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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:36 PM Jan 2013

Scientist Seeks 'Adventurous Human Woman' For Neanderthal Baby

'Adventurous’ Woman Needed as Surrogate for Neanderthal Baby
Are you an adventurous human woman? Adventurous enough to be a surrogate mother for the first Neanderthal baby to be born in 30,000 years?

Harvard geneticist George Church recently told Der Spiegel he's close to developing the necessary technology to clone a Neanderthal, at which point all he'd need is an "adventurous human woman" — einen abenteuerlustigen weiblichen Menschen — to act as a surrogate mother.

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What would that entail? According to a 2008 study of a Neanderthal infant skeleton (from which the above image is taken), "the head of the Neanderthal newborn was somewhat longer than that of a human newborn because of its relatively robust face," and Neanderthal women generally had a wider birth canal than human women. Neanderthal birth was simpler than human birth, because Neanderthal infants didn't have to rotate to get to the birth canal, but otherwise the processes were very similar. (Even so, I imagine all but the most adventurous of human women would opt for a C-section in this case.)

Once the baby's out, though, you're in good shape — Neanderthal babies are thought to have grown much more quickly than their human counterparts. And Church seems to think that there'll be a Neanderthal craze, as he told Bloomberg Businessweek last year:


"We have lots of Neanderthal parts around the lab. We are creating Neanderthal cells. Let's say someone has a healthy, normal Neanderthal baby. Well, then, everyone will want to have a Neanderthal kid. Were they superstrong or supersmart? Who knows? But there's one way to find out."



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Scientist Seeks 'Adventurous Human Woman' For Neanderthal Baby (Original Post) kpete Jan 2013 OP
ok, this is just creepy and the scientist is a caricature cali Jan 2013 #1
As opposed to a NON-human woman? Anyway, this guy is DEMENTED! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #2
Oh. Well. Those who hate GMOs are really going to hate this. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3
it might be O.K. now but the "teen years" might be tough Botany Jan 2013 #4
Oh, is that what we are calling them now? I am so used to "Tea Baggers" JanMichael Jan 2013 #5
+1 +++ +++ n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #15
just because you might warrior1 Jan 2013 #6
Great idea.... MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #7
i've never wished to be a woman before datasuspect Jan 2013 #8
Doubtful on this IDemo Jan 2013 #9
I often wonder what's going on in hidden labs / demented labs, etc., gov. or otherwise. I bet there RKP5637 Jan 2013 #10
Oh HELL no. HELL no. nolabear Jan 2013 #11
Never happen. longship Jan 2013 #12
Well, half-Neanderthal has already been done. gulliver Jan 2013 #13
There was a very interesting science fiction story that took a twist on this idea: petronius Jan 2013 #14
we need more republicans????????????????????????????????????????????????????? dembotoz Jan 2013 #16
Mr Church, sir, No. We already have enough republicans. wandy Jan 2013 #17
Church interview (Spiegel International) frogmarch Jan 2013 #18
My DNA says I'm 2.8% Neanderthal Thirties Child Jan 2013 #19
That's very cool that frogmarch Jan 2013 #22
Just about everyone temporary311 Jan 2013 #23
Meh - I'm part Neanderthal AND Denisovan jpak Jan 2013 #26
These will be Indigo Neanderthal children, right? Morning Dew Jan 2013 #20
Redheads preferred..... whistler162 Jan 2013 #21
Just offer the subject a reality tv show Incitatus Jan 2013 #24
+1 LeftInTX Jan 2013 #25
"everyone will want to have a Neanderthal kid" Beartracks Jan 2013 #27
They already got one response jmowreader Jan 2013 #28
What happened to all the miniature mammoths TlalocW Jan 2013 #29
Call Octomom's agent jberryhill Jan 2013 #30
We already have too many Republicans, don't need to clone any more. nt NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #31
I'd say Michele Bachman Last Stand Jan 2013 #32
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. Oh. Well. Those who hate GMOs are really going to hate this.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Jan 2013

If you don't like cloning, I would suggest you get a bucket and a mop to clean up after your head explodes.



(but seriously, anyone who uses the popular press for scientific breakthroughs is highly suspect.)

Botany

(70,483 posts)
4. it might be O.K. now but the "teen years" might be tough
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jan 2013


BTW do they make cream of mastodon baby food?

JanMichael

(24,881 posts)
5. Oh, is that what we are calling them now? I am so used to "Tea Baggers"
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

but, "Neanderthal" has a certain ring to it.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
9. Doubtful on this
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jan 2013

I find it very hard to believe that he is either actively seeking a volunteer, that a cloning attempt would succeed, or that it wouldn't violate ethics laws in any Western nation. I think it is more likely a wink of the eye by Church for some publicity.

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
10. I often wonder what's going on in hidden labs / demented labs, etc., gov. or otherwise. I bet there
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jan 2013

is some really really strange sh** going on ... someplace ...

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
11. Oh HELL no. HELL no.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jan 2013

Can you imagine giving birth to a child that is the subject of debate over its humanity, is an experiment, has no other creature like it on the face of the earth? That poor infant, and child, and adult.

Reminds me of Bradbury's "The Ugly Little Boy", in which a Neanderthal child is brought from the past. A truly painful read.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Never happen.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jan 2013

For the obviously ethical reasons, which are multiple here. No MD that takes their oath seriously would ever sign on to such a project.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
14. There was a very interesting science fiction story that took a twist on this idea:
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jan 2013

Ted Kosmatka, N-words (I found it online through Google books in The Year's Best Science Fiction: Twenty-Sixth Annual Collection, Gardner Dozois, ed.)

They came from test tubes. They came pale as ghosts with eyes as blue-white as glacier ice. They came first out of Korea.

--Snip--

The magazine showed a pale, red-haired Neanderthal boy standing with his adoptive parents, staring thoughtfully up at an outdated anthropology display at a museum. The wax Neanderthal man in the display carried a club. He had a nose from the tropics, dark hair, olive-brown skin and dark brown eyes. Before Harding’s child, the museum display designers had supposed they knew what primitive looked like, and they had supposed it was decidedly swarthy.

Never mind that Neanderthals had spent ten times longer in light-starved Europe than a typical Swede’s ancestors.

The redheaded boy on the cover wore a confused expression.

--Snip--


Excerpt here as well: http://www.johnjosephadams.com/seeds-of-change/?page_id=11

Thirties Child

(543 posts)
19. My DNA says I'm 2.8% Neanderthal
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jan 2013

Which puts me in the 80th percentile. Also, I have the red hair gene, and we had two redheaded children. I think the NOVA show last week was right on - we likely didn't defeat the Neanderthals, but absorbed them.

But to bear a Neanderthal child - very sad.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
28. They already got one response
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jan 2013

Someone called the day after they put the ad in the paper offering $10,000 for a woman to carry the Neanderthal baby. It was a teabagger.

"Hi! I see you are looking for a woman to have a Neanderthal baby. Well, I have three conditions."

'Okay.'

"First condition: My husband may never know."

'We can do that.'

"Second condition: The children must attend the First Church of the Sacred Rock every Sunday, and attend Sacred Rock Christian School."

'We can do that too.'

"And if I can pay in installments, sign me up."

TlalocW

(15,379 posts)
29. What happened to all the miniature mammoths
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:32 PM
Jan 2013

That were going to overtake cats and dogs and most popular pet?

TlalocW

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