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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:24 PM Jan 2013

Bradley Manning's prosecutor MUST prove he intended to "aid the enemy".

This is great news, or seems so on the face of it. This sounds like a VERY
tall order for the prosecutor to PROVE what was or wasn't going on in
Manning's mind in the first place, much less prove that Manning INTENDED
to be helping some "enemy" of USA's over-reaching Imperialistic Military and
Intelligence Forces, whoever the fuck that might be.

Isn't this great news for Bradley Manning's chances at the end of the day to
be found "not guilty"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bradley-manning-judge-prosecutors-must-prove-he-knew-he-was-aiding-the-enemy/2013/01/16/934a8568-6018-11e2-a389-ee565c81c565_story.html

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Bradley Manning's prosecutor MUST prove he intended to "aid the enemy". (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 OP
Mens rea is a part of most crimes Recursion Jan 2013 #1
Please show me where in this article, or elsewhere, that "prosecution was asking for" this? 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #2
Because this was a set of rulings Recursion Jan 2013 #3
Never-the-less, evidence of motive is a separate issue from needing to prove "aiding the enemy" 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #4
That's fair Recursion Jan 2013 #5
Good to know 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #6
Sorry. He can try to show he didn't know he was indirectly helping the enemy by DevonRex Jan 2013 #7
I have a feeling that Manning will walk madokie Jan 2013 #8
I'm afraid I agree Recursion Jan 2013 #10
It's a difficult case for the prosecutor, but winnable. agentS Jan 2013 #9

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. Mens rea is a part of most crimes
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jan 2013

And that's a pretty weird spin on the judge granting what the prosecution was asking for.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. Please show me where in this article, or elsewhere, that "prosecution was asking for" this?
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jan 2013

I re-read the OP article and I didn't see that anywhere.

could you please back up your statements with a link or
quote/source or something credible?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Because this was a set of rulings
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jan 2013

The important one being that Manning cannot present evidence of motive.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. Never-the-less, evidence of motive is a separate issue from needing to prove "aiding the enemy"
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jan 2013

And speaking of evidence, you still are just making assertions without anything to back them up.

You may be correct, and I'm open to learning more, or looking at my own blind spot (if there
really is one); but I don't just take a random person's word for it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. That's fair
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jan 2013

I'm on my iPhone so it's not really easy to link; obviously, use your own judgement.

And as a caveat I'm not a fan of Manning. My fiancée wrote some of the cables he leaked.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
6. Good to know
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jan 2013

.. your perspective. thanks.

feel free to get back to me later, once you're on your 'puter.

peace out. ~99th

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
7. Sorry. He can try to show he didn't know he was indirectly helping the enemy by
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:23 PM
Jan 2013

giving the documents to WikiLeaks, which then were found on Osama Bin Laden's computer (by the Navy SEALS).

He can try. The facts speak for themselves in this case.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
8. I have a feeling that Manning will walk
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jan 2013

and they know that and thats why they treated him so badly before the trial.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
9. It's a difficult case for the prosecutor, but winnable.
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jan 2013

It won't be a death penalty case, but he will see some form of punishment. Probably 1 more year plus time served.

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