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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:40 AM Jan 2013

Why Are So Many People Flagging Atheist Mom’s CNN iReport Article As ‘Inappropriate?’

from Mediaite: link



With close to 740,000 views and 10,000 comments, a CNN iReport article titled “Why I Raise My Children Without God” (link) is one of the site’s most popular features. But now CNN has been forced to defend the article from users who won’t stop flagging it as “inappropriate.”

In the story, a blogger identified only as TXBlue08, who also blogs at Kids Without Religion, discusses why she chose to raise her two children without God. In the opening section, she explains:

“I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years I’ve been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, I’ve found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever.”

Those sentiments and the list of reasons for her decision that follow, including “God is not logical” and “God does not protect the innocent” have created so much controversy on the site that CNN recently updated it with the following note:

“CNN hasn’t flagged this iReport as inappropriate, but some community members have. This is a divisive topic, however it does not violate our Community Guidelines, so we ask people to please stop flagging it. We will continue to review the story as often as possible.”
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Why Are So Many People Flagging Atheist Mom’s CNN iReport Article As ‘Inappropriate?’ (Original Post) trailmonkee Jan 2013 OP
Wingnut Fundy Kryptonite....whatdyaexpect?...nt pkdu Jan 2013 #1
Fundamentalist Christians do not take kindly to disagreement bluestateguy Jan 2013 #2
And their god made the entire universe just for them ... RKP5637 Jan 2013 #58
i think some people are scared at the idea of there being no God JI7 Jan 2013 #3
There seems to be an element of *fear* attached to a lot of religions Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #5
Fear is the premise of religions. defacto7 Jan 2013 #11
Guilt A HERETIC I AM Jan 2013 #18
And its attended twin, Punishment. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #41
And control Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #93
Fear, guilt, control... and an almost fanatatical devotion to the Pope Silent3 Jan 2013 #96
Fear, guilt, control, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope... Ferretherder Jan 2013 #110
It's also a premise of an unchanged mind uponit7771 Jan 2013 #38
Maybe in some Western religions, certainly not all religions... OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #48
Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #51
yeah, you need a higher power that will punish in order for you not to kill someone JI7 Jan 2013 #73
Is it just me, or is the God as depicted in the Bible completely batshit? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #99
Sounds sort of like he/she/it could possibly be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #102
Heh! God the Bunny Boiler. And is it just me, or do most fundies think the Bible has two books? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #103
They start with their beliefs Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #106
Not only that... GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #113
Agreed. Although there is also an element of fear in scientific materialism. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #31
can you describe what you mean by scientific materialism ? JI7 Jan 2013 #72
The doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #75
What's fearful about that? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #104
How so? DavidDvorkin Jan 2013 #87
Bulls Eye kairos12 Jan 2013 #54
Not here. defacto7 Jan 2013 #90
There is a lesson to be learned. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #105
Yes, but it's a lot of people, probably most, that are fearful of the idea. If we admit to ourselves Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #71
We don't practice religion in our household Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #4
You have to try harder these days to open a portal to hell. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #23
LOL Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #32
"portal to hell" Isn't that trademarked by the GOP? RKP5637 Jan 2013 #60
Actually A Ride In A FEMA Camp kairos12 Jan 2013 #61
I hope it's not as expensive as Disneyland rides! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #62
Religious people seem to know how bad god's aim is Warpy Jan 2013 #80
We didn't mention it, they never asked...we all are content.. Tikki Jan 2013 #6
Atheists hear them all the time. longship Jan 2013 #7
I've posted a linkto the following before intaglio Jan 2013 #8
god, protect me from your followers! yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2013 #9
Eh, look at what happened on DU when some atheists expressed dissapointment with the inauguration Fumesucker Jan 2013 #10
I don't know exactly which thread you are referring to Kalidurga Jan 2013 #12
This is the specific thread, it's like the OP was talking to a fifth grade special ed class Fumesucker Jan 2013 #13
I find the reaction to the OP more instructive than the OP itself... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #14
After a particularly unpleasant episode here in real life Fumesucker Jan 2013 #17
William Burroughs put it best bongbong Jan 2013 #67
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." -Emerson n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #68
HAH! Ain't that the truth?! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #100
uh, no. that sure as shit is not what happened- says this atheist. cali Jan 2013 #20
Ah, so you don't have me on Ignore Fumesucker Jan 2013 #21
uh, no, I'm not jealous, but whatever you need to tell yourself is fine with me, honeypie. cali Jan 2013 #35
Nadin didn't deliver an "anti-atheist rant". She is herself an atheist. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #59
Most if not all religious adherents live life in fear stultusporcos Jan 2013 #15
Most if not all atheists live life in fear pnwmom Jan 2013 #16
+1 cordelia Jan 2013 #25
I think most of those who don't believe would prefer that there IS a God. randome Jan 2013 #34
No we don't. RC Jan 2013 #37
You apparently missed my point completely, but that's okay. pnwmom Jan 2013 #50
It was the I am rubber your are glue defense stultusporcos Jan 2013 #85
No, that's not it. pnwmom Jan 2013 #86
+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #39
With the difference that the first set are basic anthropology dmallind Jan 2013 #40
ROFL snooper2 Jan 2013 #42
Not as powerful as they think they are? Theists have some confusing ideas about Atheists.... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #55
You are taking this much too seriously. pnwmom Jan 2013 #64
What I'm afraid of is Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #81
LOL. n/t pnwmom Jan 2013 #82
^_____^ nt Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #83
+1 Go Vols Jan 2013 #19
This is true... sikofit3 Jan 2013 #65
It would seem to be an inevitable result ... surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #22
If people can raise their kids bringing them to church (which I do, as a Christian) they sure can Jennicut Jan 2013 #24
CNN is tampered in Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #26
MADNESS Mr Dixon Jan 2013 #27
Because, as a society, we encourage the idea that religious beliefs are special beliefs. redqueen Jan 2013 #28
Right. Even here on DU we get that argument all the time. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #95
Religious nuts are deeply insecure and feel they need constant affirmation... Odin2005 Jan 2013 #29
Not to quibble too much but using the word 'nuts' is not very productive. randome Jan 2013 #33
No, it is, we need to call out religion for the idiocy it is.. snooper2 Jan 2013 #43
I can't imagine 'arguing' with anyone over their religious beliefs. randome Jan 2013 #44
Yup. I respect people, not beliefs. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #52
I've read plenty of the same type of response to religion The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #66
this is exactly why non-religious people hate it when religious people liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #30
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #78
This problem is pronounced with fundamentalists, Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #84
Religious Freedom= the right to exercise Christianity in public NightWatcher Jan 2013 #36
The people who don't like this need to remember; Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #45
You're making a big assumption there. randome Jan 2013 #46
Inappropriate? No. Obnoxious? Hell, yes. Nine Jan 2013 #47
I went to a boarding school where the founder believed that religion shouldn't be a part of... OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #49
I raise my children with God joeglow3 Jan 2013 #53
What if they're allergic to the food and get sick? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #69
How did you know you were allergic to those items? joeglow3 Feb 2013 #116
I ate pizza and barfed it up an hour later, that's why. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #117
The truth hurts, I reckon. Is it really surprising , though, that people who AzDar Jan 2013 #56
Fear of having their 'dumb as a rock' beliefs shattered. Nothing is as rigid as a RKP5637 Jan 2013 #57
Fundies don't like opposing view points, especially if logic is involved. Initech Jan 2013 #63
Because people are not tolerant of atheism RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #70
Study says religious people distrust atheists as much as rapists progressoid Jan 2013 #89
Religious Bigots number... rexcat Jan 2013 #74
Bigotry against atheists on DU? Nine Jan 2013 #91
You are entitled to your opinion... rexcat Jan 2013 #92
My observations are opinions but your observations are facts? Nine Jan 2013 #98
We do make comments... rexcat Jan 2013 #107
Do you not see the inconsistency in these two statements? Nine Jan 2013 #108
It seems... rexcat Jan 2013 #109
Just goes to show... Rider3 Jan 2013 #76
The welfare leech fundies stay at home and spam the internet with their propaganda. Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #77
It's not POSSIBLE to raise your children without God Ricochet21 Jan 2013 #79
Huh? DavidDvorkin Jan 2013 #88
since god is all things Ricochet21 Feb 2013 #111
That's silly DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #112
I understand the buzz that the word God makes Ricochet21 Feb 2013 #115
Gee, that's funny, I've already done it with my two. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #94
Hey, let's all DU this poll --- JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #97
They think God is peering over their shoulder and don't want him to get the wrong idea. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #101
They think this will push CNN to shut down the column. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #114
Fear. Ignorance. Superstition. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #118

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. Fundamentalist Christians do not take kindly to disagreement
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jan 2013

Their worldview is that they are acting on God's behalf and anybody who dissents from that is of the devil.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
5. There seems to be an element of *fear* attached to a lot of religions
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jan 2013

How uplifting and/or inspiring is that?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. Fear is the premise of religions.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:26 AM
Jan 2013

It's the source and basis on which the need for it is built. Without fear and it's twin, the supplying of a self perpetuating answer to fear, religion is purposeless. All you are left with is.... life.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. And its attended twin, Punishment.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jan 2013

Without the Fear of Punishment, what is Guilt but a fleeting thought, easily dismissed?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
93. And control
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jan 2013

Fear, Guilt and Control, Oh My!

And also "Faith" is glorified, as if believing any stupid s@#$ for which there is no evidence is a wonderful, wonderful thing if you call it "religion."

Ferretherder

(1,446 posts)
110. Fear, guilt, control, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope...
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jan 2013

...and a nice red uniform......d'oh!

Cardinal Fang, you'll have to say it!

 

OneMoreDemocrat

(913 posts)
48. Maybe in some Western religions, certainly not all religions...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jan 2013

Try not to use such a large brush.

The actual premise for religion is to answer questions like, "Who am I?", "How did I get here?", "Where is here?", and such.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
51. Absolutely.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jan 2013

Well, anyway, as close to "absolutely" as a deist/Buddhist/Unitarian can get to just about anything…

JI7

(89,247 posts)
73. yeah, you need a higher power that will punish in order for you not to kill someone
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jan 2013

the thing is that among the criminals there are far more who believe in god than atheists.

what i usually find is that people often use God as an excuse for the crap they do by saying they prayed and asked god for forgiveness.

but the atheist who never committed a crime will go to hell just for not believing .

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
99. Is it just me, or is the God as depicted in the Bible completely batshit?
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jan 2013

I love you, but I'm going to punish you by burning you in hell for all eternity!

You're the pinnacle of my creation! Nah, I'm gonna throw a huge flood at you because you're horrible! Except for half a dozen cool people who'll keep the animals from dying out. I'm sorry, here's a rainbow, that'll make it all better!

I'm gonna let you rot in slavery. But don't worry, I'll save you... after making you wonder around in the desert for 40 fucking years!!!

I LOVE YOU! I HATE YOU! I LOVE YOU! I HATE YOU! I'LL SAVE YOU! I'LL ROAST YOU!

Seriously? If god were real, I'd expect that when I died and went to the afterlife, I'd see god cutting himself.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
102. Sounds sort of like he/she/it could possibly be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jan 2013

I suppose the fact that the Bible was cobbled together over several centuries by, presumably, a bunch of different people has *nothing* to do with the scattered depiction. Also, what I've never understood is why some people, mostly Christian fundies, pick stuff out of the OLD Testament to support their prejudices and beliefs (esp. those regarding gays) yet I always thought that NEW Testament- about the birth, life, death/resurrection, and teachings of Jesus Christ (who never mentioned a lot of things, including gays) was basically supposed to replace it.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
103. Heh! God the Bunny Boiler. And is it just me, or do most fundies think the Bible has two books?
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:03 AM
Jan 2013

Leviticus and Revelations.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
106. They start with their beliefs
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jan 2013

and they just cherry-pick those books/verses in the Bible that (seem to) support them. Just like how many teabaggers selectively cite the US Constitution that "support" their beliefs. Sometimes it seems like many fundies skip the entire New Testament and what Jesus says altogether even though that would seem to be the most important part of the Bible, at least for Christians anyway.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
113. Not only that...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Feb 2013

I made you flawed in the first place, and now I'm going to punish you when you can't achieve the impossible of being perfect. And, I love you unconditionally, but if you don't adhere to certain conditions, you are going to face eternal suffering.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
104. What's fearful about that?
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jan 2013

Call me a "scientific materialist" but I have yet to see evidence of the supernatural.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
105. There is a lesson to be learned.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jan 2013

Life is precious. You only get one, it has a finite span, and it ends. Don't squander it.

Live well and help others live well.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
71. Yes, but it's a lot of people, probably most, that are fearful of the idea. If we admit to ourselves
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jan 2013

that there is no God, then everything is our own doing and fault. and that's one hell of a failure.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
4. We don't practice religion in our household
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:48 AM
Jan 2013

My wife and I had our fill of religion being crammed down our throats when we were kids and have no interest in practicing anything now nor making our kids endure it. We don't mock or disparage it or anybody else whom practices religion and we're not going to freak if any of our children want to practice it when they grow up- or when they spend time with religious relatives- but we're just not interested in it personally and doubt we ever will be. And no, a portal to Hell has not opened and sucked our house into Hell........yet.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
23. You have to try harder these days to open a portal to hell.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:42 AM
Jan 2013

I mean, look at all the competition you have from various Repugs!

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
80. Religious people seem to know how bad god's aim is
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jan 2013

by the way he punished sodomites in San Francisco by sending a hurricane to New Orleans and feminists in NYC by sending a tornado to Joplin Mo.

They behave as if our disbelief is going to target them for the divine retribution.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. Atheists hear them all the time.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:01 AM
Jan 2013

There really are the same ones, too.

You can't be good/moral without god.

If you don't believe in god, you are a Satanist.

Pascal's wager: isn't it better to believe in god because if he exists, you'll spend eternity in hell if you don't.

You're an atheist. Do you believe in anything?

Hitler/Stalin/Pot/Mao was an atheist.

Blah. Blah. Blah.

The arguments never change because they never have any new arguments. Many of them go back centuries.

Theists would not have the power today if they didn't have the power then, a time when if you professed non-belief, they'd kill you. It may have taken a while to get the task done, but they'd get er done.

As Daniel Dennett says, we have to Break the Spell that religion holds over humanity. That isn't to say eliminate religion. But, maybe we ought to understand how it holds so large a grip on our world. Dennett's book outlines a way to have a good start on that. I firmly believe that it is a project which can only help humankind and our future. I also feel strongly that if we don't do something like this, we are going to have a very rough road ahead of us.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
8. I've posted a linkto the following before
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:13 AM
Jan 2013
FT Magazine: Atheism in America
Snip/ ... Like that of Harry Purdy, born in Manchester, the son of an American GI father he did not know. A year after the US government opened up its records, the then 46-year-old stepped off the plane at Louisville Airport, Kentucky in May 1991 and became the first of the lost GI babies to be reunited with his father. Purdy eventually took up American citizenship and moved over to live in 1993.

“It was a good thing I met him for the first time,” he told me when we met at a roadside restaurant near his home, “but this is Kentucky, this is the Bible Belt. I’m an atheist.” One by one, members of his new family turned against him because of his lack of belief. Harry doesn’t see any of his American family any more. “The last one I saw was my cousin, Ronnie. Every time he invites me over to dinner, he turns to religion.

The most extraordinary story I heard was from a woman in Tuscaloosa county, Alabama. She grew up in nearby Lamar county, raised in the strict Church of Christ, where there is no music with worship and you can’t dance. She says her family love her and are proud of her, but “I’m not allowed to be an atheist in Lamar County”. What is astonishing is that she can be pretty much anything else. “Being on crack, that was OK. As long as I believed in God, I was OK.” So, for example, “I’m not allowed to babysit. I have all these cousins who need babysitters but they’re afraid I’ll teach them about evolution, and I probably would.” I couldn’t quite believe this. She couldn’t babysit as an atheist, but she could when she was on crack? “Yes.” I laughed, but it is hard to think of anything less funny.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Eh, look at what happened on DU when some atheists expressed dissapointment with the inauguration
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:23 AM
Jan 2013

For one we got a patronizing history lesson that most atheists probably know better than most theists.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
12. I don't know exactly which thread you are referring to
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:34 AM
Jan 2013

But, I have seen some comments directed at you that to me were teetering on the edge of abuse. Almost, but not quite alertable. Very uncomfortable to watch. It was almost as if they believed you were attacking them by not believing in their god.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. This is the specific thread, it's like the OP was talking to a fifth grade special ed class
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:52 AM
Jan 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022231375

I chose to be amused by it rather than angered but others could take it differently, it really said a lot more about the author than the intended audience.



Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. I find the reaction to the OP more instructive than the OP itself...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:24 AM
Jan 2013

People insisting that religion has no place in secular events are attacked, vigorously. And the attackers taking the stance "you just hate theists". A very strange reaction indeed.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. After a particularly unpleasant episode here in real life
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:45 AM
Jan 2013

I had a Christian sigh and tell me just yesterday that he understands why I'm sometimes biased against Christians.

Of course this Christian had just been ripped off for over $2000 by some real strong Bible thumpers so that might have colored his views a bit.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
67. William Burroughs put it best
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jan 2013

> Of course this Christian had just been ripped off for over $2000 by some real strong Bible thumpers so that might have colored his views a bit.

"If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, get it in writing. His word isn't worth shit. Not with the good lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. uh, no. that sure as shit is not what happened- says this atheist.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jan 2013

expressed disappointment, my burning left foot.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
21. Ah, so you don't have me on Ignore
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:20 AM
Jan 2013

You're just jealous because Nadine's anti atheist rant was much better written than your own as well as being more smug and patronizing.

For someone who constantly brags that they live in paradise you sure do seem to have a chip on your shoulder a lot.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. uh, no, I'm not jealous, but whatever you need to tell yourself is fine with me, honeypie.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jan 2013

and no I don't have a chip on my shoulder but thanks for the dim bit of psychobabble. Nor do I brag that I live in paradise but then making up shit is a constant for you.

hugs and kisses, little pumpkin.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
59. Nadin didn't deliver an "anti-atheist rant". She is herself an atheist.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:06 PM
Jan 2013

She's just not one of the "ban all religion and religious thought" school.

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
15. Most if not all religious adherents live life in fear
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:34 AM
Jan 2013

Fear of being punished by their deity, fear of not getting their reward from their deity, fear of those who don’t worship the same deity as they do, and fear of knowledge and truth.

The crazy part is the religious adherents trying to defend their all-powerful and knowing deity from those of us who don’t live life in fear, like somehow the all-powerful deity is totally defenseless against atheists.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
16. Most if not all atheists live life in fear
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:51 AM
Jan 2013

that they're not as brilliant as they think they are.

And they're afraid that if they admit the possibility of God, then they're not as powerful as they need to think they are. The crazy part is that the more these atheist adherents try to defend their version of knowledge and truth, the more they reveal their own smug, superior, self-righteousness.

There, how do you like those generalizations? Not very much? You started it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. I think most of those who don't believe would prefer that there IS a God.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:15 AM
Jan 2013

Dying to most is not some mystical place of contentment. It's an end.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
37. No we don't.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jan 2013

It is religion that is where the fear is, for everyone, believer of not.
If there really is a kind, loving God, He would not be so egomaniacal as to send us to Hell for not worshiping Him in the correct way, in the correct church, on the correct day. Besides, why are their so many flavors of so many religions, if what any of the many flavors of Christian are suppose do believe in, is true? Does this God not care?
How arrogant is this God? Why would anyone want to take a chance of spending the rest of eternity in this God's Heaven? Do you really want to take a chance of having to sing Hallelujah to a deity that is so insecure that he demands such praise and worship? And do that for the rest of eternity? Heaven is Paradise? Sounds like Hell to me. There has to be a reason why there is no description of Heaven in the Bible. Could that be why?

If this Christian God really is a kind, loving God, how you live your life, how you treat others, how you treat the rest of his creation, would count for far more than just believing in a Deity that demands to be worshiped properly, or "Yur gonna go ta HELL!"
Not believing in Him would be far down the list reasons for eternal punishment. War mongering, greed, plotting to take what is not yours, superiority of self over others, hypocrisy, voting Republican, arrogance, using others for ladder rungs to get to the top. And on and on and on...

We are a social species. We do best when we work together to solve problems. Condoning the Killing of those that do not believe as you do is reason enough to be condemned to Hell for all eternity. You don't condone any killings? Then why do so many here justify Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine and many other conflicts? Often because we, the US, are killing non Christians, and YOU are safely far away. Non Christians are expendable. Case in point - While it is often pointed out how many Americans have died in whatever conflict, wherever, the many people have WE have killed in THEIR own country, is downplayed or ignored entirely. Are not these people and their lands, Gods creation too? This pleases your kind, loving God? How?
Why do so many religious people desecrate their God by destroying His creation and the life he created by justifying war?
Over all, down through history, religion has seldom been a positive for for good.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
40. With the difference that the first set are basic anthropology
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jan 2013

yours are basic bullshit. But keep trying.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
55. Not as powerful as they think they are? Theists have some confusing ideas about Atheists....
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jan 2013

And about themselves. I mean, how can an atheist feel more powerful than a person who believes god is on their side? How much more powerful can you be than to have an omnipotent friend? Every earthquake or hurricane that hurts your enemies must have been a favor from him to you. You lay on hands, ask him to heal someone, and he does through you. Doesn't that make people feel powerful? To know their all-powerful friend will always save them and protect them and be there for them?

An Atheist, on the other hand, knows exactly how powerless we are in this universe--how careless and ruthless it is. How can anyone who doesn't believe in god feel powerful? We know how little control over the natural world we've got. So, I'm not sure why anyone would generalize us as afraid to admit the possibility of god as that would make us lose our power--if we could admit it, we'd gain a feeling of power, wouldn't we?

Just seems a really weird generalization that, as usual, says a lot about believers. So, a belief in god makes them feel powerless not powerful? Is that what they're saying?

But I'll agree with you on the smug, self-rightousness.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
64. You are taking this much too seriously.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

I was merely making an annoying generalization, like the poster I was responding to.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
81. What I'm afraid of is
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jan 2013

What if the Vikings were right? I don't want to go to Hel, but I'm a lover, not a fighter.

sikofit3

(145 posts)
65. This is true...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

Anyone who has studied religions knows that what stultusporcos says is true. These are academic descriptions of the historical study of religion and most of these observations come from the adherents own descriptions and of course the scripture description of consequences. Anthropologists and Geographers and others have really good information, unbiased information, on the effects of religion on adherents through years and years of thorough studies which are not meant to favor one religion over another or even to discredit religion, simply to understand it. Quite frankly I can't understand how any historian particularly those who study the time during the Roman conversion of pagan religions forward, can believe in it. It is history and that is all.... my opinion of course.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
22. It would seem to be an inevitable result ...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jan 2013

... of letting your readers be your editors. I wonder if the people at CNN see it that way.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
24. If people can raise their kids bringing them to church (which I do, as a Christian) they sure can
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:50 AM
Jan 2013

raise them without religion. Nothing inappropriate here at all. Just idiotic people forgetting that we all have a right to practice whatever religion we want to as well as not practice one at all.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
28. Because, as a society, we encourage the idea that religious beliefs are special beliefs.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:01 AM
Jan 2013

As if it were a fundamental part of being human. Part of our intrinsic selves.

As opposed to what it is - a set of socialized mores and customs that varies widely even within the same religions.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
95. Right. Even here on DU we get that argument all the time.
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jan 2013

Religion is supposed to be in its own little special protected bubble. We can shred the stupidity of Republican and rightwing beliefs (which, by the way, often stem from religion), yet pointing out that certain religious beliefs would be considered the rantings of a lunatic if they weren't labeled religion brings down condemnation and hell fire.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
29. Religious nuts are deeply insecure and feel they need constant affirmation...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jan 2013

...of their beliefs. Hence they get psychotic when they see something like this.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. Not to quibble too much but using the word 'nuts' is not very productive.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jan 2013

And I have no beliefs to defend.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
43. No, it is, we need to call out religion for the idiocy it is..
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jan 2013

"respect my beliefs" LOL


No, I'll respect your right to believe whatever you want, but I don't have to respect your "beliefs". Comedy and mockery are what will finally drive religion to the dustbin where it belongs.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. I can't imagine 'arguing' with anyone over their religious beliefs.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jan 2013

But you're right, comedy and mockery do help drive home important points. What's even more important, I think, are the legislative victories we have enjoyed. Roe vs. Wade in effect put the stake in place over the heart of the church. Gay rights are starting to pound that stake in.

The various pedophile scandals are helping.

It's our legislative victories -our victories as a society- that are depowering the Catholic Church and, by association, other forms of religion.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
66. I've read plenty of the same type of response to religion
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

The very mention of it gets some people of non-belief flying off the handle.

We all do it. Everyone has something they get all emotional about. We all have our insecurities.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
30. this is exactly why non-religious people hate it when religious people
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jan 2013

want to be able to express their belief in public. It's because religious people don't want non-religious people to express their beliefs or non-beliefs in public. You can't have it both ways. If religious people get to express their beliefs in public then so do non-religious people.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
84. This problem is pronounced with fundamentalists,
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:37 PM
Jan 2013

especially Evangelicals. Gallup and Pew had a poll out last year showing that 3 out of 4 Evangelicals believe that America is a Christian nation and their form of Christianity should form the rules for society.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
36. Religious Freedom= the right to exercise Christianity in public
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jan 2013

At least that's how the fundies on the right see things.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. You're making a big assumption there.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jan 2013

That they actually believe what they SAY they believe. It's often not the case, IMO. Religion to most is an amorphous palliative to keep from having nightmares during the day.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
47. Inappropriate? No. Obnoxious? Hell, yes.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jan 2013

I think any article about why one person's belief system is superior to another person's is obnoxious. And her view of religion is completely childish. Not all people who identify themselves as religious or spiritual see God as a magical man in the sky who grants rainbows and unicorns to those who pray hard enough.

I find this sentence, "We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever," interesting. Let's try another version: "We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young Christians rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower the fever for Judaism/Islam/atheism in this nation." Doesn't sound so innocent now, does it?

 

OneMoreDemocrat

(913 posts)
49. I went to a boarding school where the founder believed that religion shouldn't be a part of...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jan 2013

scholastic life and that one should get to decide on their own once they reach the age of 18 what they choose to believe.

I liked that idea and it has served me well.

This woman's method of raising her kids isn't inappropriate, but it will serve to lessen her kids curiosity about 'God' if they are told there isn't one...I'd focus on raising kids who were curious and open to discovery and let them choose what they want to believe; I don't expect my own kids to believe everything I do; after all, none of us can know any real answers where God is concerned until we pass away and see what happens.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
53. I raise my children with God
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jan 2013

If they turn out to be atheists, I will love them the same. However, I would rather expose them to it and then let them make a choice rather than not expose them to it and expect them to make an informed decision.

Same reason I make my children taste a food BEFORE telling me they don't like it.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
69. What if they're allergic to the food and get sick?
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jan 2013

I'm allergic to tomatoes, bell peppers, and several other things. I refused to eat them and was yelled at at the dinner table because I would not taste them. And there are a lot of foods I just don't like. I have very unpleasant memories of pitched battles at my grandmother's house over food. She boiled everything to death.

I'm allergic to Abrahamic religions because of the lack of rational thought. It gets worse the older I get, just like my food allergies.


 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
116. How did you know you were allergic to those items?
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

We have children with allergies and did not find out until there was a reaction.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
56. The truth hurts, I reckon. Is it really surprising , though, that people who
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:57 PM
Jan 2013

cling to and literally believe Bronze-Age Fairy Tales, would behave this way?

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
57. Fear of having their 'dumb as a rock' beliefs shattered. Nothing is as rigid as a
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jan 2013

closed and heavily programmed black and white block thinking mind.

progressoid

(49,982 posts)
89. Study says religious people distrust atheists as much as rapists
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jan 2013
Study says religious people distrust atheists as much as rapists

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/315425#ixzz2J3AUcvJk


and

study finds atheists are least trusted

The 2003 study, spearheaded by Penny Edgell, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Minnesota, found that atheists rank below several other minority groups, including immigrants, gays and lesbians, conservative Christians, Jews and Muslims, as "least likely to share everyday Americans' vision of society," Edgell said. "They're the new outsiders."

The telephone sampling of 2,081 households nationwide also found that atheists are the minority group most Americans least want their children to marry, she said.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/edgell/home/Strib%20Atheist%20Faith%20and%20Values.html


rexcat

(3,622 posts)
74. Religious Bigots number...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jan 2013

many in this nation, especially against atheists. You can also see it hear on DU! No big surprise!

Nine

(1,741 posts)
91. Bigotry against atheists on DU?
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jan 2013

Sorry, I see far more bigotry against Christians on this site. Even on this thread.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
92. You are entitled to your opinion...
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jan 2013

but not your own facts. More comments by atheists are hidden on DU when a comment is directed toward the religious on DU than the other way around. Many a bigoted statement by a religious person is not hidden on DU.

My guess is you would define religious bigotry as anything that questions your religious beliefs which would fit in nicely with some in the religion forum. There have been a number of people banned from the A&A forum because they don't understand the concept of a protected forum and violate the terms of the forum. They also like to troll the A&A site and use it against us in the religion forum. It seems to me that any questioning of religion is bigotry to a some on this site and I might have to include you with that group. From my own personal experiences in our "wonderful" country and here on DU atheists are disrespected more than any other group and and discriminated against on a regular basis. I have been on the end of the discrimination thing many times since coming out of the "closet" in 1973, not necessarily on DU but in the community I leave in and with some of my own family members and especially with my in-laws, the "good" catholics that they are.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
98. My observations are opinions but your observations are facts?
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:58 PM
Jan 2013

Do you have evidence to back up your assertion that anti-religious comments are hidden on DU more often than anti-atheist comments?

Your guess about me and about how I define religious bigotry is incorrect, but I suppose it fits in with your broad brushing of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheist. I have never visited any of the religious subforums on this site. I mostly stick to LBN and General. If you say there is trolling on the religious subforums, I'll take your word for it. But I have never seen anti-atheist or anti-agnostic bigotry in General Discussion while I have seen plenty of anti-religious bigotry here.

As for the country as a whole, sure there is anti-atheist bigotry. And I see that as a battle between bigots and those who oppose bigotry, not as a battle between atheists and the religious. Both of those groups can and do include good Democrats.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
107. We do make comments...
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jan 2013

on the A&A forum concerning bigotry noted on other forums in DU and the discussions are lively on those topics.

I did not use any "broad brushing" of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheists. As long as someone is not trying to force their religious beliefs on me I don't care if they worship rocks.

As far as anti-religious bigotry, it is in the eye of the beholder. What you may consider bigotry others would not. I generally don't attack the individual but I will comment on what I would consider to be ridiculous or something that has no merit with reality. That may be taken personally but that is not my problem.

I and many others on the A&A forum have first hand experience with anti-atheist bigotry in this country and on DU and it is on both sides of the political isle. For the most part I do not bring up my atheism to anyone in person unless they specifically ask and then with hesitation. My experience has not been good when I tell people that I am an atheist and Secular Humanist. I can say that, for the most part, christians of this country don't hesitate to let everyone know what their religious beliefs are!

Nine

(1,741 posts)
108. Do you not see the inconsistency in these two statements?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jan 2013

1. "I did not use any "broad brushing" of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheists."

2. "I can say that, for the most part, christians of this country don't hesitate to let everyone know what their religious beliefs are!"

You may think of yourself as tolerant and neutral but your contempt for Christians comes through loud and clear. Consider the following statement: "As long as someone is not trying to force their religious beliefs on me I don't care if they worship rocks."

The underlying premise is that Christians *will* try to force their beliefs on you. And the imagery of worshiping rocks is derisive. What if someone had said, "I don't care if a dude wants to screw another dude as long as he doesn't try coming onto me." Or, "I don't care if someone wants to eat twigs and leaves and live in a yurt as long as they don't scream at me and lecture me when I'm trying to enjoy a nice steak." Would you characterize those statements as being tolerant of LGBT and vegetarians/vegans?

(And, yes, I realize that there is probably a religion somewhere that does worship rocks; you could even characterize the modern pagan religions that have a sacred reverence for nature as being "rock worshipers," but I wouldn't do that because it's a belittling way of putting it.)

I think you need to stop thinking of Christians and other theists as your enemies and your oppressors. You probably have many friends on DU who are religious and you don't even know it. If you've been to a political rally or other event, you were probably in the presence of many people who identify as both progressive/liberal and religious.

And as far as you stating you're simply commenting on "ridiculous" beliefs rather than making personal attacks, that's a very shaky line to try to walk. I find astrology to be without merit in the strictest sense, but many people are interested and involved with it, and I think 99% of the time it does no harm to anyone and maybe it even does some people some good. If someone told me they were interested in astrology, I wouldn't expect to be able to say, "Astrology is stupid," and not have them be offended by that or take it personally.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
109. It seems...
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:45 PM
Jan 2013

you will lower yourself to anything to prove your point. From what you have said it is clear who is the bigot and it is not me! All I can say is the only point you have is the one on your head.

Having a conversation with you is like

Rider3

(919 posts)
76. Just goes to show...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:57 PM
Jan 2013

That some people want to force their religion on others. Look, if this mother doesn't believe in God, that's her perogative. The child will grow and develope his/her own feelings as they explore their lives. This should not be marked as inappropriate. What if she were raising their child in a faith other than Catholic? Would that other faith be deemed inappropriate? People need to stop putting their religious beliefs onto others. I'm Catholic. I'm not going to care what anyone else believes. It's only between me and my God.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
77. The welfare leech fundies stay at home and spam the internet with their propaganda.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jan 2013

With that said, the majority of older Americans are intolerant of ANYONE who is NOT a Christian.

DavidDvorkin

(19,473 posts)
112. That's silly
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:20 AM
Feb 2013

We raised our kid without infecting his mind with the idea that God existed. In adulthood, he has often thanked us for that.

Defining God as all things doesn't make such child-rearing impossible. It simply makes the word "God" meaningless.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
97. Hey, let's all DU this poll ---
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jan 2013

that's why. We can put a bunch of votes out there to sway a poll to our liking. I'm sure the Christian Right has forums that can get droves to "flag an article as inappropriate".

It just takes a few, or one person, to notice something worth attacking, then rally the troops to go after it.

CNN has asked people to stop flagging the article. Like that's gonna work.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
114. They think this will push CNN to shut down the column.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:59 AM
Feb 2013

The logic being that if enough people complain about it being "inappropriate", it magically becomes inappropriate. It's much like the way their lies become "fact". If you repeat it often enough, it becomes "true".

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
118. Fear. Ignorance. Superstition.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:19 PM
Feb 2013

The "god" of the people who flag this is extremely weak, according to his "believers". They are afraid of anything that challenges their weak faith, and so attack it.

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