester and Springfield.

Justin_Beach

(111 posts)
5. Not to mention ...
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:32 PM
Jan 2013

JSTOR, the supposed victim in the theft of nothing, declined to prosecute and urged the DA to drop charges.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
6. and JSTOR even changed their policies
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jan 2013

following the "incident", making non-copyrighted material as well as a limited number of current articles freely available to everyone.

They admit that Aaron Swartz's prank had an "impact" on their decision.

http://about.jstor.org/news/jstor%E2%80%93free-access-early-journal-content-and-serving-%E2%80%9Cunaffiliated%E2%80%9D-users

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
10. that's not what it says on JSTOR's website
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jan 2013

The criminal investigation and today’s indictment of Mr. Swartz has been directed by the United States Attorney’s Office. It was the government’s decision whether to prosecute, not JSTOR’s. As noted previously, our interest was in securing the content. Once this was achieved, we had no interest in this becoming an ongoing legal matter.

http://about.jstor.org/news/jstor-statement-misuse-incident-and-criminal-case

doesn't say anything about urging the government to drop the charges

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
13. so where do they say that they didn't want him prosecuted
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jan 2013

I'm still waiting for someone to back up that line

I'm not accusing anyone of lying or misrepresenting JSTOR's position; I just want someone to show me where that had been said

I think this was a situation where JSTOR was damned if they did or damned if they didn't

Swartz is being made to be some kind of martyr and the powers that be at JSTOR, which unless you were an academic had probably never heard of before this, wanted to wash their hands of the whole mess

the first fact is that JSTOR and Swartz came to an agreement where Swartz would return the materials he illegally downloaded with an guarantee that none of the material would be made available for free out in cyberspace or wherever and JSTOR would accept his mea culpa

the second fact is that he still illegally downloaded something like 4 million pages of documents despite returning the materials

it's like a thief and a jewelry store agreeing to let things be if the thief returned the diamonds he stole but that the fact that he stole doesn't not go away

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
14. and the secession petitions hit those same numbers in about the same about of time if not quicker
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:38 AM
Jan 2013

what's your point?

reorg

(3,317 posts)
8. the prosecutor actually in charge of the case
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jan 2013

appears to be Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen P. Heymann, according to DOJ information:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/ma/news/2011/July/SwartzAaronPR.html

and this article, with some interesting comments from Aaron Swartz' lawyer:

Heymann was looking for "some juicy looking computer crime cases and Aaron's case, sadly for Aaron, fit the bill," Peters said. Heymann, Peters believes, thought the Swartz case "was going to receive press and he was going to be a tough guy and read his name in the newspaper."

Heymann, the deputy chief of the criminal division in the Boston-based U.S. Attorney's office, also headed the computer crimes task force there, a position Peters said "doesn't carry much prestige and respect unless you have computer crimes cases."

...

Peters said Heymann was threatening Swartz with potentially longer prison sentences if Swartz didn't accept his plea deal offers.

"He was very intransigent," Peters said of Heymann. "It was his philosophy that as you got closer to trial the plea offers only got worse. But the offer he was making was so unreasonable that having it get worse didn't concern me much."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-stephen-heymann_n_2473278.html


Total signatures right now: 24,511

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
15. WH response will be
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:39 AM
Jan 2013

this is a moot point since the charges against the defendant have been dropped

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
16. The white house just quadrupled the signature threshold for petitions.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jan 2013

Occupy Wall Street ?@OccupyWallStNYC

Practicing democracy gets harder & harder. The @whitehouse just quadrupled the signature threshold for petitions. !#%$*
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57564203-93/white-house-raises-petition-signature-threshold-to-100k/

reorg

(3,317 posts)
18. so they already reacted, LOL
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jan 2013

"AS OF JANUARY 15, 2013", one day after the demand to sack the prosecutor reached the signature threshold.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
17. Rep Zoe Lofgren Is Introducing “Aaron’s Law” to Prevent Future CFAA Abuses
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jan 2013

Stun ☠ ?@57UN

Rep Zoe Lofgren Is Introducing “Aaron’s Law” to Prevent Future CFAA Abuses
http://blog.greenpirate.org/rep-zoe-lofgren-is-introducing-aarons-law-to-prevent-future-cfaa-abuses/
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