What do you think people are doing with all of the assault weapons and ammunition

[Politicub]

that people are buying now or have on layaway at Walmart?

Do you mount your pretty guns on the wall and invite the neighbors over to have a gun christening party?

Do you throw them in a closet or under the bed and feel somehow better with yourself? Talk to it at night if you're feeling lonely.

Maybe people cuddle up to their gun in bed like it's a body pillow. Mmmmmmm that's nice.

Do multiple assault weapons owners take them out sometimes, line them up against the wall and give each one a name like a cold steel Von Trapp family? Friederich, Louisa and Gretl?

Sit in a corner surrounded by a fort made of high capacity magazines and wait for a black helicopter to appear?

And all of that ammo. Mercy. Must take up a lot of space. Just don't smoke around it.

[benld74]

1. Will we see some strange xrays being posted soon on the internets????

[Politicub]

2. ROFL

I can haz gunz up mi butt.

[Kennah]

25. Put a boogie in ya butt. Put a TV in ya butt. Put an Uzi in ya butt.

[Control-Z]

3. They are out shooting varmints,

of course. They're darned fast and one good shot just doesn't take them down properly.

[JaneyVee]

4. They forget where they place them all until a child finds the misplaced weapon.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. Some speculation but mostly storage

Ammunition can last a very long time stored properly. Same with magazines and firearms. I have some of each that are older than I am and they work better than I do these days.

Given what was announced the other day by Reid, and what Obama did today, the speculators or the late buyers may have hurt themselves financially.

[B Calm]

6. It's some sort of sick love affair

from what I see. Hell I have guns too, but I'm not in love with them like the right-wing gun loonies are!

[NYC_SKP]

7. Busted! I give them all names!

There's Pepper, and Randy, there's Daisy and BoBo!

The other day BoBo was SO funny, she fell over into Daisy and Daisy went off...

And we laughed and laughed and laughed the whole day long!!!

[Politicub]

8. You don't want to be around Daisy when she goes off

Could ruin your day and disturb the others.

[madokie]

43. LOL

[Dragonfli]

44. I call it Vera!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

57. I'll be in my bunk

eww. images of gunnuts wankering over their arsenals flit thru my head. get it out!!

[Mojorabbit]

9. What purpose does a post like this serve? nt

[Glassunion]

10. Well... We all know what happens when there is a run on guns...

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. A shark-riding, dynamite-throwing, Uzi-wielding velociraptor...

All other arguments are now rendered obsolete.

[longship]

28. But Shit! Where's the freaking LASERS on the shark's head?

And no velociraptor would go out without hand grenades.

Pitiful rendition. Pitiful!

[Mojorabbit]

17. Ok, I actually LOL'd. nt

[holdencaufield]

23. AWESOME!

[Volaris]

67. damn you ill have that image in my head the rest of the night...

and by morning I will want to pay money to see that movie.

You sir, are a bastard.

[ManiacJoe]

11. It bumps up his post count.

> And all of that ammo. Mercy. Must take up a lot of space. Just don't smoke around it.

Seriously, Politicub? Wrong on both parts....

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. None, but some think it cute though it is a bit childish

Its harmless, certainly not alert worthy.

Better questions would be:
- Could people afford what they bought?
- What percentage was bought by speculators?
- What impact will it have when the material is dumped back out on the market
- What impact will the untraceable material have?

Unless it is somehow sealed, no one should buy 2nd hand ammunition.

[holdencaufield]

32. Speculation would be pointless ...

... unless you're an FFL for the reasons you specified. No one in his right mind would buy bulk ammo from someone he didn't know. I only buy reloads if they were reloaded by someone I know well.

Given that, "stockpiling" would be a great hedge against inflation given the long-shelf life of properly stored ammunition as I don't see the prices coming down in the future.

[oneshooter]

71. I have some 1945 303 Brit and a couple of boxes of

1914 45acp. Tried a few a while back and they still fired.

[LanternWaste]

95. I'd imagine that's a relevant question too...

"Better questions would be..."

And of course, 'which ones will find their way into the organs of innocent people?'. I'd imagine that's a relevant question too...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

96. Very very few based on the # of rounds expended annually

[Turborama]

15. At a guess...

Or just...

[Go Vols]

65. none

[Auntie Bush]

89. I didn't know posts had to have a purpose.

My bad!

[Mojorabbit]

92. They don't have to but they

generally do or else why do it?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

12. Part of this is Adam Smith at work

People think these types of weapons will be banned, and will then be scarce and more expensive. So they buy now while they have the chance. Same goes with the ammunition. They think that some day it might be scarce, so they buy and horde.

[Recursion]

16. Losing money on a plan to flip them? (nt)

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Same thing mine are doing, probably.

Sitting in the safe. Unless I take them out to the range.

[backwoodsbob]

19. if they are smart

not firing them.

They will triple in value soon.

[Hoyt]

52. Yep, capitalists will seek profit off anything, no matter how damaging to society.

[ReRe]

20. They immediately take them down...

...to their little bunkers in the ground.

[PatrynXX]

21. probably doing something like this guys doing

although never could tell did he actually do that with a bat with kids watching??

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[holdencaufield]

22. "line them up against the wall and give each one a name"

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I call this one Vera ...

[AtheistCrusader]

45. The hero of canton

[holdencaufield]

48. See, Vera ...

... if you dress yourself up, you get taken someplace FUN.

[samsingh]

24. loving them, caressing them, talking to them

[holdencaufield]

26. When they talk back ...

... we recommend hearing protection.

[samsingh]

34. good point

[PatrynXX]

35. like say shooting

off ones nuts. oops maybe I shouldn't have rubbed that down there..

[defacto7]

27. If their house was on fire....

I wouldn't want to be within a mile of it. What if someone stores their weapons in an apartment building or condo. The place catches on fire... the fireworks would not be pretty. A lot of people could die in such a situation including firefighters or police.

[holdencaufield]

30. Maybe ReRe had a good idea ...

... about putting them in underground bunkers.

Important safety tip.

[defacto7]

37. I suppose the die hard (no pun intended)

would dig a hole under his house or in the back yard, but I think that probably accounts for less than 5% of those who stockpile the stuff. I mean, people who live in apartment complexes are piling up ammo. They're not digging anywhere.

[AtheistCrusader]

46. Ammo cooking off in a fire is not that big of a deal.

Firefighters see it all the time. If you get back like 20 feet, you're good. The brass case immediately splits, and the bullet goes pretty much nowhere. Basically you get little bits of brass flying, if anything. Hollywood memes aside.

Artillery dumps, not so safe.

[Travis_0004]

85. You do realize ammo is not a significant danger in a fire right?

The reason ammo shoots out of a bullet so fast is because the barrel forces all the pressure to force the bullet out at a high rate of speed. In a fire, ammo presents no significant danger. If me or you were standing by it, when the fire set the round off, we might get a small bruise where the round hit us. Nothing that won't heal in a few days.

For the firefighters, their coat and a face shield provide ample protections, and if they get hit with a round they will feel it, but feel no pain. The noise is certainly intimidating, the danger is not.

[defacto7]

93. Why would I?

but thanks for the info. Interesting.

[Hekate]

29. A guy I knew said he'd bury his 6 feet deep in the back yard...

... if the jack-booted thugs ever came for his treasure trove. This was during the Clinton Administration.

I was tired of talking with him, so I simply said, "Good idea!" and walked away.

That pretty much remains my answer to this day, because imo it is somewhat harder to get at them.

[Permanut]

31. I'm not sure..

but from what I hear from Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, and my teabagger cousin, if you have enough of 'em, you can defeat the tyrannical gubmint when they come for you. Or maybe that was the tyrannosaurus gubmint - something like that. So just keep all of 'em locked and loaded, and placed strategically around the house and car, just in case.

[marions ghost]

49. right

Gotta see that symbol of Power sitting on yr kitchen table at all times...to feel the thrill...stroke it a little...pick it up and aim it out the window...

Equipped and Ready!

(Keep it next to that bottle of viagra)

[mostlyconfused]

33. It's all to make sure the resistance is well armed

when Obama tries for a third term.

[PatrynXX]

36. which of late is a republican trick normally

but happens on both side of the isle but won't be happening with the president

[bongbong]

58. Delicate Flowers & their gunz

Those AR-15s are so good at blowing up tanks!

[Blue_In_AK]

38. I feel very sorry for people who are this paranoid.

It's a sickness.

[holdencaufield]

41. "Just because you're paranoid ...

... it doesn't mean people aren't out to get you." -- Dr Johnny Fever

[Blue_In_AK]

42. Well, I guess some people get into some very bad things

that make them feel the necessity for a gun but I personally have never been that afraid. I've been through enough turmoil in a past marriage to know that I would have been MUCH more paranoid if there had been a gun in the house. I might be dead by now. (I'll give him that; he had enough sense not to keep a firearm around here.) In my life, it has been more advantageous to my health and safety to be a peacemaker.

I have a lot of friends and relatives who hunt, and I have absolutely no problem with that as long as they use care with their weapons. My own brother died of an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound when he was 15 (I was 7), so I would hope that people would learn how to shoot from someone who knows, and be extremely careful.

Don't drink and hunt. People end up getting pissed off and shooting their buddies fairly often up here.


ed. I loved Johnny Fever, by the way. He's one of my all-time favorite TV characters.

[Separation]

39. Having some fun?

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[Zoeisright]

68. That's pathetic.

[Separation]

69. It is a pretty ridiculous post I agree.

Which is why I posted that ridiculous picture.

[Sunlei]

40. a better return than a bank CD these days especially if you store proper, don't shoot them ever.

probably a lot better return than stocks.

[JoePhilly]

47. The act of the purchase itself acts as a stress release.

For instance, sometimes when my wife gets really stressed out (maybe too much business travel), she goes out and buys shoes, or maybe a new outfit.

And her stress level goes down for a little while. I'd say about 25% of the time, she returns the purchase a few days later. She decides that whatever it was, she didn't really need it. But the shopping helped.

I suspect lots of these folks running out to the gun store are simply relieving their stress about how Obama's going to take their guns, force their wives to have abortions performed by gay OBGYNs from France, while taking their kid's bible and replacing it with the Koran, then forcing them to sing show tunes, and finally killing granny with his death panels and sending them to his FEMA work camps.

So the purchase of a 5th AR-15 and 10,000 rounds of hollow point or armor piercing ammo is like a really great anti-depressant, but with no prescription needed.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

50. I've been wondering what people whom are buying stores out of guns and ammo going to do it with it

once they realize that nobody is going to be showing up at their doorstep to confiscate anything because, for one, very few people actually support a total handgun ban, let alone confiscating currently owned guns/ammo (of any sort) and any proposed laws will almost certainly ban future purchase of guns, not pick up the ones already owned. So, are the guns just going to sit around indefinitely collecting dust? What's the rationale behind this impulse buying? How are people affording it? To what end?

[Travis_0004]

86. I would assume most of them were plainning on buying it one day, so they just bought it sooner.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

91. Good for them that they got 'em before they're gone

I guess Now they can cross one more thing off their bucket list...........

[still_one]

51. For there most part they are throwing their 400$ + money away on items they will never use.

[guardian]

53. The reasons are multifold

Why people do things are as varied as the individuals themselves. Some reasons have been discussed already such as buying to resell at a profit. Though I believe this is a very small fraction of the recent purchases. I think more prevalent reasons include the following:

* Wanting something that you can't have or may not be able to buy in the future. Nothing like being denied something (or someone) to pique interest. Many are uncertain where State and Federal gun laws are headed. So people that just had a passing interest thinking that maybe someday they would like to own XXX are buying now because they are worried that they will be unable to buy in the future.

* Anonymity. Many are worried that their purchases will be tracked in the future with gun or ammo registration. So they are buying now to avoid making purchases after tracking laws are put in place. Some are just private people and don't want others knowing about their business. Certainly that newspaper publishing the gun owner list helped drive this concern. Others are worried about gov't tracking for potential confiscation.

* Cost. Many things may drive up prices dramatically, so much so that they are buying now while they can still afford it. This is due to speculation about increased demand, potential lack of supply, increased regulatory costs of fees/taxes, etc. This goes for ammo too. How many DU threads have discussed a $1 per bullet tax or something similar? Those that can afford it are buying a lifetime supply now in case something like that comes to pass.

All in all it is the antigunner rhetoric that is driving the gun/ammo frenzy.

[Marrah_G]

56. bingo

[Marrah_G]

54. They are probably not doing anything with it

The NRA and other groups who want no regulations on guns are just whipping the ignorant masses up into a frenzy. They have these people thinking " if I don't buy one now, I wont be able to later" which frankly is a well used advertising method in everything, not just guns.

[Coyotl]

55. Some of them are preparing for warfare.

They expect a war with the government! Some want to start it ASAP even, and blame Obama.

[kestrel91316]

59. In many cases I suspect it involves masturbation.

[Undaunted]

61. I've tried, but couldn't get it to work.

[Wolf Frankula]

60. They're mounted in cases and they show them off

I have a relative who's a certified automatic weapons nut. No shit, he has passed the Federal background checks, paid the taxes, has the license and has five full auto weapons and a number of semi-auto weapons. He shows them off to people who visit his house and shoots them at ranges. So does his wife, who is an expert pistol shot.

And he's not a right winger. He's syndicalist who is a dedicated supporter of labor unions. They're not NRA members. And he told me this,

"If the army comes to take my weapons, I will give them up. Why? Because I will have no chance against a platoon of soldiers in state of the art body armor, with the state of the art automatic weapons, an infantry fighting vehicle and a helicopter gunship and artillery on call. Cold dead hands? Yes, a few cold dead hands and we'll all turn in our guns."

Wolf

[Politicub]

63. Stockpiling assault weapons will lead to more accidents in the home

If research is to be believed, and I have no reason not to believe peer reviewed studies, we are going to see an increased amount of suicide, accidental shootings and murder at the hands of a homeowner's weapon in their own home.

The group that will suffer the most is children. Unsecured guns with children around often leads to accidental shootings. Awful in its own right, it will be magnified by automatic and semiautomatic weapons.

Even if you take away the evidence provided by research, it stands to reason that more weapons and more lethal weapons in the home increases the probability of accidental discharge.

This has been a thought provoking thread. When I started it, the only reasons I could think of for people to stockpile weapons were irrational ones. So I took the approach of using absurd humor. But in reality the topic is anything but.

Actions have consequences, and the mad dash to buy all of the guns and ammo that a person can afford can only lead to negative outcomes over time.

[Wolf Frankula]

66. Gary Has No Kids

He keeps the firearms under lock and key, unloaded. The ammunition is kept in a fireproof safe (Yes I know that anything will burn if you get it hot enough,) that is always kept locked. The house has security grilles and metal core doors. Except for the two self defense pistols, the weapons are never loaded except on the range. And anyone who IS allowed to handle them, (never a child) is always supervised, not allowed to load them and reminded that this is NOT a toy. Smoking is never allowed anywhere in the house.

The problem I have with firearms is with the owners. Far too many gun owners have NEVER taken a firearms safety class, throw loaded firearms down on chairs or car seats, treat them like toys. I would like to see safety courses MANDATORY before you can buy a firearm. We require you to show you know how to drive a car before you can get a drivers license. Why shouldn't you have to show you know how to handle a firearm safely before you can own a gun?

I am not anti-gun. My wife and I have pistols, I have a 1950s Lee-Enfield rifle I target shoot with and we have black powder firearms. Our ammunition is kept locked in safes and the black powder for the pistols and musket is kept locked in a safe in the garage which is separate from the house. But a home invader is more likely to be met with a sword than a gun. The wife and I know how to use them.

What I don't understand is why Gary started buying automatic weapons. He has never told me.

Wolf

[Politicub]

70. I meant over the population. Sorry you thought I was talking about your friend.

He sounds like he's pretty responsible.

I grew up around guns and my dad hunts. He taught me how to shoot and do it safely.

But he thinks the anti-government assault-riffle gun hoarders are nuts.

There are many responsible gun owners out there. But the crazy people - and there are a lot of them - have more influence than they should.

There are more of us than them so maybe the tide will finally turn.

And you and your wife knowing how to use a sword for defense makes the two of you officially awesome!

[malthaussen]

62. Fondling.

I'll say no more...

-- Mal

[MicaelS]

64. When ammunition burns in a fire, it's not a big explosion.

Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter

[Travis_0004]

87. The making of this video is the real reason for the ammo shortage

There is no ammo to buy because SAMMI bought them all.

[bluestate10]

72. Most of the people are doing legitimate target shooting.

We shouldn't ban assault weapons of high capacity clips. But we should regulate where they can be used and how they need to be stored and secured. The federal and state governments should set up safe, regulated shooting ranges where high assault weapons and high capacity clips can be used for target practice and shooting games. But, but those guns and clips should go into secure gun lockers that are maintained at the shooting ranges once the owners have done their shooting. Federal and state governments should regulate the ranges and do periodic audits to insure that the ranges are following gun use and control regulations. People should be allowed to have registered pistols that have capacity no larger than 10 rounds at home and be required to register them and keep them in gun safes. If a person can't defend their home with a 10 round gun, that person shouldn't have a gun.

[Politicub]

73. But why do people need them? Recreation doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason

when weighed against the negative impacts to society.

[oldhippie]

74. Excellent post ....

Really makes one think, doesn't it?

[Politicub]

75. Thank you

It has provided a lot of good food for thought. And no one has been able to give a better reason than because they just want to so they can play with them, show them off or fend off the gubmint.

None of which are more important than the public interest in banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

[BlueStreak]

76. Here's what they AREN'T doing

Spending that money on dental appointments for the kids.

Taking time to read a book to their children.

Put the money into the kids' college fund.

etc. etc. etc.

Yes, I know that is a broad stereotype, but the kind of people who are obsessed with these things are generally not the best and brightest the country has to offer. If there weren't such a strong inverse correlation between IQ and obsession with these things, I wouldn't be nearly as concerned as I am.

[Politicub]

80. +1

[southernyankeebelle]

77. WalMart doesn't have layaway anymore. They started it up again only during christmas holidays.

I have a good friend who works at WalMart and she said when someone wants to buy a gun she tells them to come back in the morning because they have to do paperwork. She will not sell any guns. If someone wants to look at them she calls a department manager so the customer can look at them.

[Duckhunter935]

81. yep full background check

managers approval and sign off and manager hand carried the boxed rifle out of the store

[southernyankeebelle]

82. Oh, I checked with my friend. Your right. I didn't know that. I wish they wouldn't sell them

in the store. They look out of place.

[Politicub]

84. In one of the walmart Christmas circulars there was this machine-gun looking thing

Offered as a Black Friday deal.

[Travis_0004]

88. So if somebody calls she lies to them becuase she doesn't want to sell a gun?

That doesn't make any sense. If she doesn't want to handle gun sales, why doesn't she go work in a different department?

[southernyankeebelle]

90. That isn't her department but sometimes she has to cover the area. She works nights. She usally

works in toys or electronics. Sometimes they move them to different areas where they need help stocking.

[crazyjoe]

78. maybe go to the range and shoot them?

[Politicub]

79. Just because people want to play with them isn't a compelling reason to

not have sensible gun control.

[jillan]

83. I'd like to know too. Great post!

[XRubicon]

94. These are major investments to them

Like investing in Beanie Babies or commemorative W plates from the Franklin Mint with .001 grams of .9999 pure gold plating.

They'll be laughing all the way to the bank in 20 years.