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avebury

(10,951 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:01 PM Jan 2013

Wouldn't it be a lot more powerful, for a President

to take the oath of office with his/her hand on the US Constitution then a religious book? I would rather have a President who fights to uphold the Constitution then a specific religious belief.

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Wouldn't it be a lot more powerful, for a President (Original Post) avebury Jan 2013 OP
K&R forestpath Jan 2013 #1
Leeme get a "Hell Yeah"!! RedstDem Jan 2013 #2
Whose interpretation of the Constitution? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3
Yeah, but whose interpretation of god? elias7 Jan 2013 #4
Seems much more appropriate to me. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #5
At least he didn't put his hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold zbdent Jan 2013 #6
I want Christian Presidents to use the Bible. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #7
Whose version of the bible? avebury Jan 2013 #10
Pretty simple. The version the President wants. nt NCTraveler Jan 2013 #12
And to add.... NCTraveler Jan 2013 #16
Not necessarily. At best it is the core of who they want voters to think they are. morningfog Jan 2013 #13
I think that is a very valid point. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #17
Not necessarily. avebury Jan 2013 #19
I agree with you. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #20
IN a way I agree, but the Constitution SHOULD ber at the core of their job Taverner Jan 2013 #21
Agreed. Myrina Jan 2013 #8
I have always felt using the Constitution would make much more sense rurallib Jan 2013 #9
I believe John Quincy Adams did exactly that. Bake Jan 2013 #11
Then elect a President who doesn't care about the Bible Recursion Jan 2013 #14
BZZZT! Subtle variation, but not quite a cigar. Pack your knives and go. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #15
It goes back to the belief that you make a promise to god. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #18
seems like a great idea to me phantom power Jan 2013 #22
 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
2. Leeme get a "Hell Yeah"!!
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jan 2013

I've always wondered the same thing.
it would be a much stronger message, than holding ones hands on a book fables...

elias7

(3,991 posts)
4. Yeah, but whose interpretation of god?
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jan 2013

I think we should have them swear on a picture of their mother. Just sayin'...

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. Seems much more appropriate to me.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jan 2013

But there is tradition, and everyone who swears an oath should be free to decide what document (or none) to swear it on.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. I want Christian Presidents to use the Bible.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jan 2013

Not the Constitution. The Bible is at the core of who they are. Not the Constitution.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
10. Whose version of the bible?
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jan 2013

What makes one version of the bible more valid then another?


Then First Council of Nicaea was made up of a group of MEN deciding what THEY thought should be in the bible. How does that make that Bible the word of God?

The Catholic Church tries to dictate religious matters to their masses while protecting pedophile priests. The Mormons, for a long time, promoted polygamous marriages, magic underwear, and ruling planets in space upon death. Southern Baptists believe that wives are subservient to their husbands.

Just because someone claims to have religious beliefs and takes an oath with their hand on a religious book does not guarantee that said person is a good person.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. And to add....
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jan 2013

"Just because someone claims to have religious beliefs and takes an oath with their hand on a religious book does not guarantee that said person is a good person."

If they have their hand on the constitution it does not guarantee they are a good person.
If they have their hand on the Bill of Rights it does not guarantee they are a good person.
If they are saluting the flag it does not guarantee they are a good person.

I am not sure why that would even be a point. I really don't think it is.

"The Catholic Church tries to dictate religious matters to their masses while protecting pedophile priests. The Mormons, for a long time, promoted polygamous marriages, magic underwear, and ruling planets in space upon death. Southern Baptists believe that wives are subservient to their husbands. "

Jumped the shark.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. I think that is a very valid point.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jan 2013

In many instances it is probably a correct point. That still doesn't take away from the fact that it doesn't bother me.

Too often, politicians do things they might not believe(at least fully want to do) simply for public perception.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
19. Not necessarily.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

Just think about it. If someone is really ambitious, wants to rise up to be President, he/she knows that he/she has to appear to be religious to satisfy the religious nuts in this country. Just because a person goes to church and memorizes a bible DOES NOT mean that the person actually BELIEVES in religion or the text. It can be just an act with a goal in mind, getting elected. People do not what is actually going on inside a person's head or heart.

Just because someone takes an oath of office with their hand on a bible (or other religious text) doesn't mean that they actually take it seriously. The original oath of office for the President did not include the words "so help me God." That was added on later on.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
21. IN a way I agree, but the Constitution SHOULD ber at the core of their job
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jan 2013

and thus, their lives.

But I do agree that the President should use whatever they feel strongest about

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
9. I have always felt using the Constitution would make much more sense
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jan 2013

there is but one version of the constitution.
It should be the core of our beliefs on government.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
11. I believe John Quincy Adams did exactly that.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jan 2013

Took the oath with his hand on the Constitution.

So sayeth CNN this morning on my phone.

Bake

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
18. It goes back to the belief that you make a promise to god.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

Break that and you will go strait to hell. Many Christains today, and many of the time this start, would say it is just superstion. But it is a suprise how this kept people in line back then.

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