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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGeorge Will: Women in combat ‘dumbing down the standards’ because of ‘anatomical facts’
By David Edwards
Sunday, January 27, 2013 15:04 EST
Conservative columnist George Will on Sunday argued that women should not be allowed in combat because of certain anatomical facts, ignoring that ABC Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent Martha Raddatz had pointed out that she interviewed female service members who were capable of carrying 6-foot, 4-inch Marines.
Appearing on an ABC News panel, Will told Raddatz that the military was effectively lowering the bar by lifting the ban on women in combat, even though the Pentagon had said both men and women would be subjected to the same physical standards.
Thats what they always say, Will opined. Let me give you an example. No Child Left Behind said were going to have 100 percent proficiency by 2014 in reading and math in the schools. And the scary thing is we might because the only way well get there is because is by dumbing down the standards, which is actually underway. The question is, will we change the physical fitness requirements so that we dont have a disparate impact? Are we going to gender norm the requirements?
Give you an example, youve been out, Martha, in these combat zones? he continued. Youre a 6-foot, 4-inch, 240-pound Marine and youre injured and you need the Marine next to you to carry you back to safety, and the Marine next to you is 5-foot woman who weighs 115 pounds. Its relevant.
Okay, can I tell you something, though, George, Raddatz interrupted. Ive met a lot of combat medics who are women, who rappel down, who pick up big 6-foot, 4-inch Marines and take them to safety. I just interviewed a woman
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/27/george-will-women-in-combat-dumbing-down-the-standards-because-of-anatomical-facts/
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)no mention of military service. So, I would guess he's another, "send YOUR son/brother/husband to war but not me" type of guy. I didn't realize he's 71 years old...and has a degree in Religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will
stultusporcos
(327 posts)of the Lay-Z-Boy Division in the Chickhawk Brigade.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)that standards will not be dumbed down.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)Rolling out the Jessica Lynch story 24/7.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)to be in combat. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But, many men 25% don't make it. It might end up being less than half women making it, we won't know until a lot more women try to get into combat roles.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)but never understood what that actually meant.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)She can deadlift 275 and benchpress 300. In October, she set two world records in two days. I cannot begin to imagine what she could do in an adrenalized situation.
rocktivity
(44,574 posts)Of Standard Journalism
rocktivity
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Keyboard commandos? I remember the exact same arguments when women joined police forces and fire Units.
Before anybody says it at one point I could lift 200 pounds of dead weight.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)She was an exemplary soldier during her time in the military, served her country well, and you've just insulted a decorated soldier.
Are you repukes EVER going to learn to stop hating women, or is the crazy gone just too far?
KansDem
(28,498 posts)If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.
Address, "Renewing American Civilization," Reinhardt College (7 January 1995)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)All they do is sit.
July
(4,750 posts)What in HELL do you know about ditches, combat, female infections, or hunting giraffes?
And are the "infections" you mention in the context of 30-days-in-a-ditch a little thing called menstruation, which women have dealt with for millennia?
Best wishes that you will STFU,
Women Living in Reality
Lex
(34,108 posts)and the integration of our armed forces. Asshole.
asjr
(10,479 posts)Nine
(1,741 posts)Why should anyone care what this asshole says?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Barbara Buttrick fought bare-knuckled in the street, took on allcomers, drunk or sober, in rustic fair booths, and then any opponent she could find when forced to move to the United States to turn professional. Even after becoming the first recognised womens world champion, she sought a further attainment. Successfully, too, for female boxing will finally become an Olympic sport next year. She will be 82 on Tuesday, stands barely 5 feet tall, and weighed only 98 pounds in her pomp . . .
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Paladin
(28,246 posts)We'll work on the 20th century when (and if) you're comfortable doing so.....
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)she put him in his place
randome
(34,845 posts)Another 'anatomical fact' for you, George: most women could wipe the floor with you.
Initech
(100,060 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's insane to base the physical requirements of the job of combat infantry (for example) on anything other than what is required to perform the necessary tasks. How the people being considered for the job happen to have their plumbing arranged should never even enter into the discussion. Let the task determine the requirements, period.
If it turns out that fewer women will be qualified than men for reasons of physical strength (for example), then so be it...as long as those women who do meet the standards can still serve.
obamanut2012
(26,065 posts)To do.
spanone
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yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)That is all.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)When was the last time George Will was right about anything?
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I think that's all the opposing army cares about.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)look at how the republicans have dumbed down their party
undeterred
(34,658 posts)His facts are a little sheltered.
sarisataka
(18,573 posts)For a while I was paired with a Marine who would have been 5' and 115 lbs if HE stood on a box and had rocks in his pack. Not I am less than 6'4" and 240 but quite larger than he was. I told him if wounded I could carry him in my pocket; he said he would drag my ass to the Battallion Aid Station.
We got along just fine...