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rainy

(6,091 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:17 PM Jan 2013

Honestly, is there hope for the human race? What say you DU?

I'm finding all the killers, gun maniacs, hate mongers, climate deniers, banksters, corporatists, factory farming, amazon forest destroying, animal killing, raping, abusing etc., etc., etc. in the world so overwhelming that as much as I try I can't see a way to fix it and it makes me so sad and left with feelings of despair for my fellow humans. I sometimes think that we are turning the corner, becoming more enlightened, more compassionate. I do see much of that happening but then I read the news and I just shake my head.
Uggggggggg!

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Honestly, is there hope for the human race? What say you DU? (Original Post) rainy Jan 2013 OP
We're looking pretty good. bluedigger Jan 2013 #1
Maybe you should be more selective of and limit 2naSalit Jan 2013 #2
Your advise is very suited for this time. I just rainy Jan 2013 #7
"Doesn't fit the pogrom" Fumesucker Jan 2013 #63
There are some bad things we do, no doubt Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3
Ha ha u are old, I should know:) rainy Jan 2013 #8
In the year 1 Million and a Half FrodosPet Jan 2013 #17
I was actually pondering that this morning while running errands - what I just don't get... NRaleighLiberal Jan 2013 #4
Thanks for the insightful reply rainy Jan 2013 #9
The meaning of life is simple. DNA promotion. Thats it. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #14
Yes. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #5
+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #19
I believe there is hope. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #6
So true, thanks rainy Jan 2013 #10
After we're forced to return to being hunter-gatherers, a few of us may survive. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #11
I did security at a parking lot last week TrogL Jan 2013 #12
The very fact that your biggest problem is thoughtless people parking inconsiderately Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #21
that is what you got from that post? Skittles Jan 2013 #52
Honestly? Not really. nruthie Jan 2013 #13
Certainly. The squeaky wheels are getting a lot of grease but most of us are pretty cool. nolabear Jan 2013 #15
Truthfully? 99Forever Jan 2013 #16
I think so, but I get my facts from things other than American evening news. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #18
Historical perspective helps. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #20
Im sorry, i dont mean to take this thread in the wrong direction darkangel218 Jan 2013 #22
I did mention Adolf Hitler. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #24
I guess i missunderstood, sorry. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #28
No, we're fucked. Two words: climate change. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #23
Change starts with you. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #25
Nope Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #26
No, we're not "fucked". Sorry but no. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #29
Doubtful Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #30
Selfish and shortsighted? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #33
Yes, selfish and shortsighted. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #34
Europeans would chose the same , if given the oportunity darkangel218 Jan 2013 #35
Partly incorrect Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #39
Of course ive noticed the weather anomalities. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #41
Nah, the world will go on without us, one way or another Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #46
Well then.. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #47
Have to agree with you there. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #54
Are we going to start soon? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #49
I know... :( darkangel218 Jan 2013 #50
It basically is too late NoOneMan Jan 2013 #51
This is a point I've been making for some time. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #58
selecting paper instead of plastic won't cut it datasuspect Jan 2013 #73
Bwahahahaha! ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #31
Country music... darkangel218 Jan 2013 #38
Collateral damage. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #42
Youve let the Abyss drown you way too much. ; ) darkangel218 Jan 2013 #44
Country music came to an end a long time ago. kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #45
It pains me to see how.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #43
when the supply chain breaks down datasuspect Jan 2013 #77
TBH..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #59
Except this isn't about trying to get rid of nuclear weapons Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #60
I hope so. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #27
Yes! We are transforming right now Tumbulu Jan 2013 #32
I'm with you, Tumbulu, and for rainy... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #69
Oh I want a "like" button! Tumbulu Jan 2013 #71
President Camacho has a 3 point plan Kennah Jan 2013 #36
Links, plz? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #57
Here ya go Kennah Jan 2013 #65
One problem. moondust Jan 2013 #37
+1000 darkangel218 Jan 2013 #40
You mean "hope" as in we can keep exploiting the earth without limits? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #48
The human race isn't any different from the past. Kablooie Jan 2013 #53
I Know It Looks Bad werknotgoin2takeit Jan 2013 #55
There is indeed some reason to be hopeful. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #56
No See this DU post as evidence stultusporcos Jan 2013 #61
within reasonable limits, depending on what you hope for, quaker bill Jan 2013 #62
no 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #64
Hey!!! greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #66
Our species is only special because we can tell ourselves that we are. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #67
hail the lowly sponge! datasuspect Jan 2013 #79
I do see hope for the human race Canuckistanian Jan 2013 #68
Do something different. MineralMan Jan 2013 #70
i for one wait for the great comet or asteroid to cleanse this planet of the human virus datasuspect Jan 2013 #72
But then everything would be gone. The trees, the birds, the kittens.. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #74
the earth can heal itself datasuspect Jan 2013 #75
:( darkangel218 Jan 2013 #78
Define hope. Is it simply survival of the species? If so, I have to say yes. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #76
you may not accept the premise in this video below..but please consider it Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #80
We... deathrind Jan 2013 #81
For heaven's sake,read some history books. The human race hasn't changed. virgogal Jan 2013 #82
On a long enough timeline... NeoGreen Jan 2013 #83

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
1. We're looking pretty good.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:32 PM
Jan 2013

We have expanded our habitat to nearly every ecological niche on the planet, so we should be very difficult to completely eradicate.

Now our civilization, well, that's fucked and unsustainable, and probably won't survive the century.

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
2. Maybe you should be more selective of and limit
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jan 2013

your exposure to the news. They are part of the divide and conquer scheme, that's why there are only five corporate media sources.

I went through that recently and decided to work on being a source of positive energy and try to encourage others to do the same. That is what is going to bring about change, not anger or violent reaction to the BS that bombards us on an hourly basis. there's a lot of good out there, we are just kept from being told about it because it doesn't fit the pogrom.

Give it a try, it takes some self discipline but it gets easier the more you practice it. Find some starting point and tell yourself that you choose to have a positive perspective about it, no matter what it is. My New Year's resolution is to be positive on the two blogs I participate in, this being one of them, and promote positivity at every opportunity when I have chosen to say something. It will make a difference for you and everyone you communicate with and encounter.

rainy

(6,091 posts)
7. Your advise is very suited for this time. I just
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jan 2013

started reading "The Untethered Soul" and it's message is similar to what you are saying. I've been interested in mindfulness training for some time now.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. There are some bad things we do, no doubt
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jan 2013

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
17. In the year 1 Million and a Half
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jan 2013

Humankind is enslaved by giraffes. Mankind must pay for his misdeeds, when the treetops are stripped of their leaves.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
4. I was actually pondering that this morning while running errands - what I just don't get...
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jan 2013

What is the most precious thing, supposedly? Life. We are born, and then life becomes - what? - preservation of life, avoiding harm, going to doctors, staying healthy. We have this big industrial machine to do what? Defend us, keep us living. (Of course, so do other countries).

And what quickly happens? Conflict, fights, we abuse our bodies with bad food and drugs and overdrinking and smoking - we drive fast, we protect our guns....damn, look at all of the killing done in the name of religion and any particular group's deity.

What I was really thinking this morning, more than is there any hope, was that if you take a broad view, "it" often makes no sense at all. Humans are just such flawed creatures.

So what do we do? What we can - make a life, find a loved one, care for our children, learn, develop - we do whatever we can to give our lives some meaning and make sense out of it all. As I get older, I am tending to go more "micro" than macro - avoiding things that piss me off, doing more of the things I love.

Odd thing to think about on #57 birthday eve...but your post was in synchronicity with my thoughts today.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
6. I believe there is hope.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:41 PM
Jan 2013

The good people always outweigh the bad. It might not be an easy ride, but we can all make a difference in our world, whatever big or small we may consider it or ourselves.
I have days like that too, when I feel all hope is lost. But I realize is just a feeling. Remember the smile of a homeless man when you give him a few dollars? That few dollars will get him through the day, wether is for food or a beer. Remember last time you fed a stray kitten? How fast she was eating, and looking up at you? Remember how you left with tears in your eyes?
There are billions of good people on this planet. People with a heart. The ones who don't feel for their fellow humans are in extreme minority.

Don't ever lose hope.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
11. After we're forced to return to being hunter-gatherers, a few of us may survive.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jan 2013

Then, maybe 100,000 years from now we'll take another shot at this thing called "civilization". Maybe we'll get it right next time.

We had one bottleneck event 200,000 years ago, and we're facing another. It's probably a toss-up whether the species will survive. There are those that would argue we are too wide spread to be exterminated, but what if 80% of the earth's surface becomes uninhabitable. There was a time in the distant past when only the regions north of the arctic circle could support ANY life. That could happen again.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
12. I did security at a parking lot last week
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jan 2013

It does double-duty as the lot for a community league and a couple of ethnic stores. There are about 50 spaces in total. Big signs were posted that the lot was closed and barricades were up. They had closed the entire street for a fair and were using the lot for parking for performers, technicians and the handicapped. We were also letting people in and out to the stores. Because of the increased traffic, the city had put big signs up prohibiting parking on the street approaching the lot.

What part of...


  1. The lot is full.
  2. You cannot get through, the street is closed, get over it.
  3. If I tell you to park in *that* spot, do not park in a completely different spot blocking three cars from getting out.
  4. If I tell you to park in front of the blue van, do not park in the far side of the lot, opposite to where you want to go, blocking the dumpster.
  5. If I tell you to park in the little spot in front of the dumpster that doesn't block the truck trying to get it out, do not park beside the dumpster blocking all incoming and outgoing traffic.
  6. Do not run over my foot.
  7. Do not attempt to run me over and kill me.
  8. If I tell you to leave the lot exiting straight, do not turn left down the alley. There's a truck stopped there. Do not bother honking at the truck for 10 minutes. It ain't moving. It's supposed to be there. You're not.
  9. If I tell you to stop going into the alley so the truck can get out, don't go down the alley. Everybody else is going to follow you and you're all going to get jammed in there.


... don't people understand.

I grieve for humanity.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
21. The very fact that your biggest problem is thoughtless people parking inconsiderately
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jan 2013

is a very encouraging sign for humanity in general.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
52. that is what you got from that post?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:21 AM
Jan 2013

lack of civility is the first part of the breakdown of society and I see it more and more

nruthie

(466 posts)
13. Honestly? Not really.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jan 2013

I truly believe that the human race is devolving. We're sliding backward at an alarming rate. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
15. Certainly. The squeaky wheels are getting a lot of grease but most of us are pretty cool.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jan 2013

There's a WHOLE lot going on out there that never gets any attention. A lot of it is really remarkable.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
16. Truthfully?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jan 2013

The problems keep getting larger and more devastating and we keep becoming more and more unwilling to to do a damn thing about them. We've killed our Mother Earth and the human race will receive the just penalty for that. Think of it as Karma, on a planetary scale.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. Historical perspective helps.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:21 AM
Jan 2013

We no longer enslave black people, or ban them from the lunch counter. We do, however, elect them President.

In Europe yes, we worry about the Greek budget deficit and whether the Euro will collapse. But we don't have to worry about an insane megalomaniac invading every country he can and sending millions of people to extermination camps. And we don't have to worry about our sons being drafted to go over there to stop him.

Russia may not be the most wonderful country but at least our kids are not doing duck and cover drills on a regular basis.

Things aren't perfect. But we are moving in the right direction.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
22. Im sorry, i dont mean to take this thread in the wrong direction
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jan 2013

But I can't help but notice that you're only seeing the world and human race from the perspective of our country.
We should care about the whole world, not just our report with it. We are not special. We should treat all world citizens with respect and compassion..

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. I did mention Adolf Hitler.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jan 2013

I think most Europeans would acknowledge that things today are not as bad as they have been in the past.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
28. I guess i missunderstood, sorry.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:33 AM
Jan 2013

Sometimes people forget there is a vast world beyond our borders.

We have it pretty easy here in the US. We are blessed we live here. The rest of the world doesn't have it so easy.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
23. No, we're fucked. Two words: climate change.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:27 AM
Jan 2013

That's the only issue that really matters. Anything else pales in significance. And efforts? Not enough.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
26. Nope
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:31 AM
Jan 2013

we're fucked. Because of Americans driving every-fucking-where, and because of China, and India. I already don't drive and walk or use public transit (because I live in a country where that's possible, unlike the USA).

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
29. No, we're not "fucked". Sorry but no.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:35 AM
Jan 2013

We can stop the global warming. It is doable. But not if we proclaim defeat.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
30. Doubtful
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:37 AM
Jan 2013

are you going to stop driving? Using electricity? No? Multiply that by three hundred million equally selfish and shortsighted Americans. And throw in several hundred million in the expanding Chinese middle class and elsewhere. Carbon neutrality isn't happening anytime soon.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
33. Selfish and shortsighted?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jan 2013

We don't have the means of public transportation that exists in Europe and elsewhere. Also, United States is a lot larger than any European country or Israel. I grew up in Europe and I know how realiable public transportation is out there.

We could improve the infrastructure here. And China and India... Well if we start giving the jobs back to the American people, much of that out of control polution and poisoning will go away.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
34. Yes, selfish and shortsighted.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jan 2013

Cities are built for cars, not people. And most people given the option will drive rather than walk. And don't much care about whatever impact their lifestyle choices may or may not be having on the environment. (See the number of people who'll choose a 35 mile commute and a house in the suburbs with more room than they really need over an apartment closer to where they work.)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
35. Europeans would chose the same , if given the oportunity
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jan 2013

The price of gasoline keeps them in check in that aspect though.
I am not disagreeing with you, what you're saying its true, but its all reversable. The key is not to give up. If we do, we deserve our own doom.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
39. Partly incorrect
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jan 2013

Europe also has planning and development policies that protect "greenbelt" and arable land (unlike most of the USA).

And we probably deserve our own doom anyway. But have you been paying attention? Did you notice the weather, this past year? Or, right now? Unseasonably warm in most of North America (and record low temperatures on forfucksake SAN DIEGO where it's been below freezing, which is unheard of), record highs and wildfires in Australia, blizzards in the UK, extreme and noticeable changes in weather patterns and climate are observable pretty much everywhere. Somehow the words "too little, too late" come to mind (sure, we can mitigate some of the effects, but we've probably reached a tipping point, and I don't really see a major lifestyle change happening for most people).

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
41. Of course ive noticed the weather anomalities.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:08 AM
Jan 2013

But what is your answer? Accept defeat and do nothing about it? This world and its inahabitants are too beautiful to just say that its over. Animals and plants have not done anything wrong. We, the humanity have fuct things up, and its our duty to at least try to stop it from going even more downhill than it already has.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
46. Nah, the world will go on without us, one way or another
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:48 AM
Jan 2013

humans are just another of the many species that's flourished on the planet in its billions of years. Human society and what we call "civilisation"? Probably doomed. The planet? that'll go on.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
47. Well then..
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:50 AM
Jan 2013

I guess the global warming is like the fever one develops when infected with a bacteria or virus..

......

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
54. Have to agree with you there.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:22 AM
Jan 2013

I have always chosen to live in the city - people always say how can I pay the rent, but then I don't have the commuting costs that they do, which probably equals things out - I walk, take the T or a taxi sometimes.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
51. It basically is too late
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:44 AM
Jan 2013

Aside from some geo-engineering feat that likely poison our planet, we have enough carbon in the atmosphere to cook our goose for the next hundred years (and we cannot put that 100-200ppm back in the bottle within our lifetimes). To make matters worse, we are spewing ever more as the breakdown begins and the positive feedbacks kick in. We are in for the long death throes of industrial civilization, which apparently is clueless to its own demise based on how its churning out emissions.

If you want to not go in the first wave, get to somewhere where the crops aren't going to start completely dying off from heat and drought in the next few decades. Get your head right and stop slaving to keep the behemoth economy chugging forward, until it collapses on you. But whatever you do, love every minute. Were going to be running short of those. A lot of us anyway.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
73. selecting paper instead of plastic won't cut it
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jan 2013

bringing your own shopping bag won't cut.

recycling - try again.

taking the bus - nope.

we need the earth, she doesn't need us.

in terms of geological time - the earth will be fine.

we humans, not so much.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
38. Country music...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jan 2013

Ahh.. the horror..
*sighs*

So would rock / metal, if all would come to an end. ; )

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
45. Country music came to an end a long time ago.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jan 2013

I never appreciated it when it was alive. I do now, but it's too late!
(sniff)

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
43. It pains me to see how..
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jan 2013

... much resistance to the awful truth there is, even here on DU. If someone would please lay out their magic plan of how we can go about reversing (because just slowing isn't going to cut it) the damage we've done and continue to do to this planet, I'm all ears.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
77. when the supply chain breaks down
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jan 2013

when there is massive civil insurrection

when the gun nuts shoot you for your food, water, and fuel

when the police, first responders, and military panic . . .

when thunderstorms become miniature land hurricanes (oh, they already are?)

that's when people will wake up.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
59. TBH.....
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:58 AM
Jan 2013

Nobody doubts that climate change has the potential to get pretty bad, that much is true.

However, though, being the rational person that I am, I've also been able(unlike some people!) to put things in perspective: If you're old enough to remember the Cold War, you'll know that, at one point we had about 40,000 nuclear weapons at our disposal, about a fifth of them strategic. Had we gone into it with the Soviets at any point after the Cuban Missile Crisis, particularly in the '70s or '80s and with our full strategic arsenal.....the more immediate short-term impacts (50-100 years or so) on civilization, would almost certainly dwarf those of ANY plausible climate change scenario....yes, even the worst cases. Hell, even Apophis blowing up central China or a pandemic wouldn't be enough to destroy civilization as we know it entirely! A thermonuclear war, on the other hand, might just have done the trick; we can continue researching ways to mitigate climate change(sadly, reducing emissions may not be enough to keep us below 2*C pretty soon.)over the years, as well as adapting, by changing personal habits and such(which is happening, albeit not quite as quickly as most of us would like, I'd imagine). But you can't adapt to radiation and the blotting of the sun by nuclear winter(and then nuclear summer which may follow afterwards). And once the missiles had flown, there'd be no turning back; the Apocalypse would then by truly inevitable. We should be very thankful that we face no such conundrum with climate change, and that we have an opprotunity to effect positive change.



 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
60. Except this isn't about trying to get rid of nuclear weapons
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:01 AM
Jan 2013

this is about greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere that we can't do anything about; we could shut off industrial civilisation completely, today, and the process would still go inexorably forward regardless. And really it's kind of rich to talk about "changing personal habits" in a country where most of the debate about energy and the environment is around "clean coal" and fracking.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
32. Yes! We are transforming right now
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:39 AM
Jan 2013

look around- you will see it. We are in a metamorphosis right now for the better- the way better.

I used to be terribly pessimistic (decades), but recently have felt such a fundamental shift.

I am actually excited.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
69. I'm with you, Tumbulu, and for rainy...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jan 2013

I have tremendous hope.

I've always had great faith in Humanity, in spite of the horrors we see all around, but I do have more hope than ever.









Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
71. Oh I want a "like" button!
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jan 2013

unlike you I used to have NO FAITH in humanity. In fact I was certain it was doomed and taking all life along with it on our planet. I held these views for a good 3 decades.

Now I spend each day in awe of the preciousness of our lives and am sensing very strongly that we are now capable and willing and wanting to fix the wrongs and make the world even more biologically diverse and healthier.

moondust

(19,973 posts)
37. One problem.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:51 AM
Jan 2013

The growing world population needs more jobs. Corporate capitalism is in the business of destroying jobs by squeezing out more productivity, downsizing, and automation, all in the name of greater profitability. More people + fewer jobs = all kinds of problems.

Your mission, should you accept, is to invent an economic system that rewards job creation instead of job destruction.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
40. +1000
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:01 AM
Jan 2013

Also, education about procreation. We are curently multiplying at an alarming rate. That's defenetly something that needs to be adressed. But sadly the conservative fundies think the more the merrier. Ugh...

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
48. You mean "hope" as in we can keep exploiting the earth without limits?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:30 AM
Jan 2013

Or hope as in we figure out a way to enjoy hucking spears and chilling out in our free time?

Probably neither. Civilization is destroying itself. We will be forced to decomplexify and deleverage our lives on the run from catastrophic ecosystem breakdown.

Maybe when the dust settles we can figure out how to go on without assholing it up. Probably not. Maybe a few hundred thousand years down the pipe, something "better" is around. Thats what we can hope for.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
53. The human race isn't any different from the past.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:06 AM
Jan 2013

All that discrimination, selfishness and unjust behavior is just part of who we are.
History has shown that over and over.

Hope for the world, now that might be a different thing.
We are irreversibly changing the world and it may destroy the progression of civilization.
This also has happened before too in Egypt, Greece, Rome and I'm sure in many other societies.
Our current culture and society may be forced to change before long into something very foreign to our current way of life. Within our own lives, maybe, maybe not. But humanity keeps on going. Suffering may increase but that's nothing new.

Our mistake is thinking that we have moved beyond all the trials and tribulations of history. We haven't. We are simply moving through a new phase of them and will be stuck repeating the past whether we like it or not.

The best we can do is to stay flexible and enjoy what we've got now.

werknotgoin2takeit

(172 posts)
55. I Know It Looks Bad
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:25 AM
Jan 2013

I feel the same way you do in that the problems of the modern world can seem so overwhelming, so much so that you just want to crawl up into a little ball and hope that you can just survive through it. In the end, it is knowing your history that can help you. There has been so much that we have gone through. The end of times has come and gone again and again in our history and will come again. Those who lived through the Black Death thought that they were in the end times as did those who saw the first world war and the Spanish Flu wipe out whole generations. War, famine, death and disease stalk us as does the lion the gazelle. In the end, it is only our desire to grow and change that will save us. That change is in the wind right now, and you and I and every one who is ready to make this a better world is part of it. Don't give up, although I understand why you would want to. I see so much evil in the world that I don't think it can ever be changed. In the end, I know that there is more of us then them and I want to believe that right can overcome might. History says it is so, even though many lives may be lost in the effort. As long as there is enough of us who see the world we want to make, who are willing to work for it even if it is in small ways, who are willing to talk to others and share our beliefs, that is the tidal wave. We can be the 100th monkey. We are all the change we can believe in. Right now I can feel it. It may be too late for most of mankind but I think that we will pull through in the end. I just want the end to be a much better world for all those who inhabit it.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
56. There is indeed some reason to be hopeful.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:39 AM
Jan 2013

Well, firstly, we made it thru the Cold War, that's a major plus.....am I right? (I mean, come on, let's be honest with ourselves; if we, or the Soviets had pressed the button, and if we shot off our whole arsenal.....let's just say it'd make even the worst plausible climate change, or Apophis impact, or pandemic scenarios look like a walk in the park, in terms of the probability of the total destruction of civilization.)

Truth is, we do still have a ways to go, but based on my observations over the years, we are indeed turning the corner, bit by bit(And I'm not just talking about social progress, either?). Only question is, how many more hurdles will we have to face before we can finally do so?

All I can say is, never give up, and never give in, no matter what. )

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
62. within reasonable limits, depending on what you hope for,
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:14 AM
Jan 2013

and when you expect it to happen. Change is inevitable and constant. Individuals may or may not change, but generations rise and then pass. My kid's generation takes as obvious and true some things my parents generation did not accept at all and my generation is still arguing about.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
67. Our species is only special because we can tell ourselves that we are.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:23 PM
Jan 2013

Whereas, the lowly sponges have been around a lot longer than we have and will probably still be around long after we're gone.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
68. I do see hope for the human race
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jan 2013

As long as it manages to disassociate itself from the American model of sustainability.

Greed, waste and ignorance are NOT survival strategies.

I know America is not alone in these sins. But the American MODEL is at fault here.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
70. Do something different.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:58 PM
Jan 2013

Go volunteer somewhere. Help someone. Visit people in nursing homes.You will meet many people doing the same things. Stop focusing on the negative and you will learn things.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
72. i for one wait for the great comet or asteroid to cleanse this planet of the human virus
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

we don't deserve the Earth.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
74. But then everything would be gone. The trees, the birds, the kittens..
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jan 2013

Nope, asteroid not on my menu.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
75. the earth can heal itself
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jan 2013

humans are incapable of great healing.

they only bring massive suffering.

the earth will be here until the sun blows up. that's a loooooong time.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
76. Define hope. Is it simply survival of the species? If so, I have to say yes.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jan 2013

Is it the realization of our potential? Then I have to say, not that I can see.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
81. We...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jan 2013

...as a species are circling the drain... Climate change over the next 100 yrs or so will put us back centuries. It won't eradicate us but it will force us to re-evaluate or existence.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
83. On a long enough timeline...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:10 PM
Jan 2013

...everyones (species) survival rate is zero.

The real question has always been, how close are you (we) to the end of timeline...

Enjoy what you have while you can and love the one(s) you're with, because...

No one gets out alive.




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