Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:36 PM
Zalatix (8,994 posts)
I know this is an old subject but I just want to ask
Why, in 2009, when the Tea Party was holding their giant rallies against Obama's health care plan, did liberals not show up in equal force?
Aren't there millions of us? Why didn't we show up? Why did we wait until 2011 to start protesting in Wisconsin and Zucotti park? Why?
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Zalatix | Jan 2012 | OP |
Cooley Hurd | Jan 2012 | #1 | |
RKP5637 | Jan 2012 | #2 | |
Quantess | Jan 2012 | #8 | |
emulatorloo | Jan 2012 | #3 | |
TheWraith | Jan 2012 | #4 | |
rhett o rick | Jan 2012 | #6 | |
Zalatix | Jan 2012 | #13 | |
southernyankeebelle | Jan 2012 | #5 | |
Martin Eden | Jan 2012 | #7 | |
Zalatix | Jan 2012 | #12 | |
T S Justly | Jan 2012 | #9 | |
REP | Jan 2012 | #10 | |
Zalatix | Jan 2012 | #11 |
Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
1. Becuase the Koch Brothers never sent us a check?
Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:43 PM
emulatorloo (43,193 posts)
3. Those big rallies were bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers
Cooley Hurd is absolutely correct. Freedom Works paid transportation, etc etc.
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Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:43 PM
TheWraith (24,331 posts)
4. Honestly? Because we're bad strategists.
We're really good at the circular firing squad, and really bad at the kind of prompt, ruthless blowback operations that the right-wing excels at. Wisconsin was such a big deal because it was well executed in a way that's rare for us.
On edit: Take a comparison for instance to those financed astroturf rallies mentioned upthread. The counter on our side was house parties organized by MoveOn, to quietly try and get people educated on the nuances of healthcare reform, whereas the right-wing's response was to take a very simple message and hammer it through every available bit of media. A really effective response would have been mass rallies with every single person hammering home simple points like medical decisions by doctors not bureaucrats, your life is worth more than their stock price, simple understandable points that would sound good to the low-information public. |
Response to TheWraith (Reply #4)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:51 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
6. So you support the Wisconsin protest even tho you think Occupy is a joke?
"but if you get perspective from outside the bubble you realize that they're ineffectual and a joke. " Your "perspective" from outside the bubble. So you think code Pink is a joke and Occupy is a joke, what do you think about moveon.org?
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Response to TheWraith (Reply #4)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:43 PM
Zalatix (8,994 posts)
13. Yet the people in Europe will riot to the blast of a dog whistle.
They're rocking the house in Greece and they do it quite often in England... heck they kidnapped CEOs in France.
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Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:43 PM
southernyankeebelle (11,304 posts)
5. When people showed up they were out number and some of the nuts were carrying guns.
Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:52 PM
Martin Eden (12,320 posts)
7. Protest against the Teapartiers, or FOR the health care plan?
It's hard to organize a rally against a crowd of stupid people, and most people on the left weren't thrilled about a health care plan that didn't even have a watered-down public option.
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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Zalatix (8,994 posts)
12. Why didn't we rally for the Public option or Medicare-for-All?
Medicare for All was a bill at the time (at the tail end, at least). The Public Option was fighting for its life all along.
Where were the protests in favor of that? |
Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:29 PM
T S Justly (884 posts)
9. Progressives didn't show up to counter the anti-Obama health care 'bag rallies because ...
Obama's plan sucks. Progressives know all Americans should have affordable care without providing
profits for the one percenters. |
Response to Zalatix (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:40 PM
REP (21,691 posts)
10. Why do you think that's so?
You must have a theory, right?
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Response to REP (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:40 PM
Zalatix (8,994 posts)
11. I wish I did. We should have been out there
screaming not just for the Public Option, but for Medicare for All.
There were hundreds of thousands of people in Wisconsin. Perhaps a million Occupiers. Why didn't they protest in 2009? I don't know. |