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Is the information I provided in the links below correct? The articles are directed at recent Republican claims that the US has a high corporate tax rate. Why would Obama repeat debunked Republican talking points in his SOTU address?
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/05/260535/graph-corporate-tax-second-lowest/?mobile=nc
GRAPH: Contrary To GOP Claims, U.S. Has Second Lowest Corporate Taxes In The Developed World
By Marie Diamond on Jul 5, 2011 at 3:50 pm
During negotiations regarding raising the nations debt limit, congressional Republicans have defended tax loopholes for corporations, claiming that America has a high corporate tax rate that is stifling economic growth and job creation. But the Center for Tax Justice (CTJ) has crunched the most recent data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the Office of Management and Budget, and the Census Bureau, and finds that the U.S. is already one of the least taxed countries for corporations in the developed world.
As a share of GDP, the U.S. had the second lowest tax rate, behind only Iceland. This statistic flips on its head the often-repeated Republican charge that America has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world (which is only true on paper). In 2009, U.S. corporate taxes had fallen to only 1.3 percent of GDP, from 4 percent in 1965.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/
May 31, 2011, 6:00 am
Are Taxes in the U.S. High or Low?
By BRUCE BARTLETT
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Just last week, House Republicans released a new plan to reduce unemployment. Its principal provision would reduce the top statutory income tax rate on businesses and individuals to 25 percent from 35 percent. No evidence was offered for the Republican argument that cutting taxes for the well-to-do and big corporations would reduce unemployment; it was simply asserted as self-evident.
One would not know from the Republican document that corporate taxes are expected to raise just 1.3 percent of G.D.P. in revenue this year, about a third of what it was in the 1950s.
The G.O.P. says global competitiveness requires the United States to reduce its corporate tax rate. But the United States actually has the lowest corporate tax burden of any of the member nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
If taxes are low historically and in comparison with our global competitors, how are Republicans able to maintain that taxes are excessively high? They do so by ignoring the effective tax rate and concentrating solely on the statutory tax rate, which is often manipulated to make it appear that rates are much higher than they really are.
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MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Corporate taxes are too high, and they make us noncompetitive.
Ooops, gotta run, my unicorn is about to poop out yummy Skittles.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Tax cutting enthusiasts might well argue that we should have the lowest corporate tax rates in the world, and the "% of GDP" would have to be explained. Pundits would argue the point in circles until it became a weapon to wield against the evil tax-and-spend Democrats. Facts don't matter in the face of ideology. At least that has been my experience.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)They'd argue that we should be taxed to fund corporations if we let them circle jerk long enough.
elleng
(130,865 posts)'the U.S. is already one of the least taxed countries for corporations in the developed world.
As a share of GDP, the U.S. had the second lowest tax rate, behind only Iceland.'
DOES '(t)his statistic flip on its head the often-repeated Republican charge that America has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world(?)'
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Cant trust em
(10,732 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Obama was saying that corporations use loopholes to avoid paying the corporate tax rate, which is lost on some here.
The entire OP is a strawman.
T S Justly
(884 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)SaintPete
(533 posts)the first, as your post quotes, reflects taxes as a % of GDP ("total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product." We rank low on this list, because other countries collect more taxes relative to their GDP.
The second (effective taxes) reflects tax rates as a percent of income. Obama's remarks are accurate because the USA taxes corporations at a higher rate than many other countries.
You and Obama are both correct, you are just seeing taxes from two perspectives, and measuring two different aspects.
Think of it like one person telling you how many calories there are per cookie, and another telling you how many cookies are in the cupboard, relative to other snacks.
Does that make sense? Not sure that what I wrote represents the way I'm thinking...
Sgent
(5,857 posts)I don't have a problem with the current (or even increasing) the tax burden as a % of GDP, but our current tax law is terrible and provides perverse incentives to business.
1) Our very high (in comparison to Europe) marginal tax rate (as high as 39%) encourages investment in tax advantaged investments which may not be the best for the economy. For instance, we have insanely high depletion credits, but investments in factories can take 40 years to depreciate. The result is natural gas and oil, rather than factories and manufacturing. There are countless other examples.
2) We tax on worldwide income rather than domestic income (again, unlike almost everyone else). This means that businesses leave their cash in foreign subsidiaries which are joint ventures and thus escape taxation until the money is repatriated. Our archaic transfer pricing rules also don't help. The end result is that corporations can invest in overseas ventures for 65% of the cost of the same investment in the US if they already have money overseas.
We need to explore options for simplifying and making the tax code equal across industries, and stop penalizing investment in R&D, manufacturing, etc. One of the better methods of doing this (and dealing with foreign transfer pricing and a host of other issues) is to move to a value added tax -- but that brings its own problems as well.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Other than Norway (taxes on oil exporting companies?) and Luxembourg, corporate taxes are between 2%-4% of GDP while total taxes in Europe are 30%-45% of GDP.
The US could double (or triple) effective corporate taxes now at 1.2% of GDP (either by raising the rate or limiting the loopholes) and be within the range of most developed countries (2-4%). That though would only increase our total taxes to around 24% of GDP, well short of the 30-45% that other countries take in to support real social democracies.
It seems to me that we could raise a lot more tax revenue with progressive income taxes on rich corporate stockholders and executives compared to doubling or tripling the effective corporate tax rate. Of course, the ideal solution would be progressive income taxes AND a dramatic increase in corporate income tax, too.
piratefish08
(3,133 posts)sad. true.